@realDonaldTrump Canada NEVER belonged 2 USA-U said u <3 Canada-Forcefully take? We WILL NOT b ur 51st state PLS RT pic.twitter.com/e5cS4pc3T8
— Patricia Moon (@nobledreamer16) July 30, 2016
The Burrard Street Journal is reporting that
DONALD J. Trump believes the U.S. “should never have allowed” Canada to gain independence. The republican candidate for president freely admits to being “a little rusty” on Canadian history, but feels confident that the United States owned Canada “at some point”, and claims giving it back was a “major mistake”.
The former reality tv star was responding to a question about Puerto Rico possibly becoming the 51st of the United States, when he made the statement. “It used to be 51 you know, when we had Canada,” Trump said, pointing to an American flag, “Or 52 if you count Mexico which I never will, no matter how much they beg.”
The interviewer Brian Kilmeade, seemed unmoved by Trump’s remark and asked him to explain his understanding of Canadian/American history, as the Fox host began scribbling notes:
“I personally think it was the biggest mistake in American history, giving Canada back. Look at that place now, it’s falling to pieces. It’s overrun by godless, gunless hippies and it’s such a shame to see.”
As the host nodded along, Trump explained that America got a “terrible deal” with Canada who “stole” the land over a thousand years ago “or something like that”.
“It was a truly awful deal. Canada gets Toronto and Vancouver, which has the hottest women, and what did we get? Alaska? The Florida of Canada? Such a terrible deal.”
“Well what are you going to do if elected?” Kilmeade asked. “Forcefully take Canada and claim it as part of America?”
“I think that’s gotta be an option,” Trump responded. “You know, they’ve got a lot of oil up there, a lot.”
“I’m not sure there is any evidence to support this theory, Donald,” Kilmeade intervened. “I mean wasn’t Canada founded by Britain and France who invaded–” “No, are you kidding me?” Trump interrupted. “You think that either of those guys know the first thing about war? No Canada has belonged to America since Jesus’ time, and that’s a fact.”
Shortly after the controversial interview, Trump reiterated his stance towards Canada with a tweet that was deleted 20 minutes later, not before being retweeted over 6,000 times.
Ironically, Donald Trump would appreciate the rejection of political correctness evident in the comments here.
@Tim
Point taken re 15% foreign purchaser tax for Vancouver real estate. Interestingly, another Brocker would like to see a total foreigner buyer ban.
I’m not sure how I feel about the tax at this point. If it’s found to be discriminatory then so be it. The Liberals would say they “had no choice” but to implement a totally made in Canada tax.
I would definitely be very against the new tax if it discriminated against Canadian citizens and permanent residents who happen to have another citizenship though.
@George: I’ve gone back and re-read your comments, and your concern about this post puzzles me.
Trump is portrayed as someone who doesn’t know Canadian history, thinks that Canada should never have been allowed to be independent, and should perhaps be annexed if he becomes president. It is all good fun.
How is that insulting Trump, I mean compared to the many more odious things that he has said he would do as President. He has said that the military will follow his orders to commit war crimes. Murdering non-belligerant family members of terrorists is a war crime.
So what exactly is the problem with a satirical post about Trump? Is it because we haven’t given equal time to Hillary’s sociopathy?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-terrorists_us_56e0d7cde4b065e2e3d4d82d
If it is just a question of even handed treatment of Hillary Clinton, that can be arranged.
@Petros, re: “@WhiteKat: I thought it was clearly because he likes Donald Trump.”
HaHaHa! This place is a laugh a minute.
BTW, have you been soaking up lots of UV rays this summer? I hear the ladies really like that tanned look. 😉
As others have said, it is hard for me to place my trust in current politicians of any stripe. Certainly Trudeau JR and his party let us down, yet there was a time when hope for change and support was pinned on him for some people. I can’t see either of the US presidential candidates coming through for us either at the end of the day.
I agree with Carol that Trish works her heart off; I agree with Carol that we need our own freedom from the USG.
I particularly agree with Tim that our recourse, however long it takes, lies with our Canadian courts.
Even at my age, I can afford to take the long view. It’s just my personal point of view that no party in the USA has any sincere interest in abandoning CBT, so I am not optimistic about the US legal case, but wish them luck. I wish any country or group of people success in taking this issue on, because if there is one issue that all of us here can agree on it’s that it isn’t easy, but very necessary. Some group will succeed, and since we are taking the first kick at the can, I hope it is us. Let’s remain united and focus on our common goal.
Our adversaries must be pleased that over the last hours we have moved away from our fixed goal. Personally for me it isn’t who is the next POTUS. It’s moving our Canadian case forward.
We are the only group that has moved this far towards the goalpost. This is where I have my dog in the fight and I need your support.
Can we please take the high road forward together?
Looks like Patricia gave this journalist an idea for a story, or one might think such story inevitable:
http://www.burrardstreetjournal.com/trump-canada-independence-was-mistake/
@Ginny says: “Can we please take the high road forward together?”
