Last September, due to the efforts of Suzanne Herman,
Representative Bill Posey (R-FL) sent an
excellent letter to Treasury Secretary Mnuchin,
asking him to deal with #FATCA.
This post included the text of the letter and some 60+ comments from Brockers. What Rep. Posey received is a stark contrast to the expectation expressed in this comment:
Bubblebustin says
October 16, 2017 at 2:12 pm@plaxy
According to RO on its FB page:
“At Republicans Overseas’ request, RNC Co-Chairman Bob Paduchik personally delivered Rep. Mark Meadows’ and Sen. Rand Paul’s joint letter on the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act to Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin’s office. Secretary Mnuchin is fully aware that 9 million overseas Americans have been suffering under FATCA tyranny.
As a result, FATCA is included in the 2nd Report to the President on Identifying and Reducing Tax Regulatory Burdens by the Treasury (https://www.treasury.gov/press-center/press-releases/Documents/2018-03004_Tax_EO_report.pdf).
In the report to the President recommending actions to eliminate or mitigate burdens imposed on taxpayers by eight specific tax regulations, the Treasury indicated that it is considering possible reforms of regulations issued pursuant to FATCA. Thank you Co-Chairman Bob-Paduchick.”
This is the response Rep. Posey received from the Treasury Department:
November 8, 2017
The Honorable Bill Posey
U.S. House of Representatives Washington, DC 20515
Dear Representative Posey:
Thank you for your letter regarding the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA). As you are aware, Congress passed FATCA legislation in 2010 to strengthen the integrity of the U.S. voluntary tax compliance system and to combat the use of foreign financial accounts and foreign entities to facilitate tax evasion. FATCA provides the IRS with information about U.S. taxpayers’ use of foreign financial accounts and certain higher-risk foreign entities, so that these foreign accounts and investments are subject to disclosure to the IRS, similar to the disclosures for accounts and investments held or made inside the United States that the IRS already receives.
Between 2010 and 2012, the Treasury Department and the IRS issued a series of notices and other published guidance setting forth proposed rules under the FATCA statutes and, after extensive engagement with stakeholders, issued final regulations in 2013 that phased in the implementation of the new information reporting regime. Additional FATCA guidance has subsequently been issued to respond to stakeholder comments and to coordinate the information reporting regime with preexisting information and withholding tax regimes under the Internal Revenue Code. Concurrent with the work on developing the FATCA regulations, the intergovernmental agreement (IGA) approach was developed in collaboration with other governments as an alternative way to implement the information reporting objectives of FATCA that would remove legal impediments under local law and reduce administrative burdens for foreign financial institutions where appropriate. Congress has authorized the exchange of tax information with foreign governments pursuant to bilateral executive agreements, and information regarding financial accounts is relevant to tax administration.
The Treasury Department has identified FATCA as a potential area for regulatory burden reduction pursuant to Executive Order 13777. The Treasury Department and the IRS are engaged with taxpayers and other constituents regarding ways to reduce unnecessary burdens from FATCA compliance. In this regard, we have recently provided relief to financial institutions by providing them additional time to collect taxpayer identification numbers to be included in reporting under FATCA and the IGAs.
The Treasury Department and the IRS will continue to work closely with all interested
stakeholders to implement FATCA in a manner that appropriately balances the compliance objectives of the statute with the burdens that it imposes.
We appreciate your continued attention to FATCA and look forward to working with you as these discussions continue. If you have additional questions, please contact Bradley Bailey, Office of Legislative Affairs, at (202) 622-1900.
Sincerely,
Drew Maloney
Assistant Secretary for Legislative Affairs
One would think a member of Congress would be important enough to receive a response from Secretary Mnuchin himself.
For your convenience in determining the value of Treasury’s letter, the original letter from Rep. Posey follows.
