101 thoughts on “Coalition Supports RBT – Letter to Ways & Means & Senate Finance Committee”
Excellent letter. This also truly exemplifies what strange bedfellows we often make in order to achieve our aims. I’ve become used to cheering on Rand Paul, and have found it in my heart to peer through my blinkers and respect Grover Norquist. And now I find myself on the same side as Tea Party Nation. A couple years ago (pre-OMG moment) I wouldn’t have let any of these people enter my home. Now they’re my beacons of hope. Though I suspect any Democrat lawmaker will see the Tea Party Nation logo and toss the letter in the shredder, nevertheless, I believe it will speak loudly to Republicans by showing that so many right-wing groups that demonstrate hefty vote-getting credentials are serious about this matter. My heartfelt thanks and, yes, support to them all.
Barbara: I fully second your comment, you convey my thoughts precisely.
Oh I know, it’s utter cognitive dissonance. In any other context these people are appalling. Mark Meadows going on about the Deep State. And Jim Jatras was just foul.
It’s up to organizations like Democrats Abroad to get Democrats on board. Just drives home how everyone needs to work together.
Wow! “Residence-based taxation” requested right up front in the first sentence. No equivocation; no fancy, complicated “3-years of this and that”, nobody excluded; just plain and simple residence-based taxation for everybody, right now. Wow! This is my kind of letter. Deepest thanks to the authors and sponsoring organizations.
After this letter, I was trying to find out if the upcoming legislation would be called Residence Based Taxation or Territorial Taxation for Individuals.
Another name floated was: Saving Citizenship Act.
Is this a letter similar to the one sent out by Nigel Green couple of years ago?
No response or “we will look into it carefully”was the end of that story if I remember correctly.
Antman: That’s true, but as long as there are groups out there who have taken up our cause there is still hope.
JC, Saving Citizenship as name for bill makes more sense than RBT or TTFI. Since many will not be able to come into tax compliance and thus unable to qualify for exemption from taxation. RBT and TTFI imply that every US person qualifies just like every Canadian qualifies for residence based taxation. Otherwise what do we call any future bill that extends RBT or TTFI to every individual?
Keith Redmond reports on Facebook:
The joint Republicans Overseas / Democrats Abroad / American Chamber of Commerce in France on TTFI – Territorial Taxation For Individuals now known as the Saving US Citizenship Act went very well!
DA France Chairman Joe Smallhoover promised to deliver a TTFI endorsement letter from AmCham France since he is a board member.
Additionally, French Senator Damien Regnard elected by French expats in US promised to get other 9 overseas French Senators to sign a TTFI endorsement letter jointly.
To the Democrats Abroad members of this group (or those affiliated with Democrats Abroad):
Perhaps Democrats Abroad can spearhead the same with the left leaning organisations to send a coalition letter supporting residence based taxation. The letter can be sent to the ranking members on the House Ways & Means Committee and Senate Finance Committee respectively. Perhaps you can suggest this to the leadership at Democrats Abroad?
If the bill is to repeal FATCA and pure RBT.
They can call the bill whatever they want. I don’t care.
If this is a bill demanding three years tax compliance without repealing FATCA, this is simply a trash.
There will be a bill (maybe) prior to elections of course, to get votes. There will not be a law to stop this nightmare. It is just too profitable to extort money and huge penalties out of slaves residing overseas for decades. Sick.
They are all aware what is going on. IRS has deliberately hired agents to deal with these specific issues and punish non residents. Their press releases continue to remind that expats are targeted. US tax committee has been aware of these issues, yet has done nothing during the tax reform to stop CBT for individuals. There is no hope they will change anything.
“IRS has deliberately hired agents to deal with these specific issues and punish non residents.”
Worth bearing in mind that the IRS has no power to tax, fine or penalise citizens of other countries who don’t reside in the US and aren’t filing US tax returns.
For those who are willing to renounce US citizenship or ignore US tax laws; and are in a position to be able to do so, all’s well.
“It is just too profitable to extort money and huge penalties out of slaves residing overseas for decades.”
Speaking as a US-born individual who has resided outside the US for decades and decades without ever filing a 1040, I can honestly say, hand on heart, I never felt like a slave and the US never treated me like a slave.
To renounce, you don’t have to file US tax returns, but you do have to be able to pay $2350 for the CLN.
I’m amused how my liberal friends on this site still hold on to hope that the money hungry, tax mad Democrats will somehow prove to be allies of the American expat.
