@realDonaldTrump Canada NEVER belonged 2 USA-U said u <3 Canada-Forcefully take? We WILL NOT b ur 51st state PLS RT pic.twitter.com/e5cS4pc3T8
— Patricia Moon (@nobledreamer16) July 30, 2016
The Burrard Street Journal is reporting that
DONALD J. Trump believes the U.S. “should never have allowed” Canada to gain independence. The republican candidate for president freely admits to being “a little rusty” on Canadian history, but feels confident that the United States owned Canada “at some point”, and claims giving it back was a “major mistake”.
The former reality tv star was responding to a question about Puerto Rico possibly becoming the 51st of the United States, when he made the statement. “It used to be 51 you know, when we had Canada,” Trump said, pointing to an American flag, “Or 52 if you count Mexico which I never will, no matter how much they beg.”
The interviewer Brian Kilmeade, seemed unmoved by Trump’s remark and asked him to explain his understanding of Canadian/American history, as the Fox host began scribbling notes:
“I personally think it was the biggest mistake in American history, giving Canada back. Look at that place now, it’s falling to pieces. It’s overrun by godless, gunless hippies and it’s such a shame to see.”
As the host nodded along, Trump explained that America got a “terrible deal” with Canada who “stole” the land over a thousand years ago “or something like that”.
“It was a truly awful deal. Canada gets Toronto and Vancouver, which has the hottest women, and what did we get? Alaska? The Florida of Canada? Such a terrible deal.”
“Well what are you going to do if elected?” Kilmeade asked. “Forcefully take Canada and claim it as part of America?”
“I think that’s gotta be an option,” Trump responded. “You know, they’ve got a lot of oil up there, a lot.”
“I’m not sure there is any evidence to support this theory, Donald,” Kilmeade intervened. “I mean wasn’t Canada founded by Britain and France who invaded–” “No, are you kidding me?” Trump interrupted. “You think that either of those guys know the first thing about war? No Canada has belonged to America since Jesus’ time, and that’s a fact.”
Shortly after the controversial interview, Trump reiterated his stance towards Canada with a tweet that was deleted 20 minutes later, not before being retweeted over 6,000 times.
Isaac Brock Society is not a professional journal meant to meet any specific standard for the few, but a blog that expresses the views of many. I would think that’s its appeal.
I wonder if the criticism is based on anything more than preferring Trump to Clinton. Don’t worry, Clinton would not be spared any arrows either.
@PatCanadian, “Isaac Brock Society is a means of expression for many of us. Some of us need a good laugh now and then. Tolerance works wonders.”
Some of us at the expense of others? How tolerant is that.
Over the years there have been lots of things I could have said below the fold and never did. Why? It would have insulted others whose support is needed.
A laugh is never a good laugh when it risks creating divisions. This post was not a laugh it was divisive.
This NON-Canadian/NON-American has been supporting lawsuits to benefit CANADIANS not me or my family.
I doubt that this NON-Canadian ADCS donor is alone in being insulted.
ADCS for BOTH lawsuits as there are two legal paths by the same folks need everyone onboard.
I have always thought that a little levity is not a bad thing in a bad situation. And even though I feel George may possibly be being a bit grumpy here, I totally understand his point. The post would have to be considered obvious satire in most situations, but in the current climate, maybe not. Even some posters here thought it might be genuine. The problem is that there are groups like Occupy Democrats, and a half dozen others that are posting things nearly as outrageous and passing them off as fact. Their followers eat it up like candy. Even if one does not agree with their fiction, it can tend to stick in the back of one’s mind. I know propaganda is a regular tool in elections, but face it, this one is like none we’ve seen before. George’s point about the neocons is particularly valid. At the same time the Democrats have their followers almost chanting how Trump will likely start a war to scare them into lock step, their neocon in chief wants to engage Assad, and consequently Russia in open combat. Saying anything that somebody might accidentally lock onto as fact, should not be taken lightly. With the main stream media throwing daily fuel on the Trump hysteria bonfire, they probably don’t need our help.
Here, this might even things out:
The federal department in charge of creating a single email-system for the Government of Canada is turning to US Presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton after the project facing further delays with the roll out.
Shared Services Canada (SSC), which had planned for the Email Transformation Initiative (ETI) to be completed by March 2015, confirmed that they have made a formal request to the Democratic presumptive presidential nominee to help them complete the project which has been beset by numerous issues from its inception.
“We consider Ms. Clinton to the world’s authority on running email servers,” Shared Services president Ron Parker told reporters. “As you’re all aware, we’re in a bit of a difficult situation right now, and we believe that Ms. Clinton, just like her husband Bill, has a ton of experience being in, and getting out of, difficult situations.”