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September 29, 2017
The Honorable Steven Mnuchin
Secretary of the U.S. Department of the Treasury
1500 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW Washington, DC 20220
Dear Secretary Mnuchin,
I am writing to you regarding the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA) [26. U.S.C. § 1471-1474; 26 U.S.C. § 6038D]. As discussed below, FATCA is an invasive, costly failure that I strongly suggest must be repealed at the soonest possible opportunity, hopefully in the context of tax reform enacted this year. In addition, the means adopted during the tenures of your predecessors Jack Lew and Timothy Geithner to implement FATCA via a series of legally dubious and constitutionally infirm non-treaty agreements with other countries must not be allowed to stand. I ask your assistance in assuring that FATCA repeal is part of any relevant legislation, and that the Treasury Department takes prompt action to cease the implementation of FATCA via Intergovernmental Agreements (IGAs).
FATCA’s proponents claim that it is simply a “transparency” measure – similar to a domestic 1099 – to ensure greater tax compliance for assets held offshore. This characterization is misplaced. Domestic tax law requires reporting of taxable events, such as income (a W-2 Wage and Tax Statement) or bank interest (a 1 099-INT). U.S. law, based on a presumption of innocence, does not generally require inquiry into asset principle unless there is reason to suspect wrong-doing. By contrast, FATCA requires wholesale reporting of Americans’ assets and transaction history absent any such suspicion, solely because the asset is held outside the United States. This is despite the fact that the IRS’s own Taxpayer Advocate Service reports that “the vast majority” of Americans residing abroad “actually appear to be substantially more compliant than a comparable portion of the overall U.S. taxpayer population.”
Despite such an invasion of privacy, FATCA has failed in its stated purpose of recovering revenue lost to offshore tax evasion. Last year the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) credited FATCA for “collecting” $10 billion from “taxpayers coming back into compliance, ,2 but that figure conflates genuine tax revenues with penalties for filing deficiencies and recoveries from all offshore enforcement programs, not just FATCA. In the estimate of Professor William H. Byrnes of Texas A&M University School of Law, the real net tax recovery of FATCA alone is about $200 million annually and may be only half of that. Professor Byrnes projects that FATCA may “soon cost more money than it brings in.”‘ Indeed, his view may actually be overly optimistic in light of the IRS’s commendable enforcement standard of recovering seven dollars for every dollar spent.4
By contrast, because of the IRS’s need to try to discern indicators of evasion within a sea of indiscriminate personal information belonging to non-evaders, W. Gavin Ekins of the nonpartisan Tax Foundation suggests that, under FATCA, finding “a dollar of tax evasion may cost us $5 of actually sifting through the data and compliance costs.”5 FATCA’s unsatisfactory ratio of return must also be weighed against the impact on taxpayers saddled with burdensome reporting paperwork. The Tax Foundation estimated in 2016 that these requirements cost individuals nearly four and half million hours and more than $165 million,6 an amount comparable to FATCA’s likely proceeds. This does not even take into count the massive compliance costs imposed 011 financial institutions.
The above summarizes the good and sufficient reasons why FATCA must be repealed and enforcement dollars spent on more effective programs to detect and punish actual tax evasion. While your support for that effort will be appreciated, it is a task primarily of Congress. But I now turn to a matter almost entirely within your purview, on which I ask your prompt and decisive action. This relates to IGAs invented by the Department in consultation with five European governments for the purpose of enforcing FATCA.
While the IGAs read like treaties and have the effect of treaties in purporting to create mutual obligations between sovereign states they are not submitted to the United States Senate for that body’s advice and consent to their ratification, though the non-U.S. “partner” country is required to do so under its necessary internal procedures for entry into force. In July 2013, I wrote7 to Secretary Lew with a specific request for the statutory authority for the IGAs. The Department responded, after a delay of nearly a year, with the following statutory justification: 8
“The United States relies, among other things, on the following authorities to enter into and implement the IGAs: 22 USC Section 2656; Internal Revenue Code Sections 1471, 1474(f), 6011, and 6103(k)(4) and Subtitle F, Chapter 61, Subchapter A, Part III, Subpart B (Information Concerning Transactions with Other Persons).”
