By which of course I’m referring to Vietnam, where media reports state that 1,077 people renounced Vietnamese citizenship during the first quarter of 2017, while by counting notices in the official gazette I came up with a somewhat higher figure of 1,382. Since Vietnam’s population is roughly 92.7 million, I guess we can say, using FATCA-natics’ logic, that 92,698,618 people chose not to renounce their citizenship and so Vietnam is 99.999% perfect, right?
Sarcasm aside, Vietnamese nationality law and bureaucracy have several praiseworthy aspects. First, there are a few provisions which try to prevent “accidental citizenship”, meaning that some of the diaspora can avoid going through renunciation procedures in the first place (though as one case from the United Kingdom demonstrates, these provisions haven’t always worked very well). They even issue certificates of non-citizenship to people who never had Vietnamese nationality but need to convince other disbelieving governments or private institutions of that fact.
For those who do need to renounce, Vietnam does things relatively efficiently. The Vietnamese embassy in DC says that they accept renunciation forms by mail. The law requires them to respond to an application for renunciation within 60 working days. And the Vietnamese government managed to issue a press release about their Q1 renunciation statistics less than four weeks after the end of the quarter.
In contrast, the U.S. State Department’s unilateral demand for in-person renunciation appointments, and strict rationing of those appointments, makes the waiting list ten months long in some places. You might wait more than a year after that to get your Certificate of Loss of Nationality. They certainly don’t issue certificates of non-citizenship. And while 26 USC § 6039G(d) requires the U.S. government to publish a list of renunciants within 30 days after the end of each quarter, there was nothing relevant in Friday’s Federal Register and nothing scheduled for Monday’s either.
Table of contents
- Detailed statistics by country
- Privacy vs. transparency
- Renunciation fees and timeline
- Avoiding accidental citizenship for emigrants’ kids
- But not consistently for emigrants themselves
- Pham v Secretary of State for the Home Department
- Certificates of non-citizenship
- Conclusion
Detailed statistics by country
Article 40, Paragraph 5 of Vietnam’s 2008 Nationality Law (Law 24/2008/QH-12) requires the Office of the President to publish all decisions on naturalisation, restoration, and renunciation of Vietnamese nationality in the official gazette.
The official gazette says that almost all of these ex-Vietnamese renunciants reside in countries like Germany, Singapore, and South Korea where applicants for naturalisation generally are not allowed to retain their previous citizenships. That is to say, they were renouncing citizenship in order to get on with their lives in the countries where they actually live.
Only four Vietnamese people in the United States renounced their Vietnamese citizenship — because U.S. lawmakers explicitly rejected the idea of requiring immigrants to get a certificate of release from their previous citizenship, and Vietnam doesn’t block them from getting on with their lives if they don’t get such a certificate (after all, Vietnam abolished citizenship-based taxation back in 2008).
Country or territory of residence |
Count of renunciants | Renunciation notice citation (xx/QĐ-CTN) and date of publication |
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Total | By birthplace | ||||
Vietnam | Residence country | Else- where |
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Taiwan | 541 | 541 | 0 | 0 | 556 (31 Mar) |
Germany | 486 | 272 | 212 | 2 | 29 & 32 (24 Jan), 82 & 84 (29 Jan), 310 & 316 (28 Feb), 384 & 386 (12 Mar), 554 (31 Mar) |
Singapore | 112 | 110 | 1 | 1 | 555 (31 Mar) |
South Korea | 77 | 70 | 7 | 0 | 26 (25 Jan), 27 (24 Jan), 81 (29 Jan), 547 (31 Mar) |
Norway | 57 | 57 | 0 | 0 | 28 & 36 (24 Jan), 311 (28 Feb), 549 (31 Mar) |
Japan | 43 | 19 | 24 | 0 | 34 (24 Jan), 91 & 92 (29 Jan), 309 (28 Feb), 383 & 388 (12 Mar), 548 & 550 (31 Mar) |
Austria | 14 | 8 | 4 | 2 | 31 (24 Jan), 385 (12 Mar), 551 (31 Mar) |
Hong Kong and Macau | 15 | 14 | 1 | 0 | 308 (28 Feb), 312 (28 Feb), 387 (12 Mar) |
Netherlands | 8 | 6 | 0 | 2 | 315 (28 Feb), 381 (12 Mar) |
Laos | 7 | 1 | 6 | 0 | 35 (24 Jan), 89 & 90 (29 Jan) |
Vietnam | 6 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 33 (24 Jan), 76 (27 Jan), 379 (12 Mar), 552 and 558 (31 Mar) |
Russia | 5 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 30 (24 Jan), 314 (28 Feb), 553 (31 Mar) |
United States | 4 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 382 (12 Mar), 556 (31 Mar) |
