Last September, due to the efforts of Suzanne Herman,
Representative Bill Posey (R-FL) sent an
excellent letter to Treasury Secretary Mnuchin,
asking him to deal with #FATCA.
This post included the text of the letter and some 60+ comments from Brockers. What Rep. Posey received is a stark contrast to the expectation expressed in this comment:
Bubblebustin says
October 16, 2017 at 2:12 pm@plaxy
According to RO on its FB page:
“At Republicans Overseas’ request, RNC Co-Chairman Bob Paduchik personally delivered Rep. Mark Meadows’ and Sen. Rand Paul’s joint letter on the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act to Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin’s office. Secretary Mnuchin is fully aware that 9 million overseas Americans have been suffering under FATCA tyranny.
As a result, FATCA is included in the 2nd Report to the President on Identifying and Reducing Tax Regulatory Burdens by the Treasury (https://www.treasury.gov/press-center/press-releases/Documents/2018-03004_Tax_EO_report.pdf).
In the report to the President recommending actions to eliminate or mitigate burdens imposed on taxpayers by eight specific tax regulations, the Treasury indicated that it is considering possible reforms of regulations issued pursuant to FATCA. Thank you Co-Chairman Bob-Paduchick.”
This is the response Rep. Posey received from the Treasury Department:
November 8, 2017
The Honorable Bill Posey
U.S. House of Representatives Washington, DC 20515
Dear Representative Posey:
Thank you for your letter regarding the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA). As you are aware, Congress passed FATCA legislation in 2010 to strengthen the integrity of the U.S. voluntary tax compliance system and to combat the use of foreign financial accounts and foreign entities to facilitate tax evasion. FATCA provides the IRS with information about U.S. taxpayers’ use of foreign financial accounts and certain higher-risk foreign entities, so that these foreign accounts and investments are subject to disclosure to the IRS, similar to the disclosures for accounts and investments held or made inside the United States that the IRS already receives.
Between 2010 and 2012, the Treasury Department and the IRS issued a series of notices and other published guidance setting forth proposed rules under the FATCA statutes and, after extensive engagement with stakeholders, issued final regulations in 2013 that phased in the implementation of the new information reporting regime. Additional FATCA guidance has subsequently been issued to respond to stakeholder comments and to coordinate the information reporting regime with preexisting information and withholding tax regimes under the Internal Revenue Code. Concurrent with the work on developing the FATCA regulations, the intergovernmental agreement (IGA) approach was developed in collaboration with other governments as an alternative way to implement the information reporting objectives of FATCA that would remove legal impediments under local law and reduce administrative burdens for foreign financial institutions where appropriate. Congress has authorized the exchange of tax information with foreign governments pursuant to bilateral executive agreements, and information regarding financial accounts is relevant to tax administration.
The Treasury Department has identified FATCA as a potential area for regulatory burden reduction pursuant to Executive Order 13777. The Treasury Department and the IRS are engaged with taxpayers and other constituents regarding ways to reduce unnecessary burdens from FATCA compliance. In this regard, we have recently provided relief to financial institutions by providing them additional time to collect taxpayer identification numbers to be included in reporting under FATCA and the IGAs.
The Treasury Department and the IRS will continue to work closely with all interested
stakeholders to implement FATCA in a manner that appropriately balances the compliance objectives of the statute with the burdens that it imposes.
We appreciate your continued attention to FATCA and look forward to working with you as these discussions continue. If you have additional questions, please contact Bradley Bailey, Office of Legislative Affairs, at (202) 622-1900.
Sincerely,
Drew Maloney
Assistant Secretary for Legislative Affairs
One would think a member of Congress would be important enough to receive a response from Secretary Mnuchin himself.
For your convenience in determining the value of Treasury’s letter, the original letter from Rep. Posey follows.