Who wrote Fatca with all it’s parallel reporting instruments (FBAR etc., ad nauseam)? Who then sneakily attached it as a rider to an otherwise completely mundane and harmless budget bill? Who then was the chief executive who signed Fatca into law, unleashing the full power of the Treasury Department on millions of hapless “US persons” living abroad?
FATCA and all it’s derivatives is a 100% pure Democrat monster. It’s the Democrats that see no end to growing government and refuse to even consider any reason to stop. It is the democrat party who refuse to recognize tax cuts as in any way positive. It was a Democrat president, Harold Wilson, who led the charge giving America the 16th Amendment, ..ie the income tax a century ago.
I could go on but just to say that I truly hope that all the liberals at Isaac Brock will have the same epiphany I had over three decades ago when I saw dem politicians for the lying, thieving charlatans that they are.
Republicans are little better but at least a small percentage actually stand for justice and fairness. Today’s DNC consider those as swear words.
“It was a Democrat president, Harold Wilson, who led the charge giving America the 16th Amendment, ..ie the income tax a century ago.”
Eh? Some confusion here? I don’t recall a President Harold Wilson?
But had Harold Wilson been president, he would have been a Democrat.
Had Harold Wilson been a natural-born American, he wouldn’t have been Harold Wilson.
Everything is bi-partisan. It is not dems or Republicans… it is the Corrupt US government with archaic constitution and laws (give me a break, 1913 Supreme Court decision on cbt). Republicans had many chances to fix the issue, but chose to ignore it and never will deal with it.
@plaxy @ nononymous
Instead of dumb assing someone over who was president during 1913 ,wouldn’t be better to correct him instead. The 16th amendment was initiated during Taft’s term and fully ratified during Woodrow Wilson’s term in 1913.
Excellent letter. This also truly exemplifies what strange bedfellows we often make in order to achieve our aims. I’ve become used to cheering on Rand Paul, and have found it in my heart to peer through my blinkers and respect Grover Norquist. And now I find myself on the same side as Tea Party Nation. A couple years ago (pre-OMG moment) I wouldn’t have let any of these people enter my home. Now they’re my beacons of hope. Though I suspect any Democrat lawmaker will see the Tea Party Nation logo and toss the letter in the shredder, nevertheless, I believe it will speak loudly to Republicans by showing that so many right-wing groups that demonstrate hefty vote-getting credentials are serious about this matter. My heartfelt thanks and, yes, support to them all.
Barbara: I fully second your comment, you convey my thoughts precisely.
Oh I know, it’s utter cognitive dissonance. In any other context these people are appalling. Mark Meadows going on about the Deep State. And Jim Jatras was just foul.
It’s up to organizations like Democrats Abroad to get Democrats on board. Just drives home how everyone needs to work together.
Wow! “Residence-based taxation” requested right up front in the first sentence. No equivocation; no fancy, complicated “3-years of this and that”, nobody excluded; just plain and simple residence-based taxation for everybody, right now. Wow! This is my kind of letter. Deepest thanks to the authors and sponsoring organizations.
After this letter, I was trying to find out if the upcoming legislation would be called Residence Based Taxation or Territorial Taxation for Individuals.
Another name floated was: Saving Citizenship Act.
Is this a letter similar to the one sent out by Nigel Green couple of years ago?
No response or “we will look into it carefully”was the end of that story if I remember correctly.
Antman: That’s true, but as long as there are groups out there who have taken up our cause there is still hope.
JC, Saving Citizenship as name for bill makes more sense than RBT or TTFI. Since many will not be able to come into tax compliance and thus unable to qualify for exemption from taxation. RBT and TTFI imply that every US person qualifies just like every Canadian qualifies for residence based taxation. Otherwise what do we call any future bill that extends RBT or TTFI to every individual?
Keith Redmond reports on Facebook:
The joint Republicans Overseas / Democrats Abroad / American Chamber of Commerce in France on TTFI – Territorial Taxation For Individuals now known as the Saving US Citizenship Act went very well!
DA France Chairman Joe Smallhoover promised to deliver a TTFI endorsement letter from AmCham France since he is a board member.