None of the sections cited above confers on the Treasury Department any authority for making agreements with foreign governments for the furnishing of private financial information. In particular, there is nothing in the cited sections that allows the Department to promise (under the so-called “Model 1″ IGA) on behalf of the United States FATCA-”equivalent” reporting to foreign tax services of private information obtained from domestic American financial institutions. Following through with this unauthorized promise would impose on American banks, credit unions, insurance companies, and other institutions crushing compliance costs of the magnitude already suffered by foreign institutions – costs that would inevitably be passed on to American consumers.
The IGAs represent a prime example of the kind of executive overreach that unfortunately typified the previous administration. I ask you to rein in this abuse by ceasing the negotiation of new IGAs and freezing the implementation of existing ones. This action should include a freeze on enforcement of FATCA regulations on taxpayers and financial institutions. Further, I ask that you notify IGA jurisdictions that these dubious pseudo-treaties are under legal review and that their nullification or abrogation from the U.S. side can be expected pending FATCA’s anticipated repeal.
Nothing in the foregoing should be construed in any way as being “soft” on tax evasion. Quite to the contrary, in addition to its other flaws FATCA is a distraction and a diversion of resources from effective tax enforcement based on standard investigatory techniques. As a member of the Financial Services Committee I look forward to working with the Department on measures to ensure effective tax enforcement that targets the guilty, without penalizing the innocent or
compromising our cherished American constitutional and legal norms. In the meantime, FATCA and the IGAs must go.
Thank you for your assistance on this critical matter.
Service, 2016 Annual Report to Congress, Vol. 1; “FOREIGN ACCOUNT TAX COMPLIANCE ACT (FATCA): The IRS’s Approach to International Tax Administration Unnecessarily Burdens Impacted Parties, Wastes Resources, and Fails to Protect Taxpayer Rights,” page 221; See:https://taxpayeradvocate.irs.gov/Media/Default/Documents/2016-ARC/ARC16 Volumel MSP 16 FATCA.pdf
2 IRS press release, “Offshore Voluntary Compliance Efforts Top $10 Billion; More Than 100,000 Taxpayers Come Back into Compliance,” Oct. 21, 2016; See: https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/offshore-voluntarv-comphance-efforts-top-10-billion-more-than-100000-taxpayers-come-back-into-compliance
3 “Background and Current Status of FATCA” Texas A&M University School of Law Legal Studies Research Paper No. 17-31, pages 1-34, 35; See: https://paers.ssrn.com/soI3/papers.cfm?abstract id=2926 119
4 IRS press release, “National Taxpayer Advocate Delivers Annual Report to Congress; Focuses on Tax Reform, IRS Funding and Identity Theft,” Jan. 9, 2013; See: https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/national-taxpayer-aclvocate-delivers-2012-annual-report-to-congress
5 “Why Americans are giving up citizenship in record numbers,” Washington Post, June 1; 2016: See:
6 Tax Foundation, “The Compliance Costs of IRS Regulations,” June 15, 2016; See: https://taxfoundation.org/compliance-costs-irs-regulations/
7 See: http://www.repealfatca.com/downloads/Posev letter to Sec. Lew July 1, 2013.pdf
8 See: http://federaltaxcrimes.blogspot.com/2014/07/irs-letter-to-congressman-defending-its.html
For a definitive section-by-section demolition of the Department’s response, see Professor Allison Christians, McGill University Faculty of Law, “IRS claims statutory authority for FATCA agreements where no such authority exists,” http://taxpol.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/irs-claims-statutory-authority-for.html
@ Harrison
Yes, I am hoping that they will come to their senses and see that this will work against money coming back to the US as many covered expats will resent a 40% tax being applied and they will find other uses for their money or their kids will also decide to renounce!