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September 29, 2017
The Honorable Steven Mnuchin
Secretary of the U.S. Department of the Treasury
1500 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW Washington, DC 20220
Dear Secretary Mnuchin,
I am writing to you regarding the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA) [26. U.S.C. § 1471-1474; 26 U.S.C. § 6038D]. As discussed below, FATCA is an invasive, costly failure that I strongly suggest must be repealed at the soonest possible opportunity, hopefully in the context of tax reform enacted this year. In addition, the means adopted during the tenures of your predecessors Jack Lew and Timothy Geithner to implement FATCA via a series of legally dubious and constitutionally infirm non-treaty agreements with other countries must not be allowed to stand. I ask your assistance in assuring that FATCA repeal is part of any relevant legislation, and that the Treasury Department takes prompt action to cease the implementation of FATCA via Intergovernmental Agreements (IGAs).
FATCA’s proponents claim that it is simply a “transparency” measure – similar to a domestic 1099 – to ensure greater tax compliance for assets held offshore. This characterization is misplaced. Domestic tax law requires reporting of taxable events, such as income (a W-2 Wage and Tax Statement) or bank interest (a 1 099-INT). U.S. law, based on a presumption of innocence, does not generally require inquiry into asset principle unless there is reason to suspect wrong-doing. By contrast, FATCA requires wholesale reporting of Americans’ assets and transaction history absent any such suspicion, solely because the asset is held outside the United States. This is despite the fact that the IRS’s own Taxpayer Advocate Service reports that “the vast majority” of Americans residing abroad “actually appear to be substantially more compliant than a comparable portion of the overall U.S. taxpayer population.”
Despite such an invasion of privacy, FATCA has failed in its stated purpose of recovering revenue lost to offshore tax evasion. Last year the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) credited FATCA for “collecting” $10 billion from “taxpayers coming back into compliance, ,2 but that figure conflates genuine tax revenues with penalties for filing deficiencies and recoveries from all offshore enforcement programs, not just FATCA. In the estimate of Professor William H. Byrnes of Texas A&M University School of Law, the real net tax recovery of FATCA alone is about $200 million annually and may be only half of that. Professor Byrnes projects that FATCA may “soon cost more money than it brings in.”‘ Indeed, his view may actually be overly optimistic in light of the IRS’s commendable enforcement standard of recovering seven dollars for every dollar spent.4
By contrast, because of the IRS’s need to try to discern indicators of evasion within a sea of indiscriminate personal information belonging to non-evaders, W. Gavin Ekins of the nonpartisan Tax Foundation suggests that, under FATCA, finding “a dollar of tax evasion may cost us $5 of actually sifting through the data and compliance costs.”5 FATCA’s unsatisfactory ratio of return must also be weighed against the impact on taxpayers saddled with burdensome reporting paperwork. The Tax Foundation estimated in 2016 that these requirements cost individuals nearly four and half million hours and more than $165 million,6 an amount comparable to FATCA’s likely proceeds. This does not even take into count the massive compliance costs imposed 011 financial institutions.
The above summarizes the good and sufficient reasons why FATCA must be repealed and enforcement dollars spent on more effective programs to detect and punish actual tax evasion. While your support for that effort will be appreciated, it is a task primarily of Congress. But I now turn to a matter almost entirely within your purview, on which I ask your prompt and decisive action. This relates to IGAs invented by the Department in consultation with five European governments for the purpose of enforcing FATCA.
While the IGAs read like treaties and have the effect of treaties in purporting to create mutual obligations between sovereign states they are not submitted to the United States Senate for that body’s advice and consent to their ratification, though the non-U.S. “partner” country is required to do so under its necessary internal procedures for entry into force. In July 2013, I wrote7 to Secretary Lew with a specific request for the statutory authority for the IGAs. The Department responded, after a delay of nearly a year, with the following statutory justification: 8
“The United States relies, among other things, on the following authorities to enter into and implement the IGAs: 22 USC Section 2656; Internal Revenue Code Sections 1471, 1474(f), 6011, and 6103(k)(4) and Subtitle F, Chapter 61, Subchapter A, Part III, Subpart B (Information Concerning Transactions with Other Persons).”