Lithuania | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 83 (29 Jan) |
Bulgaria | 3 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 380 (12 Mar) |
Australia | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 313 (28 Feb) |
Sweden | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 80 (29 Jan) |
Total | 1,382 | 1,115 | 260 | 7 |
Privacy vs. transparency
If you click through to some of the Vietnamese gazette notices linked above, you’ll see that they include not just the name but the birth date, birthplace, and current address of the person in question. Other countries, such as South Korea, publish a similar level of detail. This is done for the purpose of transparency — it allows everyone to see that the government is not arbitrarily depriving people of nationality, nor handing out naturalisation to people who don’t qualify for it.
Publishing this level of detail may violate the privacy of the individuals involved, but it also lets the public come to its own conclusion about who they are. Are these Vietnamese emigrants actually “selfish traitors fleeing to tax havens to avoid paying their fair share”? Well, pretty clearly not: most of them live in Germany and Taiwan, while only four live in the world’s best tax haven. The Vietnamese renunciants living here in the much smaller and less secretive tax haven of Hong Kong clearly aren’t wealthy either: their addresses are in suburban public housing estates or poor urban areas, not swanky Mid-Levels harbourview apartments.
In contrast, the U.S. Congress’ decision to demand that the IRS begin publishing the names of renunciants in 1995 was driven not by transparency but by the desire to shame renunciants publicly, and hence the Federal Register includes only enough information to titillate, not to inform. So when political hacks in Congress and the media spread lies that emigrants are wealthy traitors fleeing to golf courses in Bermuda in order to evade taxes, there’s no data to contradict them.
Renunciation fees and timeline
Update, 3 May 2017: better source for the renunciation fee
According to Joint Circular 08/1998/TTLT-BTC-BTP-BNG, issued by the Ministry of Finance, the Ministry of Justice, and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs on 31 December 1998, people renouncing Vietnamese citizenship have to pay a fee of VND 2.5 million, divided into VND 2 million for processing the renunciation paperwork and VND 500,000 for issuing the proof of loss of nationality. This was about US$180 at the exchange rates back then, and US$110 at current rates — a rather high fee for a not-very-rich country. As such, it continues to prompt negative mentions in the media decades after it was implemented, for example in this Voice of America article last year. Oddly enough, that article failed to mention the State Department’s own fee of $2,350 for Americans seeking to exercise their human right to change nationality.
The fee may be high, but in Vietnam you at least get a legally-mandated level of service in exchange: Article 29 of the 2008 nationality law commits to a detailed timeline for the processing of renunciation applications. For those renouncing from within Vietnam the paperwork seems to have to go through more bureaucratic hands, but from abroad it’s much simpler: the consulate has 20 working days to review the file and send it to the Ministry of Justice, which then has another 20 days to forward it to the President’s office for signature, which then has 20 days to review the decision.
In contrast, a U.S. court has implicitly opined (albeit in dicta in a 1481(a)(6) jailhouse renunciant case) that even a four-year delay wouldn’t be unreasonable. Keene v. U.S. Dep’t of Homeland Security, Case No. 3:16cv94/LC/CJK (N.D. Fla., 2016):
Even assuming, without deciding, that DHS has a ministerial duty to respond to plaintiff’s request to renounce his citizenship, see, e.g., Turner v. Beers, 5 F.Supp.3d 115, 119 (D.D.C. 2013) (citing cases from that court holding that the only ministerial duty DHS owes to prisoners seeking to renounce their citizenship is to respond to their requests), plaintiff has no clear right to a response at this time. There is no statute or regulation specifying a time frame for response to a request for voluntary expatriation. Plaintiff’s pleadings (doc. 1) indicate that his requests have been pending only six months. Even assuming arguendo that DHS must adjudicate applications in a reasonable time, “[w]hether a passage of time is ‘reasonable’ is itself a subjective, merits-based determination, not a ‘clear right.'” Orabi v. Chertoff, 562 F.Supp.2d 1377, 1383 (N.D. Ga. 2007) … There is no indication in this case that DHS has refused to review plaintiff’s request.