Did you know that you can gift a larger amount to your US kids over the $15,000/year, it would come from the lifetime gift tax exemption (the amount you can give them when you die).
https://www.thebalance.com/gift-tax-exclusion-annual-exclusion-vs-lifetime-exemption-3505656
@ Plaxy
Cat 2 Swiss banks report accounts directly to the IRS.
Someone did sue a bank for freezing his account, he won, it was unfrozen.
Partial State banks such as Post Finance (was a post office bank) by law have to allow bank account to all Swiss residents. Account costs are higher to US persons.
“Cat 2 Swiss banks report accounts directly to the IRS.”
Exactly. Hence they’re legally responsible for their action and might get sued by a wrongly-reported accountholder. That might explain why they were ready to accept a receipt as proof of non-USP status.
Whereas under IGA 1 the banks are only reporting to the local tax agency as required by law. They have no incentive to do anything other than tick the boxes as required by local law, which does not require them to accept a receipt (or for that matter a CLN) as proof of NRA status.
@plaxy
Cat 2 banks have much more to fear (30%withold)from the IRS for accepting and not reporting a US person.
Have there been reports of banks not accepting cln as proof of NRA status?
My bank locked me out of my account. They wouldn’t even look at my CLN. I thought surely they must be breaking the law. I thought they were obliged to apply the “cure” for the crime of having been born in the United States. I was wrong.
They did unfreeze the account but still demanded my SSN, which I refused to give them. I’ve no idea whether the account is being reported.
That’s one experience in one bank in one country. May be different elsewhere.
“Cat 2 banks have much more to fear (30%withold)from the IRS for accepting and not reporting a US person.“
Yes but a person with a renunciation receipt is not a US citizen and therefore not a USP unless the bank has reason to suspect that they are. Therefore the person has rights which the bank would have to be wary of transgressing.
Not that it matters. It’s good that the Swiss banks accepted receipts, whatever the reason for their readiness to do so.
@plaxy
I guess it depends on when you renounced. They were legally bound to report accounts from whenever Fatca started, perhaps they were trying to play catch up?
Hope you switched banks.
Heidi – Yes, I was forced by their software into the pre-existing account screening and barred from my account automatically once I answered the birthplace question.
That’s not the issue. The issue is their refusal to apply the “cure”.
“Hope you switched banks.”
Certainly not. I moved all incoming payments to a different bank except for my one US-source payment (SS). I’d like to think it worries them but I’m sure they don’t even notice. It’s just for my own satisfaction.
Would they have applied the cure if you had given them your ssn? I presume they needed it to back report past years when you were still a US citizen?
My Swiss Bank tried to make me sign a non privacy agreement even though they had my cln( I had renounced back in 2012 , pre Fatca) and I also had an EU birthplace. I told them what they were asking contravened my EU privacy rights and to go to hell. That’s the last I heard from them.
“Would they have applied the cure if you had given them your ssn? I presume they needed it to back report past years when you were still a US citizen?“
Who knows? Or cares? That’s not the issue. The issue is that they’re not required to apply the cure.
“My Swiss Bank tried to make me sign a non privacy agreement even though they had my cln( I had renounced back in 2012 , pre Fatca) and I also had an EU birthplace. I told them what they were asking contravened my EU privacy rights and to go to hell. That’s the last I heard from them.”
Quite right. Whereas under the Model 1 IGA the customer has no such right, even after renunciation.
The IGA is there to protect the bank from the customer and US tax law; achieved by the Partner Country stripping the customer of his/her right to sue and the US conceding exemption from withholding.
Not sure where you are but doesn’t EU law guarentee a bank account to any EU resident?
Only a basic payment account. Money in, money out. No interest, no credit.
What is interest:-)
Just thinking the one good thing about being in Switzerland is that we were all forewarned by bank closures about what was coming down the pipeline re Fatca. I used to get sent chocolate at Christmas by my bank then I get sent a closure letter!
🙂
It must also be so very sad to have to deny an essential part of yourself, a birthright.
I do not feel this so much as I am essentially European but much of my working life was spent in the US. It has given me a great deal and it is such a sad end to what should have been an exciting and enriching story. 🙁
Time to move on.