None of the sections cited above confers on the Treasury Department any authority for making agreements with foreign governments for the furnishing of private financial information. In particular, there is nothing in the cited sections that allows the Department to promise (under the so-called “Model 1″ IGA) on behalf of the United States FATCA-”equivalent” reporting to foreign tax services of private information obtained from domestic American financial institutions. Following through with this unauthorized promise would impose on American banks, credit unions, insurance companies, and other institutions crushing compliance costs of the magnitude already suffered by foreign institutions – costs that would inevitably be passed on to American consumers.
The IGAs represent a prime example of the kind of executive overreach that unfortunately typified the previous administration. I ask you to rein in this abuse by ceasing the negotiation of new IGAs and freezing the implementation of existing ones. This action should include a freeze on enforcement of FATCA regulations on taxpayers and financial institutions. Further, I ask that you notify IGA jurisdictions that these dubious pseudo-treaties are under legal review and that their nullification or abrogation from the U.S. side can be expected pending FATCA’s anticipated repeal.
Nothing in the foregoing should be construed in any way as being “soft” on tax evasion. Quite to the contrary, in addition to its other flaws FATCA is a distraction and a diversion of resources from effective tax enforcement based on standard investigatory techniques. As a member of the Financial Services Committee I look forward to working with the Department on measures to ensure effective tax enforcement that targets the guilty, without penalizing the innocent or
compromising our cherished American constitutional and legal norms. In the meantime, FATCA and the IGAs must go.
Thank you for your assistance on this critical matter.
Service, 2016 Annual Report to Congress, Vol. 1; “FOREIGN ACCOUNT TAX COMPLIANCE ACT (FATCA): The IRS’s Approach to International Tax Administration Unnecessarily Burdens Impacted Parties, Wastes Resources, and Fails to Protect Taxpayer Rights,” page 221; See:https://taxpayeradvocate.irs.gov/Media/Default/Documents/2016-ARC/ARC16 Volumel MSP 16 FATCA.pdf
2 IRS press release, “Offshore Voluntary Compliance Efforts Top $10 Billion; More Than 100,000 Taxpayers Come Back into Compliance,” Oct. 21, 2016; See: https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/offshore-voluntarv-comphance-efforts-top-10-billion-more-than-100000-taxpayers-come-back-into-compliance
3 “Background and Current Status of FATCA” Texas A&M University School of Law Legal Studies Research Paper No. 17-31, pages 1-34, 35; See: https://paers.ssrn.com/soI3/papers.cfm?abstract id=2926 119
4 IRS press release, “National Taxpayer Advocate Delivers Annual Report to Congress; Focuses on Tax Reform, IRS Funding and Identity Theft,” Jan. 9, 2013; See: https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/national-taxpayer-aclvocate-delivers-2012-annual-report-to-congress
5 “Why Americans are giving up citizenship in record numbers,” Washington Post, June 1; 2016: See:
6 Tax Foundation, “The Compliance Costs of IRS Regulations,” June 15, 2016; See: https://taxfoundation.org/compliance-costs-irs-regulations/
7 See: http://www.repealfatca.com/downloads/Posev letter to Sec. Lew July 1, 2013.pdf
8 See: http://federaltaxcrimes.blogspot.com/2014/07/irs-letter-to-congressman-defending-its.html
For a definitive section-by-section demolition of the Department’s response, see Professor Allison Christians, McGill University Faculty of Law, “IRS claims statutory authority for FATCA agreements where no such authority exists,” http://taxpol.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/irs-claims-statutory-authority-for.html
Thank you for the comprehensive post, Trish.
Sorry for the delay in posting Treasury’s response, but I was unaware of it until only today.
Congressman Posey’s Legislative Director is furious with the response Mr Posey got for his efforts. As a Member of Congress he deserves more than a canned response, or as she said, a “non-response” (sound familiar?) She says Treasury doesn’t want to deal with FATCA because they don’t have the resources to and “there’s no strategic value” in enforcing it. They don’t know what their policies are on FATCA yet.
So why is it still on the books harming innocent Americans?
From the letter:
“We appreciate your continued attention to FATCA and look forward to working with you as these discussions continue. If you have additional questions, please contact Bradley Bailey, Office of Legislative Affairs, at (202) 622-1900.”
