Coincidentally, two separate news items which have the potential to collide in a very strange way came out on the same day here in Hong Kong. The bad news first:
Hong Kong and US sign tax information agreement
The Secretary for Financial Services and the Treasury, Professor K C Chan, signed today (March 25) in Hong Kong on behalf of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region Government an agreement with the United States of America (US) for exchange of information (EoI) relating to taxes. The Consul-General of the US to Hong Kong and Macau, Mr Clifford A Hart, Jr, signed on behalf of his Government.
The South China Morning Post cuts through all the government euphemisms in its headline: “Hong Kong agrees to hand over financial details of Americans working in city to US tax authorities”. However, this is not as bad as it sounds, for reasons I’ll discuss after the jump; the very existence of this TIEA, rather than jumping straight ahead to a FATCA IGA, has some interesting implications for Hong Kong and Beijing’s larger strategy towards FATCA.
In addition, there’s another seed of hope for “U.S. Persons” here who have the crazy idea that they deserve the same rights as any other Hong Kong residents, even if the government doesn’t yet realise its implications:
問人「來自何地」或涉歧視 |
Asking people “where are you from” may become discrimination |
《星島日報》,2014年3月25日 | Sing Tao Daily, 25 March 2014 |
中港矛盾持續,港人辱罵內地人亦時有發生。平機會主席周一嶽昨表示,暫未收到有內地人在港受歧視的投訴,但有收到小量查詢,今年第三季檢討是否修訂四條歧視條例,專家正構思加入「個人的來源地」及「入境年份」等字眼,杜絕無理行為。 | With the ongoing conflicts between mainland China and Hong Kong, there have sometimes been incidents of Hong Kong people abusing mainland people. Equal Opportunities Commission Chairman York Chow stated, although the EOC has not yet received any complaints from mainland people about discrimination they have suffered in Hong Kong, it has received a small volume of enquiries. In the third quarter of this year, the EOC plans to review whether or not to amend the four discrimination ordinances, and experts are considering adding language such as “person’s place of origin” and “year of immigration” to eliminate unreasonable behaviour. |
The tax exchange information agreement
On the face of it, this TIEA looks like bad news for “U.S. Persons” in Hong Kong. The agreement signed by the Hong Kong government, available here on the Inland Revenue Department’s website, is far from containing “highly prudent safeguard measures to protect taxpayers’ privacy and the confidentiality of information exchanged”, as Secretary for Financial Services & the Treasury (and former U.S. Person) KC Chan so misleadingly described it. Instead, it’s a lightly-edited version of the OECD Model TIEA from 2002, right down to its removal of the requirement for double criminality for exchange of information, and its mention of words and structures like “Anstalten” which are foreign to both Hong Kong and Washington.
In Hong Kong, the legal framework for entering into stand-alone TIEAs (as opposed to information exchange under a comprehensive double-taxation treaty) is relatively new. Furthermore, as we pointed out last year, there is still no legal basis for the Hong Kong government to engage in automatic exchange of information of the type that the U.S. demands under FATCA. In a speech at the time, Starry Lee, a major pro-government legislator, expressed very negative attitudes about further broadening of information exchange, and also pointed out the obvious fact that any alleged “reciprocity” of a TIEA is in fact useless to Hong Kong:
As for the rationale behind this, everyone surely is quite clear, that Hong Kong has low taxes and few types of taxes, and under an information exchange framework, no doubt Hong Kong businesses will be continually requested to provide information, whereas the chances for Hong Kong to request others to provide information will be comparatively small.
Therefore, the DAB agrees with these suggested amendments proposed by the Government, and believes that they meet the minimum regulatory demands, including that they do not accept tax information demands relating to retrospective assessment of tax or overseas tax investigations. Aside from this, the Government should commit to disclosing relevant requested information only on the basis of international agreements and of Hong Kong law.
As the press release admits, the government needs the support of Lee and her fellow legislators in order to implement the new TIEA:
The TIEA will become effective after Hong Kong has completed the necessary legislative procedures for bringing the agreement into force. For this purpose, an order is required to be made by the Chief Executive in Council under the Inland Revenue Ordinance. The order is subject to negative vetting by the Legislative Council.