“It must also be so very sad to have to deny an essential part of yourself, a birthright.
I do not feel this so much as I am essentially European but much of my working life was spent in the US.”
For me it’s the other way around. The US was always a scary place for me. I’ve spent my working life in my adopted country and I’ve been happy here. When I learned about CBT/FATCA , I was shocked and horrified to find the US might have the power to invade my life after so many years of safety and security; but not at all surprised that they would do it if they could. That’s what they do.
Renunciation = liberation. 🙂
“Time to move on.”
Yep.
In Belgium banks now take US Persons, following action by the antidiscrimination agency which basically led to Deutsche Bank apologizing and taking back customers. I’m pretty certain they’ll open normal savings and “checking” accounts, issue bank cards, etc. What they may avoid are mutual funds. Belgian retirement accounts are non reportable per the IGA. So to be truthful, it’s possible to bank in Belgium, but one has to fill in the form. I only have preexisting accounts which are low value. One bank has asked for info, which I ignore, the other has not. They all have my electronic ID card on record, so they know my birthplace. I have no idea if they’ve reported me to the Belgian Gov, but if they did it’s without knowledge of my US SSN. If they did report a non reportable account, does the local Govt look and see what is then reportable to the IRS per the IGA? I don’t know. (ex: a bank decides to report your $5000 balance to your local Gov. Does that local Gov just forward that to the IRS, or does it judge, hey, that’s not meeting the reporting threshold, we’ll ignore it?) Does anybody know if governments receiving bank info under FATCA use it, treat it, process it, analyze it in any way, for their own use, and do they judge if things are reportable or not, or do they just dump the whole thing to the IRS?
“it’s possible to bank in Belgium, but one has to fill in the form. ”
Yes this is the case for all IGA 1 countries. The banks have nothing to fear from having USCs as long as they get the SSN.
“If they did report a non reportable account, does the local Govt look and see what is then reportable to the IRS per the IGA?”
I wish I knew whether the local tax agency reports everything or filters out some accounts before sending the rest to the US.
But in any case, having a low-value account reported probably can’t cause problems to the accountholder, assuming they’re not criminals. It’s being refused normal access to certain kinds of accounts that causes the problems.
@plaxy not true exactly. Many local banks in HK being a Model 1 IGA country are now denying opening up accounts for US citizens. Brokers would also reject you if one of your passport happens to be from USA. Tried some other countries too but was rejected being a US citizen. The banks are scared of a slight taint of US citizenship and would like to show you the door discrmination on the basis of national origin or ID. I was in DBS HK earlier and one look at my application and they said thanks but plz take your business somewhere else. Same situation with CITIC, HSBC and I am a resident of HK.
Note that the IGA doesn’t say low-value accounts are not reportable. It says banks can opt not to report them.
“not true exactly. Many local banks in HK being a Model 1 IGA country are now denying opening up accounts for US citizens. Brokers would also reject you if one of your passport happens to be from USA. ”
Yes. Under IGA 1 the banks can choose whether to make an account available to USCs. That’s what I said: that’s the problem.
@Harrison
EU law now guarentees a simple account to any EU resident. Maybe HK law does not. Trying to open an account elsewhere ie the EU would not work if you were not a resident there.
@plaxy
As someone here once said, much simpler to write the software to report all accounts than that to discern value.
Heidi – yes. I imagine most banks would choose to ignore the threshold. And IF the local tax agency does any filtering, I doubt if they’d be filtering out the low-value accounts.
It’s probably the IRS that would like to have the low-value accounts excluded for them, to cut down on the junk. They must be drowning in useless reports. I certainly hope so.
“It’s probably the IRS that would like to have the low-value accounts excluded for them, to cut down on the junk. They must be drowning in useless reports. I certainly hope so.”
What a delightful thought.
Why would anyone want a job like that, stealing from your fellow citizens, do you think they are paid commission?