I plan to call Mr Bailey and ask, and I encourage others to do so too.
Interesting. One statistic that sort of fits into that: in 2016, the IRS imposed only $60,000 worth of initial penalties, and $0 of continuation penalties, for failure to file FATCA Form 8938. (In contrast, they imposed $700 million worth of initial penalties for failure to file Form 3520.) See table at page 9:
https://web.archive.org/web/20180111083648/https://taxpayeradvocate.irs.gov/Media/Default/Documents/2017-ARC/ARC17_Volume1_LR_07_InternationalPenalties.pdf
Nomad Capitalist has a good video explaining why they will never get rid of CBT. To summarize, basically because anyone who votes for repealing CBT, FATCA, etc will be labelled “fat cat” and “cozy with the overseas rich guys, etc”
“the U.S. voluntary tax compliance system”
You know what happens to taxpayers who quote the US Treasury on this? They get called tax protestors and get socked with penalties, the same as the US does to people who write honest declarations.
“combat the use of foreign financial accounts and foreign entities to facilitate tax evasion”
Well of course, that’s what US financial accounts and US entities are supposed to be used for. In fact those are foreign to most of us. Someone remind me who’s combatting them?
“after extensive engagement with stakeholders, issued final regulations in 2013”
Except for nine million stakeholders (soon to be zero of course, except for those who can fly under the radar).
In summary, for those that don’t want to read the whole thing:
Dear Congressman,
Drop dead.
Yours,
The Treasury
“Talk to the hand”.
infuriating.
They hate FATCA, they can’t get rid of it, and they hate having to own it.
If I was mister Posey, I would be incandescent with rage.
His points raised have been completely ignored and he’s sent a letter telling him what FATCA is and what it’s intended to do. I suspect he’s one very angry man indeed. I know that phone number would be getting a hammering if I were he.
And if this is the response received by a congressman in the USA, is it any wonder that the two letter I have written to UK MP’s were ignored completely?
The US government would appear to be completely dysfunctional and incapable of doing the right thing.
A nonresponse indeed. If nothing is done before the midterms and the GOP messes up its majorities things won’t be movin’ for a while. That said, the letter does not seem to me to be a fervent defense of FATCA, but more like prudent administrative prose. The fact that it comes from a lower level official than the Secretary himself may be voluntary, a type of CYA and not wanting to get into this debate, signaling discomfort. This may be good, and probably just means we should step up the pressure. If they are unwilling to shut the door on this debate, that means we have a foot in that door. Trying to be optimistic here! Wondering if the G.W. Bush administration would have been more receptive to this.
Fred(B): “the letter does not seem to me to be a fervent defense of FATCA, but more like prudent administrative prose.”
I agree. Or frustrated administrative prose.
“They hate FATCA, they can’t get rid of it, and they hate having to own it.”
I think you’re right. How do they repeal this without looking like they are, again, just bailing out their rich friends and supporting tax evading traitors? They know full well that this is a dog that needs putting down, but given that it’s mostly the rest of the world paying and who cares if a few overseas Americans are collateral damage anyways?
And it would be embarrassing not just because the Democrats are going to have a field day, but they are going to look like fools in the eyes of those they have forced to play along, or else. What a bloody fools errand this has been and continues to be.
That letter though is deeply insulting.
Let’s face it, other countries have accepted FATCA in lieu of CRS by the skin of its teeth, if they overturn Fatca the US will then be forced to face CRS or be placed on the tax evader list.
They hate FATCA because it interferes with the loophole game their finances and the finances of their wealthy donors depend on. They certainly aren’t worried about a bunch of non-wealthy mostly-non-voters.
FATCA as enacted was unenforceable due to local data protection laws. Signing the IGAs, and nullifying the withholding threat, handed over enforcement to partner countries.
They’ve largely lost control, and can’t come up with the required loopholes to keep the donors sweet.
Heidi – indeed, and the other rich countries have prepared for that moment (when the US drops FATCA and signs up to CRS) by adopting the Wider Approach.