Ms. Clinton, who just today nominated US senator from Virginia Tim Kaine as her running mate, expressed her confidence in being able to fix the email problems facing the Government of Canada.
“I successfully managed the migration of @state.gov emails to @clintonemail.com as Secretary of State,” Ms. Clinton told reporters. “And before that, as first lady, I oversaw the move from @president.gov to @presidentclinton.com.”
“The state.gov transition went so smooth, people didn’t even realize that I had done it until many years later,” Ms. Clinton added.
SSC was set up by former Prime Minister Stephen Harper in 2011 to consolidate the supply of email, data centre and network services to partner organizations in consolidate and standardized manner.
According SSC website, the email transformation initiative aims to migrate 43 Government of Canada partner departments and agencies from numerous email services to your.email@canada.ca, “a common, modern, consolidated, secure, more reliable and more cost-effective email system.”
http://thedime.ca/2016/07/canadian-government-turns-to-clinton-to-rescue-failing-email-project/
@ Bubblebustin
Dare I laugh? No, really … dare I? 🙂 Oh nos … I did!
@ George
I have so much admiration for you and your integrity, it almost hurts. If you do contact the mods tomorrow, it would please me because I don’t feel they or I have your correct current email address as I have been unable to contact you when you have requested that I do. Which I want to and have attempted to do.
I feel the need to publicly acknowledge your personal support, financial and otherwise. I am grateful to all who have supported us through our fundraising years, but you have provided much more than that to this particular plaintiff, and always just when I needed it. You have no idea how many down moments you have gotten me through just from your wisdom and words, so generously and gently offered.
You are my definition of a true gentleman. The USA lost you, to the benefit of the U.K.
I selfishly wish you lived in Canada.
@ProudAussie, as a proud Australian there is something deeper.
Patricia Moon is NOT @Bubblebustin posting comments below the fold. Patricia Moon is NOT @Eric posting above the fold.
Patricia Moon IS an Officer for ADCS, an organization raising money and through a sister organization raising money for US Litigation.
Patricia Moon decided to be “silly” on IBS because the countdown meter to raise funds for a CANADIAN lawsuit formerly running at IBS by begging from NON-Canadians was not a requirement at the moment. I think raising money and needing money to pay lawyers keeps your thinking sober.
Putting this RUBBISH on IBS under the authorship of an officer at ADCS which is dependent on funds from NON-CANADIANS has left me wondering how serious is ADCS?
Maybe Patricia Moon would have thought more if ADCS was not out begging from NON-CANADIANS to fund a Canadian lawsuit.
The next round of begging is going to likely be a lot tougher for ADCS and this post and no doubt more to come in the next 100 days will not be helpful.
Oh, excuse some of my satire…hah hah
PS. I know too well the cost of the checks written by the neocons.
News reporting today being so full of inaccuracies, fabrications and plain old lies, one tires of having to always be on guard against being misinformed.
Reporting of our issues inparticular is horribly inaccurate. One of the reasons this site is so valuable to so many is that it has been a very solid and reliable source of information and fact. Our situations are so far out of what we thought was reality that only those in it have the ability to believe it.
For those of us who are still USCs, the fact that we have none of the legally protected rights we learned about in school, and for those of us finding out that not only does a foreign government claim them as a citizen but that our own governments agree, our situations being so far removed from what is commonly held as true, nothing is impossible to believe as true. What is satire and what is the next chapter in this horrid tale are next to impossible to discern.
I’m a proud Aussie, but not totally insulated, I have donated to both funds, and will continue to do so.
And you may get angry at me for this, but I think Tricia is an excellent representative, and I’m more likely to donate because of her involvement, than abstain because of an errant bad joke.
@George
As Bubblebustin says, “Isaac Brock Society is not a professional journal meant to meet any specific standard for the few, but a blog that expresses the views of many. I would think that’s its appeal.”
I agree and repeat, “Tolerance works wonders.” There have been a certain things published here that I wouldn’t agree with but I do agree with the general principles on Brock and ADCS. As well, I’ve been a regular contributor with no regrets.
I love good satire, and this site can sometimes drown in its own anger, but I have to agree with those saying that this post was in poor taste. This could have easily been mitigated with a clear note at the very end that said, “This posting is satirical”. Don’t make us click on the poll to figure it out.
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had to bark at and calm down people online whose heads were exploding in response to some fake, so-called satirical “news”.
I’d rather this site tread very carefully when posting satire.
For the record, I’ve donated to both AD lawsuits. I’m delighted to see the new one nearly funded.
@George
I did not put this post up because of a lack of thermometer. You are making this about your donations for a reason I don’t understand. I give nearly all of my time to this cause. I don’t take a dime. If I make a mistake, well, it’s because I am not perfect. And the post is in no way meant to promote Hillary Clinton who I find equally if not more revolting. I am sorry you are so offended.