In Orabi, District Judge Jack T. Camp ruled that three-and-a-half years with no end in sight is a perfectly reasonable speed for government work:
In the absence of Eleventh Circuit authority on this issue and no clear trend among district courts, the Court finds the approach set out in Safadi persuasive and adopts it. There is no indication in this case that Defendants have refused to act. Cf. Safadi, 466 F.Supp.2d [696] at 700 (jurisdiction may exist “where USCIS refused altogether to process an adjustment application or where the delay was so unreasonable as to be tantamount to a refusal to process the application.”). Rather, it appears that only Saadi’s FBI name check remains pending. The approximately three-and-a-half-year delay that has elapsed while CIS awaits Saadi’s FBI name check does not, standing alone, rise to the level of an unreasonable delay. Cf Grinberg [v. Swacina] 478 F.Supp.2d [1350] at 1354; Safadi [v. Howard], 466 F.Supp.2d at 700-01. Therefore, pursuant to § 1252(a)(2)(B)(ii), the Court lacks subject matter jurisdiction over this case.
The earliest case cited, Safadi, ultimately said that a four-year delay in processing an adjustment-of-status case, due to the same tardiness in conducting FBI name checks at issue in Orabi, was justifiable on national security grounds. (Ironically, USCIS realised last November that their Electronic Immigration System, “ELIS” for short, often failed to conduct those FBI name checks in the first place, and that as many as 20,000 green cards might have been issued in error. This earned USCIS a rebuke from the House Judiciary Committee, and ultimately led DHS to recommend that ELIS be shut down, as a recent Fiscal Times article discussed).
Of course, no non-citizen has a right to a green card or naturalisation, and Congress has specifically provided that decisions of USCIS in this regard are unreviewable (8 USC § 1252(a)(2)(B)). In contrast, when it comes to the right of citizens to renounce, the Expatriation Act of 1868 explicitly states that “that any declaration, instruction, opinion, order, or decision of any officers of this government which restricts, impairs, or questions the right of expatriation, is hereby declared inconsistent with the fundamental principles of this government” — but I guess that’s a dead letter anyway.
Avoiding accidental citizenship for emigrants’ kids
Article 2 of the original North Vietnamese nationality law (Edict No. 53 of 20 October 1945) provided for unlimited jus sanguinis along the paternal line. Article 6, Paragraph 3 of the 1988 nationality law (Law of 28 June 1988) changed this to allow children to inherit Vietnamese citizenship from either parent, but introduced the principle that in a mixed-nationality marriage the parents rather than the State had the right to choose the nationality of the child; if the child was born outside of Vietnam and the non-Vietnamese parent did not give their written agreement, the child would not inherit Vietnamese citizenship.
