“There is something fundamentally wrong with a country where compliance with its laws
forces you to (eventually) renounce your citizenship.”
This post is based on a comment by John Richardson. The comment is a response to
a post by laurainparis on the Thom Hartmann blogsite.
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Laura, you conclude your last comment with:
“In asking his question Thom demonstrates the importance of how the United States treates it citizens when they leave the country. He demonstrates that this is an important question not just for Americans who live outside the US, but for ALL Americans, regardless of where they live. Because anyone who thinks they can leave the country, anyone who comforts themselves with this idea – anyone who asks the question “why don’t more Americans leave?” – they are deluding themselves. There is no freedom for Americans. Americans are not free to live normal lives outside the US, unless they are financially and emotionally prepared to STOP BEING AMERICANS (that is, renounce their citizenship). The word “ironic” doesn’t begin to describe the situation. The words “impossible” and “tragic” do.”
A tragic situation indeed.
What’s most interesting and tragic is that:
The ones who try the hardest to comply with the U.S. rules are the ones who ultimately are forced to renounce. I have assisted a very large number of people in renouncing their U.S. citizenship (and thereby ending U.S. jursidction over them). A high percentage of people I have assisted are people who:
1. Have tried for years to comply with the “alphabet soup” series of laws and reguations that govern the lives of Americans abroad; and
2. Realize that compliance is no longer possible.
The only remaining Americans abroad will be “noncompliant” Americans abroad
In the long run, the only Americans abroad who will be able to retain their U.S. citizenship are those who do NOT attempt compliance with these laws. There is something fundamentally wrong with a country where compliance with its laws forces you to (eventually) renounce your citizenship. This is a problem that has escalated over time.
U.S. citizens abroad are living under siege.
A wonderful expression of the evolution of the problem comes from Jackie Bugnion in
her submission
to the House Ways and Means Committee on Tax Reform. Writing in 2013 she said:
“In 1776, the United States declared independence because the mother country on the other side of the ocean was imposing taxes on the colonies for the benefit of England. Resentment started when Britain tried to enforce the Navigation Act after 1763. Resentment increased with the Stamp Act in 1765, a way for Britain to tax the colonies. The British Tea Act of 1773 led to the Tea Party and we all know the outcome – the American Revolution and independence crying out “no taxation without representation”.
Today, the estimated 7 million Americans resident abroad, of whom the majority are long-term overseas residents in high tax OECD countries, face a comparable situation. Their representation in Congress is non-existent in reality. Americans abroad amount to only 1 to 2% of the votes in any particular state; Congressmen and Senators have ignored their tax issues. The unjustified myth that Americans abroad are wealthy and disloyal restricts a rational approach to the problems because of political image issues.
Citizenship-based taxation (CBT) has existed ever since the federal income tax was adopted. Despite CBT being an anomaly involving double taxation, taxation of phantom gains and explicit tax code discrimination, it was grudgingly tolerated by Americans abroad because it was essentially voluntary, most often involved little tax or no U.S. tax liability and basically was not enforced. In particular, the FBAR filing requirement was so obscure that even the big four accounting firms were not aware of the filing obligation dating from 1970 and failed to inform Americans abroad of the need to file the FBAR.
Since 2001, a series of legislative events have radically changed the situation:
- In 2001, the Patriot Act made anything foreign suspect, including Americans residing overseas.
- In 2004, Congress, under the Jobs Act, drastically increased the FBAR civil and criminal penalties to confiscatory levels, creating a disguised form of taxation on assets held overseas.
- In 2006 administration of the FBAR reports was transferred to the IRS for enforcement.
- In 2006 the Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act (TIPRA) extended the Bush tax cuts and included a compensatory revenue raising provision that reduced the benefit of the foreign earned income exclusion, limited the foreign housing allowance and pushed Americans overseas into higher tax brackets, thereby increasing U.S. tax liabilities for many Americans abroad.
- In 2008 the law relating to renunciation of U.S. citizenship was revised under Section 877A and introduced an Exit Tax on wealthy individuals (defined as “covered”). The law also provided that Americans who inherit from estates of former “covered” U.S. citizens are subject to U.S.
inheritance tax with no exclusion. This outrageous discriminatory provision aims to discourage renunciation of citizenship, but in fact penalizes children of former U.S. citizens for an act they did not commit. In practice, it encourages the children to also renounce their U.S. citizenship.- In 2009 the IRS launched its initiative against tax evasion linked to foreign assets through the Overseas Voluntary Disclosure Programs and a threatening public relations campaign. While it justifiably targeted U.S. resident tax evaders, it simultaneously trapped Americans abroad who necessarily have foreign assets. The IRS’s one size fits all policy and bait and switch tactics led to abuses of Americans abroad which inspired sharp criticism from the National Taxpayer Advocate.