Additionally, French Senator Damien Regnard elected by French expats in US promised to get other 9 overseas French Senators to sign a TTFI endorsement letter jointly.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/AmericanExpatriates/permalink/1101104333388971/
Keith Redmond appeal to Democrats Abroad:
To the Democrats Abroad members of this group (or those affiliated with Democrats Abroad):
Perhaps Democrats Abroad can spearhead the same with the left leaning organisations to send a coalition letter supporting residence based taxation. The letter can be sent to the ranking members on the House Ways & Means Committee and Senate Finance Committee respectively. Perhaps you can suggest this to the leadership at Democrats Abroad?
See the post about the coalition letter here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/AmericanExpatriates/permalink/1100027213496683/
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jg0ecu7o03jg8a8/COALTION%20RBT%20SUPPORT%20190918.pdf?dl=0
https://www.facebook.com/groups/AmericanExpatriates/permalink/1101119593387445/
@Jules, good point.
Please retweet/like on Twitter:
@joesmallhoover @SolomonYue
@ACAVoice @arro @FAWCO @DemsAbroad @UKGOP
Support: Saving US Citizenship Act !
END U.S. Citizenship Double Taxation
END #FATCA & #FBAR of US family living overseas
#taxreform #TaxCutsandJobsAct
@RepKevinBrady @OrrinHatch @GroverNorquist
https://twitter.com/JCDoubleTaxed/status/1043263452427378688
If the bill is to repeal FATCA and pure RBT.
They can call the bill whatever they want. I don’t care.
If this is a bill demanding three years tax compliance without repealing FATCA, this is simply a trash.
There will be a bill (maybe) prior to elections of course, to get votes. There will not be a law to stop this nightmare. It is just too profitable to extort money and huge penalties out of slaves residing overseas for decades. Sick.
They are all aware what is going on. IRS has deliberately hired agents to deal with these specific issues and punish non residents. Their press releases continue to remind that expats are targeted. US tax committee has been aware of these issues, yet has done nothing during the tax reform to stop CBT for individuals. There is no hope they will change anything.
“IRS has deliberately hired agents to deal with these specific issues and punish non residents.”
Worth bearing in mind that the IRS has no power to tax, fine or penalise citizens of other countries who don’t reside in the US and aren’t filing US tax returns.
For those who are willing to renounce US citizenship or ignore US tax laws; and are in a position to be able to do so, all’s well.
“It is just too profitable to extort money and huge penalties out of slaves residing overseas for decades.”
Speaking as a US-born individual who has resided outside the US for decades and decades without ever filing a 1040, I can honestly say, hand on heart, I never felt like a slave and the US never treated me like a slave.
To renounce, you don’t have to file US tax returns, but you do have to be able to pay $2350 for the CLN.
I’m amused how my liberal friends on this site still hold on to hope that the money hungry, tax mad Democrats will somehow prove to be allies of the American expat.
Who wrote Fatca with all it’s parallel reporting instruments (FBAR etc., ad nauseam)? Who then sneakily attached it as a rider to an otherwise completely mundane and harmless budget bill? Who then was the chief executive who signed Fatca into law, unleashing the full power of the Treasury Department on millions of hapless “US persons” living abroad?
FATCA and all it’s derivatives is a 100% pure Democrat monster. It’s the Democrats that see no end to growing government and refuse to even consider any reason to stop. It is the democrat party who refuse to recognize tax cuts as in any way positive. It was a Democrat president, Harold Wilson, who led the charge giving America the 16th Amendment, ..ie the income tax a century ago.
I could go on but just to say that I truly hope that all the liberals at Isaac Brock will have the same epiphany I had over three decades ago when I saw dem politicians for the lying, thieving charlatans that they are.
Republicans are little better but at least a small percentage actually stand for justice and fairness. Today’s DNC consider those as swear words.
“It was a Democrat president, Harold Wilson, who led the charge giving America the 16th Amendment, ..ie the income tax a century ago.”
Eh? Some confusion here? I don’t recall a President Harold Wilson?
But had Harold Wilson been president, he would have been a Democrat.
Had Harold Wilson been a natural-born American, he wouldn’t have been Harold Wilson.
Everything is bi-partisan. It is not dems or Republicans… it is the Corrupt US government with archaic constitution and laws (give me a break, 1913 Supreme Court decision on cbt). Republicans had many chances to fix the issue, but chose to ignore it and never will deal with it.
@plaxy @ nononymous
Instead of dumb assing someone over who was president during 1913 ,wouldn’t be better to correct him instead. The 16th amendment was initiated during Taft’s term and fully ratified during Woodrow Wilson’s term in 1913.