Even after Vietnam began its attempt to impose citizenship-based taxation in 1991, they did not turn to playing tricks with the nationality law to create a bunch of accidental citizens; Article 17, Paragraph 2 of the 1998 nationality law (Law 07/1998/QH-10) retained the principle of letting parents choose their child’s nationality. This continues in the 2008 nationality law, which states:
Điều 16. Quốc tịch của trẻ em khi sinh ra có cha hoặc mẹ là công dân Việt Nam |
Article 16. Nationality of a child who, when born, has a father or mother who is a citizen of Vietnam |
1. Trẻ em sinh ra trong hoặc ngoài lãnh thổ Việt Nam mà khi sinh ra có cha hoặc mẹ là công dân Việt Nam còn người kia là người không quốc tịch hoặc có mẹ là công dân Việt Nam còn cha không rõ là ai thì có quốc tịch Việt Nam. | 1. A child born inside or outside the territory of Vietnam who, when born, has a father or mother who is a citizen of Vietnam while the other person is a stateless person, or has a mother who is a citizen of Vietnam while the father is unknown, shall have the nationality of Vietnam. |
2. Trẻ em khi sinh ra có cha hoặc mẹ là công dân Việt Nam còn người kia là công dân nước ngoài thì có quốc tịch Việt Nam, nếu có sự thỏa thuận bằng văn bản của cha mẹ vào thời điểm đăng ký khai sinh cho con. Trường hợp trẻ em được sinh ra trên lãnh thổ Việt Nam mà cha mẹ không thỏa thuận được việc lựa chọn quốc tịch cho con thì trẻ em đó có quốc tịch Việt Nam. | 2. A child who, when born, has a father or mother who is a citizen of Vietnam while the other person is a citizen of a foreign country, shall have the nationality of Vietnam, if there is written agreement by the father and mother at the time of birth registration for the child. In the case of a child born on the territory of Vietnam whose mother and father do not agree with regards to the choice of nationality for the child, then the child shall have the nationality of Vietnam. |
But not consistently for emigrants themselves
Unfortunately, while Vietnamese law has prevented accidental citizenship at birth in the case of some emigrants’ children, it has not been consistent in preventing another kind of accidental citizenship: making it clear to people of Vietnamese origin who settled for a long time in a foreign country and naturalised there whether or not they would automatically lose their Vietnamese citizenship.
Article 7 of the 1945 law was quite clear on this point, but later laws were not: Article 3 of both the 1988 and 1998 laws stated that Vietnam only “recognises” (công nhận) one nationality for Vietnamese citizens. but it’s not clear whether this was intended to imply loss of Vietnamese citizenship when naturalising abroad or simply function as a restatement of the Master Nationality Rule. (Indeed, a similar clause in the Chinese nationality law is interpreted both ways simultaneously: to forbid dual nationality for citizens from mainland China, and to allow it for citizens from Hong Kong and Macau.)
Going in the opposite direction, Vietnam did not at first require immigrants to Vietnam to renounce their previous citizenships if they wanted to become Vietnamese either; neither the first naturalisation law (Edict No. 73 of 7 December 1945) nor the 1988 nationality law had any such requirement. Art. 20 Para. 3 of the 1998 law did require that immigrants to Vietnam renounce their previous citizenships if they wanted to become Vietnamese, but the 2008 law removed this requirement as part of its general acceptance of dual nationality.
Though the 2008 law fully legalised dual citizenship for both immigrants and emigrants, it also contained another provision which can be viewed as an effort to prevent accidental retention of citizenship by emigrants who weren’t really aware that they were keeping it:
Điều 3. Giải thích từ ngữ |
Article 3: Explanation of terms |
Trong Luật này, các từ ngữ dưới đây được hiểu như sau: | In this law, the terms below shall be given effect as follows: |
3. Người Việt Nam định cư ở nước ngoài là công dân Việt Nam và người gốc Việt Nam cư trú, sinh sống lâu dài ở nước ngoài. | 3. A “Vietnamese person settled abroad” is a citizen of Vietnam or a person of Vietnamese origin who resides or has permanent residence abroad. |
Điều 13. Người có quốc tịch Việt Nam |
Article 13: Persons who have the nationality of Vietnam |
2. Người Việt Nam định cư ở nước ngoài mà chưa mất quốc tịch Việt Nam theo quy định của pháp luật Việt Nam trước ngày Luật này có hiệu lực thì vẫn còn quốc tịch Việt Nam và trong thời hạn 5 năm, kể từ ngày Luật này có hiệu lực, phải đăng ký với cơ quan đại diện Việt Nam ở nước ngoài để giữ quốc tịch Việt Nam. | 2. A Vietnamese person settled abroad who has not yet lost the nationality of Vietnam in accord with the provisions of the laws of Vietnam before the day this law takes effect shall continue to have the nationality of Vietnam and within a time limit of five years, counted from the day this law takes effect, must register with a Vietnamese representative organ abroad in order to retain the nationality of Vietnam. |
Chính phủ quy định trình tự, thủ tục đăng ký giữ quốc tịch Việt Nam. | The government shall regulate the processes and procedures for registration to retain the nationality of Vietnam. |
Pham v Secretary of State for the Home Department
All of the ambiguity about dual citizenship in the 1988 and 1998 laws came to a head most famously not in a tax case but a terrorism one. A young man from Vietnam named Pham Minh Quang fled to Hong Kong in 1989 at age six with his family, resettled in the United Kingdom, became a British citizen, later converted to Islam and went to Yemen for training with Al Qaida, and was deprived of his British citizenship in December 2011 despite his claim (probably based on genuine belief) that he was no longer a Vietnamese citizen and so deprivation would make him stateless. The British government then tried deporting Pham to Vietnam, which refused to accept that he was a citizen either. The courts later affirmed the government’s view that Pham should have still been a citizen of Vietnam by operation of Vietnamese law on the day when he was stripped of British citizenship, and thus his denaturalisation was not barred on the grounds that it would have made him stateless: Pham v Secretary of State for the Home Department, [2015] UKSC 19.