What’s more interesting about this agreement is what it reveals about Hong Kong’s future intentions towards FATCA. The government’s press release blandly states:
FATCA requires US persons, including those who live outside the US, to report to the US tax authorities their financial accounts held in other jurisdictions, and requires foreign financial institutions including those in Hong Kong to report the financial information in respect of their US clients. Subject to the completion of the ongoing discussions, Hong Kong intends to enter into an intergovernmental agreement with the US to lay down the arrangements which help facilitate compliance by the financial institutions in Hong Kong. As a complementary measure, the signing of a TIEA with the US will allow the US tax authorities to file a request to the IRD for EoI under specified conditions.
The question no one has asked yet: why is Hong Kong even bothering to sign a TIEA? Aside from Switzerland which was under heavy pressure from the U.S. to provide information about the activities of a few banks, plus Mauritius for reasons I can’t discern (thanks to Just Me for the correction), no other jurisdiction has signed a new TIEA along the way to a FATCA treaty (though Brazil did finally ratify an old one they’d had sitting around for the better part of a decade); in particular, other small tax havens like the Cayman Islands and Bermuda just went ahead with non-reciprocal Model 1B or Model 2 IGAs which do not require a pre-existing TIEA. Even Mauritius’ TIEA was not signed in advance of its IGA, but rather at the same time.
However, a pre-existing TIEA does appear to be a precondition for any FATCA reciprocity, even the fake kind of “best effort” reciprocity the U.S. has offered to European countries under Model 1 IGAs. Our banker overlords would clearly prefer to jump straight ahead to a non-reciprocal FATCA IGA as soon as they can deal with outstanding issues like exemptions for Hong Kong retirement plans — their only goal is to get certainty ASAP that they will be able to dump as much as possible of the compliance costs onto the IRD and thus on Hong Kong taxpayers. So the fact that the Hong Kong government decided to spend its limited time and resources negotiating this seemingly-superfluous TIEA suggests quite strongly that the local banks are not the ones in control of Hong Kong’s policy towards FATCA, but that Beijing is.
I’ve previous expressed doubts that the Chinese government has any actual desire for tax & asset data which the U.S. might provide them under genuinely reciprocal automatic information exchange, and law firms like Dezan Shira have also voiced similar sentiments. Like Moscow, Beijing may be demanding more reciprocity than that provided by a Model 1 IGA simply as a matter of principle and equality of sovereign countries, or to put pressure on the U.S. government and force them to make commitments which will enrage domestic constituencies, or to use the U.S. government’s failure to meet those reciprocal commitments as justification for their own retaliatory actions.
Amending the anti-discrimination law
On a totally different topic, Hong Kong’s Race Discrimination Ordinance at present explicitly delineates citizenship as a permissible ground of discrimination:
(2) An act done on the ground of any matter specified in subsection (3) does not constitute an act done on the ground of the race, colour, descent or national or ethnic origin of a person; and section 4(1)(b) does not apply to a requirement or condition as to any matter specified in subsection (3).
(3) The matters specified in this subsection are …
(c) the length of residence in Hong Kong of the person; or
(d) the nationality, citizenship or resident status of the person under the law of any country or place concerning nationality, citizenship, resident status or naturalization of or in that country or place.
Hong Kong banks have already taken advantage of this loophole to discriminate against Hong Kong residents of certain nationalities, providing an obvious template for how they’ll treat Hong Kongers with U.S. passports if FATCA really comes to our city. As this 2010 article in HK Magazine described:
It’s something most of us take for granted, but for Bibi and her mother, the simple task of opening a bank account has proved a frustrating struggle. Bibi was born and raised in Hong Kong and her mother has lived here for more than 20 years. They both have permanent residency, and both Pakistani and British National (Overseas) passports. Two months ago, her mother got a new job and wanted to open a Hang Seng Bank account, but unlike average Chinese Hong Kongers, who only need to submit their ID card, proof of address and the required sum of money, the teller at Hang Seng Bank asked whether she was Indian or Pakistani. “Then the teller asked if my mother still holds a Pakistani passport,” recalls Bibi. “When my mom said yes, the member of staff told her that she was being rejected because ‘Pakistan is a terrorist country’ and they have to prevent cases of money laundering for terrorists.”