- In 2010 FATCA was slipped into the HIRE bill with no debate in Congress and no cost/benefit
analysis. FATCA aims to provide the door that closes the fiscal trap by requiring foreign financial institutions to report to the IRS on assets held overseas by U.S. persons. It effectively cuts off many Americans from foreign financial institutions which find it too onerous to maintain American clients. FATCA creates a barrier to free movement of capital and people.- In 2012 S.3457 proposed to grant the IRS the authority to have a U.S. passport cancelled or not issued if the IRS determined that the individual owed $50,000 or more U.S. tax.
- In 2012 the Ex-patriot Act, S.3205, proposed to deny any “covered” expatriate re-entry into the United States, with retroactive effect for ten years prior to enactment of the law. The Reed
Amendment of the 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act already
allows the United States to deny entry of former citizens into the United States.- In 2013, S.268 was introduced; it compounds difficulties created by FATCA.
- In 2013 the Senate Finance Committee included in its tax reform recommendations a provision which would grant the IRS authority to cancel a U.S. passport for tax collection purposes.
This stream of legislation and proposals categorizes Americans abroad as suspected criminals seeking to escape U.S. taxes. Congress has outdone George III and has turned the United States into a fiscal prison, including legislation which is deemed anti-constitutional under the Fifth Amendment1 and is contrary to Articles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.2
The foundation of the U.S. fiscal prison is citizenship-based taxation. Americans working and living abroad carry a ball and chain of dual taxation throughout their entire lives up to and including death.Americans abroad already pay taxes in the country where they reside and receive governmental services.
The additional U.S. tax obligation creates inevitable incompatibilities and discrimination and even requires Americans abroad to break foreign exchange control laws to pay U.S. taxes.
A revolution among long-term overseas residents is now underway. Five years ago, Americans abroad never talked about renunciation of citizenship. Today, it is a common topic in the press and among the community abroad. For more and more individuals, renunciation is the only solution to an intolerable situation created by the U.S. imposing its laws beyond its borders. The United States is literally destroying the community of Americans abroad, which plays an essential role in representing U.S. interests and goodwill overseas. The United States is shooting itself in the foot.
While the absolute number of renunciations, currently around 2,000 a year, is insignificant compared to the average annual U.S. citizenship naturalizations of 680,000, renunciations have multiplied seven times over the last four years. So far we have seen only the tip of the iceberg if CBT remains in force.
Today’s situation leads to serious hidden prejudice for the United States. U.S. exports are far below where they should to be because citizenship-based discourages U.S. companies from deploying U.S. citizens overseas to sell U.S. products; the law makes them too expensive. U.S. tax law and FATCA create insurmountable barriers for small and medium-sized companies to establish beachheads abroad to develop exports. The loss represents millions of U.S. jobs, hundreds of billions of dollars of exports, billions of dollars of U.S. tax revenue, and an unsustainable trade and budget deficit. Americans married to a foreign spouse, who represent about a third of the Americans resident abroad, now hesitate to register their children born abroad with the U.S. Embassy. The hot thing among young adults in their twenties is to renounce U.S. citizenship; they are aware of the impossible web of U.S. regulations that restrict job opportunities and personal freedom. Pushing away the young generation of Americans abroad is an immense loss to the United States. In prior generations, many highly educated multi-lingual American children returned to the United States, founded companies and created jobs in the U.S.
Adopting RBT will stop this revolution immediately. RBT law needs to be drafted in the spirit to allow free movement of individuals to leave and return to the United States, to reinforce the competitiveness of Americans and the United States overseas, to provide a simple, non-penalizing transition to RBT for the community of Americans already overseas, to ensure that Americans abroad are not subject to FATCA and FBAR, to adapt existing bilateral tax treaties and enter into new tax treaties so that withholding tax rates on U.S. source income are reasonable and to ensure that Americans abroad who have the majority of their assets in the United States (retirement funds, pension funds, real estate) are not disadvantaged under RBT with regard to either income or estate taxes.
I thank you for the opportunity to comment and hold high hopes that your bi-partisan efforts will lead to the constructive tax reform so necessary for Americans residing abroad.
Sincerely yours,
Jacqueline Bugnion”
Speaking of constitutions, the latest news is that the US Supreme Court ruled that a LEGAL immigrant can be jailed indefinitely without bond, and tons of idiotic commenters are talking about ILLEGAL immigrants have no rights. There’s no hope. The US is not a country for law obeyers.
“Japan has already invented lady robots for the shortage in women there and men there are marrying female robots.”
No, men are cohabiting with female robots but not marrying them.
In an Isaac Asimov story some decades ago, the sex was reversed. Though in that story, the human actually fell in love with her robot butler. Hmm wait, did that story come before or after then Helen O’Loy story?