One interesting aspect of Pham’s case: how it interacts with Art. 13 Para. 2 of the 2008 law. If Vietnam had set the time limit to three years rather than five years (as, for example, Article 150 of Paraguay’s constitution does — though that applies only to naturalised citizens), then Pham’s British citizenship could have been saved. In any case, assuming that he was still a Vietnamese citizen and did not register, Art. 13 Para. 2 would have deprived him (and probably millions of other members of the diaspora) of Vietnamese citizenship anyway in 2013, leaving him genuinely stateless. A cynic might even argue that the Vietnamese government was waiting for this to happen before repealing Art. 13 Para. 2, which they finally did with Law 56/2014/QH13. In an odd way, this is probably the nicest thing the SRVN government has ever done for all the ARVN veterans and their kids: putting even more barriers in the way of their deportation from the countries where they have settled. It’s a win-win to which neither side will admit.
After his deprivation of British citizenship, Pham was extradited to the United States, where he pleaded guilty to terrorism-related charges and was sentenced to 40 years in prison. Four decades hence, I will be curious to see — assuming that I have not succumbed to Alzheimer’s or a U.S. drone strike before then — whether the U.S. has any more success than the U.K. did at deporting Pham to Vietnam. An agreement from the reign of Bush the Lesser makes it rather difficult for the U.S. to get Vietnam to accept people like Pham who fled from communism in the 1970s and 1980s, though none of its provisions exactly apply to him.
Quite a few Republicans in Washington are dissatisfied with this agreement and the general posture of the Vietnamese government. In particular, Ted Poe (R-TX-2) has even sponsored several bills to halt visa issuance to citizens of countries which don’t take back deportees (e.g. H.R. 3256 in 2011), though more recently he’s softened his stance to stop only diplomatic visa issuance while leaving students and immigrants alone. In any case, Poe specifically mentioned as justification for his bills a Vietnamese man who came to the U.S. in the 1980s, was supposed to have been deported in 2006, but was instead released until his re-arrest in 2012 on murder charges.
Certificates of non-citizenship
A few years ago, Victoria asked:
[V]ery much in line with a question someone asked me to consider recently: How does one prove that one is NOT a citizen? A CLN is for those who once had it, right? A CNF (French nationality certificate) is to demonstrate that one has citizenship?
So what kind of document can one get or ask for that says, I am a citizen of X and/or Y – I am not a citizen of any other country. Maybe we could ask the UN to come up something? A certified Universal Citizenship Certificate, perhaps?
Well, I’ve finally stumbled across an answer for one country. In April 1999, Vietnam’s Ministry of Justice issued Circular 09/1999/TT-BTP, announcing the procedures for applying for a certificate that you do not have Vietnamese nationality. You can only apply for one if you’ve previously resided in Vietnam for at least six months, but it’s better than what the U.S. gives out — no proof at all.