On the bright side, some bank tellers apparently tried to show a bit of humanity and help her get around this ridiculous policy by putting some fake data on the account-opening form:
Bibi herself was once told to just put “Chinese” as her nationality in order to speed up the process when opening a bank account a few years before …
Now, the Equal Opportunities Commission, concerned by a rising wave of anger against mainland Chinese tourists and immigrants in our city, has proposed broadening the protections offered by the Race Discrimination Ordinance. Mainlanders are not protected under the existing RDO because they are not defined by traditional racial categories, but rather by place of birth and legal status outside of Hong Kong, meaning that any amendments to protect them may also end up protecting “U.S. Persons” who are also defined by similar criteria. Even if not, the review and public consultation process will provide opportunities for members of other groups affected by discrimination to voice their concerns:
現有《種族歧視條例》只保障不同種族間免歧視,平機會主席周一嶽表示,將在今年第三季檢討四條歧視條例,專家正研究考慮用適當的法律名詞去描述及概括問題,例如在加入「個人的來源地」及「入境年份」等字眼,保障內地人及新移民,再審視執行時實際影響,再作公眾諮詢。他指法例只是行為上的最低標準,最重要希望杜絕無理行為,教育整個社會的風氣,加強公民認識。 | The present Race Discrimination Ordinance only protects against discrimnation among different races, but Equal Opportunities Commission Chairman York Chow stated, in the third quarter of this year the EOC will review the four discrimination ordinances. Experts are presently conducting research on the appropriate legal terminology to describe and delineate the problem, such as adding language like “personal place of origin” and “year of immigration” to protect mainland people and new immigrants, and will again examine the practical impact of implementation, and then conduct public consulation. He also stated, the ordinance is only a minimum standard of behaviour, and more importantly he hopes to eliminate unreasonable behaviour and to improve the whole atmosphere of society and strengthen civic awareness. |
他又指出,平機會暫未收到有內地人在港受歧視的投訴,但收到少量查詢,而去年共收到九百六十八宗涉及兩性關係的投訴,當中三分一涉及性別歧視,主要涉及家庭崗位及僱傭關係,另有一成個案涉性騷擾,大部分是在工作間發生,以男性侵犯女性居多。 | He also pointed out that the EOC has not yet received any complaints from mainland people about discrimination they have suffered in Hong Kong, but it has received a small volume of enquiries. Last year, [the EOC] received a total of 968 complaints regarding gender relations, among which one-third concerned gender discrimination, primarily with regard to family status and employer-employee relations, while one-tenth of complaints concerned sexual harassment, the majority of which occurred in the workplace, and mostly consisting of men harassing women. |
執業大律師陸偉雄稱,贊成檢討四條歧視條例,但修訂條例要視乎有關投訴數字有否上升趨勢,現時則看不到修訂條例的逼切性。他又指修例保障內地人要非常小心,「如果內地客搶奶粉、搶貴樓價,行為如同蝗蟲掠奪田產,港人罵他們『蝗蟲』只是表述,這亦算歧視,就對港人非常不公平。」 | Barrister Luk Wai-hong said that he supports reviewing the four discrimination ordinances, but amending the ordinance should depend on whether or not there is a rising trend in related complaints, and he does not see any pressing need to amend the ordinance. He further pointed out, it is necessary to be quite careful when amending the ordinance to protect mainland people, [stating that] “when mainland tourists snatch up baby formula and luxury flats, their behaviour is like that of locusts plundering the land, and Hong Kong people cursing them as ‘locusts’ is just a form of expression, but even this would be considered discrimination, which would be extraordinarily unfair to Hong Kong people.” |
However, if you are not willing to rest your hopes on such a thin reed, or if you are politically uncomfortable with the idea that Hong Kong’s pro-Beijing camp is the source of all of these measures which might protect your right to lead a normal life as a U.S. citizen outside of the U.S. (while pan-Democratic camp members like Kenneth Leung — elected to a functional constituency seat by the votes of a few thousand accountants — raise their voices in support of every unreasonable demand by Washington), the safest course of action is simply to stop being a U.S. citizen, and then hope that the banks do not continue to discriminate against you based on your former citizenship status.