+1. IMO, to hell with the political parties– Cons, Libs, Dems, Repubs– none are standing up for us. Remedy will have to be found in court.
The high road of the courts!
Who is ‘us’?
@BlackKat – “Who is ‘us’?”
Good question. Those who stand to benefit if the court case succeeds?
If the case succeeds, presumably the Canadian IGA would have to be changed, or else struck down altogether.
Changes to the Canadian IGA could have wide impact, because all Model 1 countries could benefit.
If the Canadian IGA was struck down altogether, presumably only Canadians (and Canadian FIs) would be affected.
Ginny wrote: “Our adversaries must be pleased that over the last hours we have moved away from our fixed goal. Personally for me it isn’t who is the next POTUS. It’s moving our Canadian case forward.”
I am not sure how this post is in any way moving away from the goal. Indeed, the acknowledgement that Donald Trump is likely to disappoint certainly should help us to remain fixed on the only solutions that actually work: (1) The diligent application of Petros Principles; (2) the collective pooling of resources for the purpose of law suits.
Over the last few years where I have only been able to play a very limited role in this battle, I have come to esteem greatly those who have worked diligently on the front lines. I see nothing wrong with this post, but I have an issue with attacking our best people.
Other groups would suppress such comments. But Isaac Brock Society is a mostly uncensored forum and that has worked for us over the years, and it is part of our original raison d’etre. However, when the Isaac Brock Society and its writers are unfairly attacked, I feel it my duty to try to present an apologia–and I have done it multiple times in the past. Petros Principle 11 is an apologia for this post–and that is why I published it before Principle 10. I invite people, esp. George, to respond please.
I`m not going to read through 86 comments so excuse me if I repeat what somebody else might have said- but I think the real tragedy here is that it IS totally plausible that Trump could say something like this. He has said other things which were embarassing.
If he become president, it will be great grist for the comedy mill. But sadly, not everything he says is laughable.
If he becomes president, it will be great grist for the comedy mill. But sadly, not everything he says is laughable.
@Petros George was not attacking Trish personally in my opinion though I’ve no doubt she feels he was. It was the post he had an issue with and in particular that it was posted by an Alliance for the Defence of Canadian Sovereignty director. I suspect that if you had made that post, George likely would not have commented at all as he has been very quiet lately like many of the other nonAmericans who frequent the Sir Isaac Brock society.
@WhiteKat: Did I say he attacked anyone personally? But clearly an attack occurred against the poster of this post, for whatever reason. But what I do not understand is why anyone would do so over this post. Is it to defend the honour of Donald Trump? (LOL) To avoid division–as if there was any kind of unity over who should become president? I can see nothing wrong with this post in light of Brock’s history.
Also there were attacks against the post because it was going to detract from the credibility of Brock. Please.
@petros.
I feel that if we had read that post in any other context we would have seen the humour in it.
Past humerous posts on Brock have served to highlight our cause, they have been aimed at the absurdity and unfairness of the situation we have found ourselves in.
In my opinion, the post had no point except to highlight the absurdity of Trump. It does not serve to add to anything we have to say or help our common cause and in some respects it could confuse and discourage any newcomers. I admire Trish in every respect and feel that we should lay this chapter to rest.
@George
It is unfortunate that this post touched an angry nerve in you, making fun of the Republican nominee when the RNC platform calls for FATCA repeal & switch to RBT. I did not make that connection when I read the satirical article. I am not aware of Trump himself ever calling for FATCA repeal or switch to RBT. Does Trump even agree and/or get along with the RNC?
Someone who knows more about US politics than I do might answer this:
Do the Republicans not control Congress? If so, why has Congress not done more to follow the RNC platform of FATCA repeal & switch to RBT? (Because President Obama would veto it?)
George, your IBS comments & international donations to the ADCS are very much appreciated!
@Patricia Moon
All the hard work that you do is also very much appreciated!
I hope that the two of you can overcome this and move forward together.
@Heidi, the absurdity of Trump does seem to me to suggest that it would be misplaced to think that this particular narcissist is going to be the saviour of expats.
We have heard the newcomer discouragement argument since our inception. Somehow we are able to maintain a readership, and tamer sandboxes do exist.
@petros you are concerned about ‘attacks’ now after five years? Hmmmm…..I think you were sleeping when the real personal attacks were going on.
@WhiteKat, Honestly, I do not feel the need to do a personal apologia.
@ petros, I think George proved his point. This post, particularly since presented by an Alliance for the Defence of Canadian Sovereignty director (not just a Brock writer), was divisive. And we have enough problems trying to agree to, never mind focus on, our common goals. I understand better now why Keith Redmond does not allow such posts at AmericansAbroad – they cause division.
@WhiteKat, yeah, Homelanders abroad do not like it when the personality disorders of Homelanders are exposed. And Trump is a Homelander, par excellence.
@petros
Satire is a powerful tool when used wisely and for a purpose. What was he purpose of this post in respect of Brock ?
Keith Redmond moderates the American Expatriates Facebook group. He is allowed to make posts completely unrelated to Americans abroad because he moderates it.