First of all, the statement about “the integrity of the U.S. voluntary tax compliance system” is a real humdinger on multiple levels. What integrity, when the IRS works on antiquated computers and its data has been breached multiple times due to sub-standard security and oversight? And since when is tax compliance voluntary?! I am currently in the throes of doing my final filing, including the exit tax form. Glad to know that I’m doing it purely of my own volition because I’m such a nice guy.
Secondly, is Mr. Maloney’s remark that “Congress has authorized the exchange of tax information with foreign governments pursuant to the bilateral executive agreements, and information regarding financial accounts is relevant to tax administration” not a blatant lie? Rep. Posey said as much in his letter when he pointed out the fact that the IGAs should probably be nullified due to the lack of any legislation which “confers on the Treasury Department any authority for making agreements with foreign governments for the furnishing of private financial information”. Congress never authorized anything, or am I wrong?
@Mike
“The US government would appear to be completely dysfunctional and incapable of doing the right thing.”
That pretty well sums it up…..and the dysfunction now starts at the very top.
As for repealing FATCA, they easily could do it if they weren’t so dysfunctional. They could avoid any bad optics simply by tacking the repeal onto the end of some other totally unrelated bill. As I recall, that’s how it got passed in the first place. To this day, most people have never heard of FATCA and its quiet disappearance would be a non-event.
I dont think that they hate FATCA at all. They LOVE it. It`s power pure over other people and other countries and has everybody bent over backwards to comply with their wishes. Which is possibly why they continuously ignore all the complaints. If FATCA had no merit, I dont think they would have a real problem with getting rid of it and I am pretty sure they could do it without losing face. They twist the facts and play with perceptions all the time. The question of having to comply with CRS is a huge factor. And perhaps all the monies brought into America instead of Switzerland is worth even more than the taxes they collect. It certainly made Switzerland a wealthy country.
And remember: they are homelanders. They aren’t affected like expats. And they are getting all this information about foreign bank accounts. He says so. What could be sweeter? I am pretty sure the NSA is continuously spying on others as well, they just do it secretly now that they were ordered not to. America is a war machine. Trump isn’t trying to be friends with the rest of the world anymore. He is doing what about 50% of America wanted and that is using their POWER over others to maintain their leadership. Trump is down the path of cutting subventions to other countries right and left. No more aid and America is stupid for having protected others for free. And under these circumstances such financial information becomes increasingly important when facing so many enemies. The allies are dwindling.
Perhaps the only reason other countries finally abandoned CBT was because it was unenforcible in the past. The internet changed all that, and I dont see anybody giving up a large taxable population without a fight either, and the bottom line is that expats have no clout. There is nothing to barter with except renouncing. But I think there might be other invisible benefits to FATCA that play are large roll. Maybe we should examine those to understand why everything we say falls on deaf ears?
@maz57
Yes, a non event at the time but what of the aftermath? Without FATCA would they not feel pressured into CRS and have to give up Delaware etc or be put on the world tax haven list. Fatca is their excuse for not joining crs.
TRUE NPD in CHARGE.
Having sit-down with fortunate AU children now.
“And remember: they are homelanders. They aren’t affected like expats.”
Indeed not. For US-resident USCs, only offshore accounts get reported.
“Perhaps the only reason other countries finally abandoned CBT was because it was unenforcible in the past. The internet changed all that”
CBT is still unenforceable.
“CBT is still unenforceable.”
Yup, and I take great personal satisfaction in being living. breathing proof of that. The governments of other countries that eventually got rid of CBT were sensible and pragmatic. The US government is neither.
Unenforceable, perhaps but nasty enough to cause an absolute maelstrom in so many families. Mine refuse to even try to understand why I gave up ‘the best citizenship in the world’.
Boy they sure do a good job in brainwashing.
“Unenforceable, perhaps but nasty enough to cause an absolute maelstrom in so many families.”
Yes, very nasty. But it would be even worse if they were able to carry out their threats and “requirements.”
@Polly
The Philippines and Vietnam gave it up because they wanted to improve their relationships with their diasporas. It turns out CBT isn’t good for this relationship.