@FromtheWilderness
I meant to say thanks for the link to the WSJ blog on Hong Kong. I am going to follow jjasonshow on twitter..
From International Business Times…
China Mulling Implementing FATCA-Like Law To Reduce Tax Evasion On Mainland; Hong Kong Agreed To Share Tax Information Of US Expats Earlier This Week
China is to looking to formulate a law similar to one in the U.S., which now requires financial institutions worldwide to disclose information on American taxpayers to the U.S. government, South China Morning Post, or SCMP, reported Friday.
The IB Times is referring to this article by Toh Han Shih in the SCMP, which they couldn’t bother to link. Maybe they were embarrassed that if anyone read their source they’d realise it’s BS. It consists of one wildly speculative quote from an expat lawyer which completely muddles the distinction between the two concepts of CBT and residence-based EoI:
Followed by a bunch of misinformation like:
*bzzzt*, regardless of whether you think the TIEA is a prelude to FATCA or not, itself it is not a FATCA IGA itself, and does not enable automatic information exchange.
Basically, the only accurate statements in his entire article comes from Gene Buttrill at Jones & Day:
@Eric
Thanks. Everyone sees all tax initiative in terms of FATCA, I guess.
BTW, here is the authors twitter account. Think I will tweet her your comment…
@SnehaShankar30
Sneha Shankar @bangalore_girl 5h
@FATCA_Fallout @quant18 Thank you Marvin. We would have loved to give a link to SCMP, somehow missed it. Will keep in mind from now.
So, Eric…. Here is your opening…
Sneha Shankar @bangalore_girl 5h
@FATCA_Fallout @quant18 Do let me know about any other updates related to FATCA so that I can be more accurate in the stories.
No news is good news, I guess? KC Chan made no mention of FATCA in his latest speech on the Financial Services & Treasury Department’s “key initiatives” for FY2014–15, even in the section on “International Regulatory Requirements”
http://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/201403/31/P201403310859.htm
@Just Me: hmm, I really need to break back into my Twitter account at some point …
Hmm, there are lots of U.S. goobermental muckety-mucks in our city this week to meet the Chief Executive to discuss “issues of mutual concern”.
http://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/201404/24/P201404240380.htm
http://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/201404/22/P201404220806.htm
They’re keeping a tight lid on it, too. I guess they wanted to make sure none of us troublemakers showed up to throw rotten eggs at them.
@Eric
That has been the problem all along… back door meetings… no info released… sliding into laws that is packed full of crap… so no one notices until its too late. Take all our privacy away without a whimper… Even if we make every effort to bring it to the front… its pushed to the side… with a pat on our heads… we gov’t people know whats best for u all…. so sit there… be good now… u do what we tell u…
@US Person Foreigner: yeah, exactly. Washington, Beijing, and HK … all sides are keeping things very quiet. But no news is probably good news: it means that the disagreements & stalling are continuing.
Anyway, KC Chan is gonna be spending next week in the US & Canada. He’ll be meeting with Canadian Department of Finance, Financial Services Commission of Ontario, Bank of Canada, US Treasury, and the US SEC:
http://news.sina.com.hk/news/20140426/-2-3248402/1.html
@Eric
That don’t sound good. Sounds like KC Chan is trying to hammer a better deal then Canada or the same deal. Not that Canada got a better deal at all. Friends in HK are in disbelief about this when I told them. Words out of their mouth was… your bsing me… why would HK or China do that… they gain nothing
The HK–U.S. TIEA order was gazetted last Friday, to come into operation on 20 June 2014.
http://www.gld.gov.hk/egazette/english/gazette/pdf.php?extra=0&year=2014&month=04&day=25&vol=18&no=17&gn=&type=2&id=54
It’s on the Legislative Council agenda for this Wednesday
http://www.legco.gov.hk/yr13-14/english/counmtg/agenda/cm20140430.htm
@Eric, the Hong Kong agreement seems reasonable and looks like something that the Government did not roll over on.
I like how “extraordinary costs” are to be borne by the applicant party.
This should be a template for Canada and Europe to renegotiate their base platform on.