Anyone who’s really really desperate should marry the US government, because then they’ll be sure to get fuc*ed.
“men are cohabiting with female robots but not marrying them.”
News flash. Men are not cohabiting with appliances – not even with masturbation aides.
masturbation aids, I should say. Men may indeed be cohabiting with masturbation aides, if such exist.
Just don’t cohabitate with one those things that has a “Made in USA” label or you might get penalized, get taxed, and have your bank account closed, though I seriously don’t think the Marines are going to show up at your doorstep to “save” it.
Though if they did…
Some Japanese guy attempted to marry a video game character. Had the ceremony and everything.
http://www.asiaone.com/asia/japanese-men-marry-anime-characters-vr-wedding
Surely nothing like this would happen in the West!
https://news.avclub.com/the-internet-finally-reaches-its-apex-as-man-marrying-m-1798237210
Meanwhile,the new “Avengers” movie will include an ahem, dalliance between a human (the Scarlet Witch) and a toaster (the Vision).
Now that’s more like it. It might well be worth forming a lifelong committed relationship with a good toaster.
Makes good sense. I always figured those thing were intelligent creatures: I never met one that didn’t have its own thoughts on how dark I wanted my toast.
Now, if we could get one or two elected into the US Congress, maybe we could raise the average IQ there enough to get a fix to all the idiocy.
Obviously those toasters know how to reach out to the American public
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4034787.stm
https://www.flickr.com/photos/adammathes/27244
This has got me thinking (not good)
Maybe we’re going about this all wrong; maybe we should just push for a law requiring all elected officials to beat an average (non-IoT, tombs alittle fair about it) kitchen appliance to run for office.
I think enough gerrymandering asses would think they could do it and it would give them that little advantage over their opponents that they would go for it.
The result being we get enough people in office who are smart enough to understand the effects of their actions, OR they can’t find enough homelanders to fill all the vacancies and we could use the “savings” to score against RBT.
I mean, it can’t work any worse than any of the arguments based on: common sense, morals, ethics, national sovereignty, fairness, justice, human rights, constitutional rights, etc., have been having, can it?
Unforgiven — I’ll have what you’re having — on the rocks.
Good grief. The quality of this thread is rising like bread in an oven. Ummm…
The Europeans can blame it on the Siberian weather effect.
I think Heidi hit the nail on the head: I already have a weird sense of humor that tends to be somewhat black, combined with too much time to follow the news, due to this weather keeping me from banging my head against some rocks because all the good whitewater rivers are frozen.
Seriously, though, the US government is really going downhill fast intelligence-wise.
“……the US government is really going downhill fast intelligence-wise.”
No kidding, and it starts right from the top. The only reason that I pay any attention is that its winter and its better than any other reality show on TV.
Must be the Russians meddling with the weather, huh?
Well at least the Siberian weather has more credibility right now than all the other Russian blaming going on.
Too cold to raft and too cold to ski… At least at my age.
Global warming swobal sgarming
@ UnforgivenToo
Would it be nasty of me to hope that the worst of the prospective pols wouldn’t know rule #1 — unplug the appliance? This talk of toast reminds me of my favourite grook by Piet Heins:
There’s an art of knowing when.
Never try to guess.
Toast until it smokes and then
Twenty seconds less.
BTW, my husband looks at the increasing depth of our snow here in the mountains as an indication of a good spring run-off for kayaking.
They probably wouldn’t be smart enough to figure that out, or they would have beaten it, anyway.
That spring run-off is looking to be good, but the best is that the north side of the Alps will probably keep a good flow all summer.
@ UnforgivenToo
Our rivers tend to get less interesting for my husband as summer progresses and water levels drop. Sorry, that was supposed to be Hein not Heins. I have trouble with the ring and little fingers of my left hand. Type many a and s errors … hopefully physio will help.
@embee
Sounds like a cool guy, your husband. Unfortunately I will never be able to paddle with him.
Some of my paddle buddies brought up the idea of a trip to US to do some rivers there, but I shot down that idea, quick. When they said Canada has some good rivers, too, I just told them straight up I will not get on a plane going anywhere near US airspace.
Looks like this thread is going from plight of US expats against CBT to marrying robots and toasters to climate control to intelligence of Congress (they have plenty of it to write a blank check for IRS passing laws against US expats. Do they really need to get that extra staff hired for processing overseas returns? I know compliance industry needs us badly. Bad business model for them to get RBT adopted for US expats as they would have to close up these shops especially overseas. Think of all the savings from the salary of those IRS staffers processing overseas returns ) . Patricia dear can you put up a new thread of yours to discuss something in FATCA/US expats like you always do and you always do a mighty good job of doing that.