I don’t see any particular provisions in the 1998 nationality law which would require the Vietnamese government to issue such certificates. I guess there’s general authority to issue such certificates under Art. 35 Para. 3 and Art. 36 Para. 3, which respectively give municipal governments and overseas diplomatic missions the power to “review and issue documents certifying the possession of the nationality of Vietnam and documents confirming the loss of the nationality of Vietnam” (Xét và cấp Giấy chứng nhận có quốc tịch Việt Nam, Giấy xác nhận mất quốc tịch Việt Nam), but that doesn’t really require such certificates. It seems like the bureaucracy just kind of decided on their own that this would be a good idea.
Conclusion
Well, I got angry at some throwaway comment at a Congressional hearing, and when I get angry I write a few thousand words. Thanks to the coincidental timing of a newspaper article about Vietnamese renunciation statistics, those few thousand words ended up being about Vietnam. And so I’ve gone rather far afield from the usual subject area of the Isaac Brock Society.
Or maybe not that far: after all, we have some readers who moved to Canada specifically in order to avoid being sent to Vietnam. Four decades after that undeclared war on Vietnamese soil, the Vietnamese at home have largely forgiven their diaspora and are trying to resolve their nationality issues, even if that means “losing” them to the other country in which they actually live (and even if the older diaspora are much less forgiving in return, burdened with the feeling that they lost their homeland to communism). Hence a three-month time limit on issuing renunciation certificates, no jus sanguinis without consent for mixed nationality couples, and no citizenship-based taxation. Granted, Vietnam isn’t doing everything perfectly, but it’s not doing so badly either.
Meanwhile, the U.S. has FATCA and the rest of the alphabet soup of the “Internal” Revenue Code, a $2,350 renunciation fee, and ten-month appointment backlogs. And they’re still enforcing their visa ban on deserters from that war that wasn’t even fought on their own soil. Whatever else you may think about Vietnam’s current government, this is a rather poignant demonstration of one very simple fact: it doesn’t require a great deal of resources for a government to avoid putting unnecessary barriers in the way of their diaspora.
USC renunciations in 2016 (official figure) : 5411
US population : ~320 million
So 1 renunciation per ~59400 citizens. The same figure for Vietnam : 1 per ~67000 citizens.
So the USA is the ‘best’! Congratulations USA! Those high fees aren’t stopping patriotic US citizens from showing Vietnam how it’s done.
But wait! The above calculation is using the lowball figures from the Federal Register. World leading, and modest too!
I tried to find statistics on per capita renunciations for all countries, but couldn’t find anything definitive.
In Taiwan, the vast majority of Vietnamese immigrants come here as “foreign brides.” Taiwan law required such immigrants to show proof that.they have renounced their previous citizenship. (Exceptions are made for so-called. “Super-foreigners” such as high-worth business people or basketball players, and Taiwan citizens may have as many overseas citizenship as they like and can obtain.) In the past, there have been problems with statelessness, e.g. in the case of a Vietnamese woman who was stripped of her new Taiwan citizenship for adultery (which is a crime here–a new immigrant has to have ” good morals” for the next five years). So Vietnam changed its law to allow it’s enunciates to reclaim Vietnamese citizenship. I guess that now means they can all renounce, wait until they get Taiwan citizenship, and then reapply.
It is interesting that ‘accidental citizenship’ is still possible in the US. I would think that the US would want to ramp that down quickly. First, there are the dreamers and others born from the disparagingly called ‘illegals.’ Yes, there are many who want to be Americans. Secondly, there may be bad people who were born accidental citizens, and now wish the country harm. Maybe we should campaign on something like, ‘prove you want to be a citizen!’ instead of ‘you are one, like it or not!
The U.S. Government has been in the hands of the Democrats so long it became the party of Government, much as the Soviets had the Communists as the party of Government. How this happened is no very funny. Before the Civil Service Act was passed, each time the people threw the last party out, the new incoming party brought all their own workers to take the jobs. They civil service act was passed by democrats while their workers had all the Federal Jobs. They got the promotions and have passed judgement on any new hires and their judgement is you must be a democrat in order to qualify, for a job.
The people threw the democrats out, over the last 6 years, but the aparachek is more than 95% democrat and they will slow walk any request they don’t like, example; conservative groups applied for non taxable status so they could collect money and workers for republican candidates. They slow walked them to the extent that some have been not been approved in 5 years. They were not rejected but not approved.