The LegCo Subcommittee on the TIEA will hold its first meeting next Tuesday:
http://www.legco.gov.hk/yr13-14/english/hc/sub_leg/sc11/general/sc11.htm
I have no clue what the claim “the Administration will not accede to any request for tax examination abroad” (政府當局不會答允任何就海外稅務調查的請求) is supposed to mean, especially given that the TIEA requires that “the requested Party shall provide information in accordance with this Agreement regardless of the residence or nationality of the person holding the information or to whom the information relates”, so I wrote to the Inland Revenue Department to ask for their clarification.
Well it looks like the finance industry won and the rest of us lost:
http://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/201405/09/P201405090723.htm
No news coverage can be bothered to mention the impact on Hong Kong residents who have U.S. citizenship.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/09/us-usa-hongkong-tax-idUSBREA480V520140509
http://news.sina.com.hk/news/20140510/-2-3259070/1.html
Xinhua is being very quiet about this. Just a single 150-character article in one of their more obscure publications:
http://jjckb.xinhuanet.com/2014-05/12/content_503966.htm
Which has barely been picked up by any other domestic newspapers:
http://www.baidu.com/s?wd=%22%E9%A6%99%E6%B8%AF%E4%B8%8E%E7%BE%8E%E5%9B%BDFATCA%E5%8D%8F%E8%AE%AE%E7%94%9F%E6%95%88%22&ie=utf-8&nojs=1&bqid=eabf1feb0000f0b0
@Eric,
I would be very interested in any additional clarification that might be proffered re “..“the requested Party shall provide information in accordance with this Agreement regardless of the residence or nationality of the person holding the information or to whom the information relates”….”…
Do countries who accede to this not understand what a free for all it could become if FATCA co-exists with the OECD Common reporting, or if any or all other countries follow the US lead?
Why are some countries agreeing to provide services to those within their borders, yet give up the assets of those same persons to the extraterritorial claims of a foreign country?
The host country provides succour to those born and living on its soil, and the US milks them from abroad – through extortion. All the world agrees to pay protection money to the US. Where will that end? Arrogance begets only more arrogance.
How can we live in a world where our dominant nationality and legal country of residence mean nothing – and other countries can assert extraterritorial control over duals – or create their own fanciful expedient categories of who they deem to be ‘taxable persons’?
I picture a pack of feral dogs fighting to grab scraps of entrails ripped from the same prey.
I can’t see how this can possibly be sustainable.
Even if FATCA in the end is defeated, the US will remember how far it got using force and might, and given its ‘peculiar’ system of CBT will no doubt come back at it again from a different angle.
LegCo Secretariat brief on the TIEA:
http://www.legco.gov.hk/yr13-14/english/hc/sub_leg/sc11/papers/sc110513cb1-1397-1-e.pdf
Nothing much surprising. Everyone involved only cares about protecting the interests of “information holders” (i.e. financial institutions) rather than individuals. At Paragraph 7, they state what we already suspected: the U.S. “has all along shown no interest in pursuing a [Comprehensive Double Taxation Agreement] with Hong Kong”. At Paragraph 19, they at least confirm that the individual whose information is being disclosed to the foreign jurisdiction must be notified. At Paragraph 21, they refused the suggestion “to set up an independent oversight body to ensure the handling of individual EoI requests by IRD in a fair and consistent manner and strict adherence of IRD’s actions and decisions to the internal procedures and guidelines”.
In the appendix, they state the definition of “will not accede to any requests for tax information abroad” in slightly more detail: “representatives of one Contracting Party will not be permitted to conduct tax examinations in the territory of another Contracting Party”. No word from IRD about whether that includes “one Contracting Party” (U.S.) conducting a tax examination by mail of a person who is resident only in the territory of “another Contracting Party” (Hong Kong). (Hint: they don’t want to think about it very hard. Hear no evil, see no evil.)
Hong Kong Equal Opportunities Commission says that during the recent public consultation they received tens of thousands of comments about adding prohibitions against discrimination by nationality to the Race Discrimination Ordinance, but says such an amendment might take 5 to 10 years to implement
http://paper.wenweipo.com/2015/01/20/HK1501200050.htm