There have been no requests for money for ADCT on Brock. Given we have bent over backwards NOT to do that, your comment about ADCT is unfair. I don’t appreciate it.
@Japan T
‘ for those of us finding out that not only does a foreign government claim them as a citizen but that our own governments agree, our situations being so far removed from what is commonly held as true, nothing is impossible to believe as true. What is satire and what is the next chapter in this horrid tale are next to impossible to discern.’
Truth. This prelude to the US election has been particularly divisive that many expect that anything more absurd than the last reported event can and will happen. I have no dog in the fight, except to the extent any of us around the world do, and I cannot wait until it is over.
I believe in the sovereignty of nations, so I remain an observer just as I was with the Brexit vote. During each process, best if I keep my thoughts to myself during the run up since no one has sent me a ballot vote ( even though I don’t have the official CLN). I only vote in Canadian elections as that is my sole allegiance. And frankly, I am not too fond of US policies as you may have noticed.
I have observed that elections, especially this one, have highlighted the deepest divisions in some time. Eventually, the dust will settle just as it will at Brock. We have more to gain from our allegiance with each other, while we may not always be ad idem.
@ George
I have so much admiration for you and your integrity, it almost hurts.
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I see that was awkwardly worded. In no way did I mean your comments tonight hurt me. Excuse my clumsy way of saying that so much of what you have expressed has resonated with me including tonight and given me pause.Unfortunately my legal training often precludes me from expressing myself well in ‘normal ‘speak. I am working on that.
My view of Trump and his supporters are they are not our friends but they can on occasion be our “useful idiots.” The problem is most homelander Americans even those who support our cause don’t really understand the full implications of an ADCS victory. While someone like Jim Bopp might be against FATCA is Bopp as a “conservative” lawyer really going to enjoy Joe Arvay trying to take down the Lotus case in front of the Supreme Court of Canada. (The “Lotus Case” being a pillar of international law since the 1920s and prized by many American conservative legal scholars for decades as foundational principle of American national and legal sovereignty).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_case
I will also add I have told pro FATCAites and FATCA sympathizers(Jack Townsend, Steve Mopsick, Michael Kirsch, Peter Spiro, Julian Ku etc) for years that would best advised to come to some type of compromise at the very least with people like Canadian Ginny without absolutely no US ties of any sort rather than go forward to a very bitter and nasty legal confrontation in front of non US constitutions courts(like SC of Canada) that could have lasting implications on wide swaths of international well beyond CBT and FATCA over the course of the rest of 21st Century. To date they have not listened to my warnings.
I fail to see why it is funny that Trump believes that Canada once belonged to the USA. I mean for crying out loud, what do Americans learn in school? They also probably think that they won the War of 1812:
Harvard is the brightest and best:
@Trish
Hey duck’s back, water, etc. I’m sure you’ll recover from today’s rants. I was in public speaking for 35 years and was chewed out for using
humour all the time. Too much crabbiness out there and politics is largely to blame.
Just joined Southwestern Credit Union in Sarnia-Lambton area of Ontario.
Not one question on birthplace or citizenship. They took my 25 bucks and all but broke out the champagne. Happy day!
Sorry, that’s Southwest Regional Credit union in the Sarnia area
Here is the CRA-IRS merger post that is referred to in a comment above:
http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2012/03/09/shulman-and-flaherty-summit-ends-irs-and-cra-to-merge/
In a different context, I once crafted an elaborate and blatant spoof. From that effort I learned that the early 21st century is replete with tedious literalists who have no capacity to step outside the box and assess any information that could rattle their foolish frames. Were I supreme judge of the present appalling polity, every outrighteous offended would be sentenced to incorporate the entire corpus of Jonathan Swift and then to stand for detailed examination forevermore.
And I hope nobody was worried about Santa Claus. Two years later they dropped all charges:
http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2013/12/24/santa-clause-arrested-on-christmas-eve-from-the-archives/
War of 1812 Song…very inspirational at this point in time.
Thanks Petros.
I will also add that I happen to know that Bubblebustin is a big fan of the new BC foreign property tax in Vancouver. However, prominent Canadian Constitutional lawyer Rocco Galati is planning a section 15 Constitutional challenge based on very similar grounds as the Arvay/ADCS lawsuit. The quotes from Galati sound very familiar in addition to the fact that Galati is no fan of Donald Trump.
http://vancouversun.com/news/national/b-c-property-law-vulnerable-to-challenge-says-constitutional-law-expert
Another note I wonder how many BC based Brockers are going to enjoy seeing the very same ADCS Section 15 arguments being thrown up in different circumstances to fight a policy that is VERY popular with “homelanders Canadians”.