If we are to keep a Republic we have to rid ourselves of a ”Party Of Government” and go back to letting the incoming party not only govern, but have workers, who won’t work against the will of the people.
Giving up your citizenship is something they don’t like because they are in The Workers Paradice,.
Created by them, for them, and of them, so don’t ask them to serve anyone but them.
@Wilton
I can’t believe I’m wasting ten minutes on a Sunday night, but oh well.
The Civil Service Act was passed in 1883. I did some quick counting based on Wikipedia’s useful colour-coded charts. (Numbers may not be 100 percent accurate but close enough.)
Presidency since 1880:
Republican 72 years
Democrat 64 years
Senate majority since 1906:
Republican 40 years
Democrat 70 years
House majority since 1896:
Republican 48 years
Democrat 72 years
In other words, no, Democrats have not run the US for the past century. No, Democrats are not Communists. (The reaction to and against Communism has had far greater impact on American society than actual Communism.)
Yes, you are actually quite batshit crazy. But your posts are great fun, so keep ’em coming. Just don’t forget to mention Karl Marx, the Constitution, and the Fair Tax, whatever that is. (Please explain.)
You are correct though, that a majority of federal civil servants would vote Democrat. Funnily enough, that’s also true for all voters in the last presidential election – a majority voted Democrat. Or at least that’s what the media wants you to believe, but we know the real story, don’t we? (And I wouldn’t trust Wikipedia to report the truth about all those elections a century ago – the Democrats probably stole them all!)
Funnily enough, the actual Marxists in Vietnam, who have got a genuine hammer-and-sickle on their party flag and actually control like 95% of their legislature, abandoned CBT in 2007. And their efforts at CBT were rather half-hearted in the first place (they never even got a saving clause into any of their tax treaties, whereas the decidedly non-Marxist Philippines did).
US homelanders like the ratio of immigrants to emigrants. Makes them feel less abusive.
The British Government and its courts have not infrequently differed from the position of foreign governments as to whether an individual has that other country’s nationality or not. Mahaboob Bibi v. Home Secretary, [1987] Imm. A.R. 340 comes to mind. There are numerous cases of former colonies and the outcome of many of these cases can sometimes, maybe often, be seen as racist. There once was a consular rule that a child born abroad to a British mother might be brought before the consul at the age of 5, whereupon the consul would decide if s/he was British, presumably by culture and language. In Département fédéral de justice et police v. Vilchez, Trib. féd., Cour de droit public, 29 June 1979, A.T.F., 105, 1979, Ib, p. 63, Clunet, 114.1987.674 a child was declared not be stateless, and therefore not entitled to Swiss nationality, on the basis that his parents could have, but did not, register the birth with the Peruvian consular section. (I could envisage this kind of case arising in relation to children born abroad to a US parent, not registered with a US consular section. But US nationality, if the facts are proven, can be affirmed anytime, even after death; the presumption of alienage upon birth abroad is subject to rebuttal.) As for Vietnamese (and certain other nationalities including Cuban, Cambodian and Laotian), the country of purported nationality — especially where the convict or illegal immigrant sought to be deported arrived as a child — often will not take the person back. They can’t be kept in prison indefinitely: https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/533/678/case.pdf There are lots of these cases: http://triblive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_729410.html
Yes, Britain considers an OCI (Overseas Citizen of India) “passport” to be a form of citizenship, while India does not (despite the name). (E.g. India generally disallows dual citizenship, but does not consider OCI status to be citizenship–the OCI can easily “upgrade” though , if they are willing to give up their other citizenships.)
According to a media summary of a speech by the Minister for Home Affairs, only 35 Tanzanians acquired other citizenships last year
http://allafrica.com/stories/201705090491.html
Assuming that statistic means they renounced Tanzanian citizenship, then by FATCA-natic logic Tanzania is 25x superior to the United States and 68x superior to Vietnam!! (Tanzania has a population of 51 million).
Can’t find a copy of the original speech, though, so I could be misinterpreting this
http://www.parliament.go.tz/budget-list