A new article by Robert Wood highlighting the disparity between IRS and FBI renunciation lists. The Isaac Brock Society is name-checked for its pioneering role in tracking and flagging the inconsistencies in this data. Here’s an excerpt:
The FBI and the IRS don’t agree, yet both are ostensibly tracking the same data: how Americans are giving up their citizenship. For several years, a historical trickle of renunciations of U.S. citizenship has spiked materially. The trickle is now more of an open faucet, though one difficulty in determining the flow is available data. The IRS publishes a list, but many people who have expatriated claim their names are never on the IRS list.
Each three months, there is a public name and shame list published by the Treasury Department based on information from the IRS. The list each quarter is incomplete so the numbers are under-stated, some say considerably. For example, consular expatriations where people do not file exit tax forms with the IRS are apparently not counted. Indeed, the Treasury Department’s published list states explicitly that this is just a list of those about whom the Secretary of the Treasury has data. Statistics are also not available for why people say good-bye.
Now, a new report flagged by Paul Caron backs up the claim that the IRS is undercounting Americans who are renouncing citizenship. The report quotes extensively from Andrew Mitchel, an attorney who specializes in renunciations. Mr. Mitchel compares IRS and FBI data and says the gap between the two sets of figures is significant. Mr. Mitchel credits Canada’s Isaac Brock Society for beginning to track the FBI data in 2013.
@Innocente: thanks for keeping up with this & the Federal Register list, I’ve been kinda busy this month.
Saved the October 2015 NICS report at the Internet Archive, leaving the link here so I don’t forget it.
https://web.archive.org/web/20151103174331/https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/active_records_in_the_nics-index.pdf
@Just a Canadian: ah, I remember you were asking about it a few weeks ago, glad to hear the good news
Oh wait, that was Joe Zinga, never mind
FBI NICS added 479 renunciations to its running count in December 2015. For full-year 2015, FBI NICS added 5,426, making 2015 a big year for renunciations and nearly 2,000 more than 2014. As always, FBI NICS records do not included relinquishments.
Recap of renunciations per FBI NICS records:
2012: 1,752
2013: 3,128
2014: 3,433
2015: 5,426
I renunicated at the end of Sept15 and gave up the Nexus card. I subsequently re-applied for a Nexus card. Canadian Border Services indicated that the American Border service would not approve my Nexus application, which is funny because the only situation that changed was that I had renounced.
Any tips on how to obtain a Nexus card?
@swe
Have you received a CLN yet? Your renunciation is not complete until they issue you one.
@Innocente
Thanks for the count. Always nice to hear of an increase in renunciations. Gee, I can’t fathom what the US Gov and IRS personnel think is causing this exodus from the US citizenship.
5,426 renunciations in 2015 x $2,350 US = $12,751,100 US
Let that sink in.
If this is not profiting off those outside the US, I don’t know what is.
This administration has a little red book Saul Alinsky, an avowed Communist, wrote called,”Rules for Radicals”. In it he quoted a large amount of the Marxist Communist Manifesto. All adherents are required to tell blatant lies. Black is white, truth is lie, never let a crisis go by without using it even if there is no relationship to the subject at hand. Always laugh at your enemies when they make a truthful point. Hold them up to ridicule.
This administration will spin the renouncements in a way to make it look like only millionaire citizens are fleeing to tax havens, when we know very well that the tax law is affecting 99% ordinary world citizens who happen to be U.S. persons by their definitions.
They spin everything to be the fault of someone else and they especially pick on the victims of their Marxist Folly. It failed all over the world and they are hell bent on trying it again here in the U.S. using the Marxist Tax plan to achieve redistribution of the wealth to those who will not, by their past behavior, do anything but use it up and then nobody has anything.
It is like a farmer distributing the seed corn he needs to plant a new crop of corn, to the poor and homeless and then nobody eats next year.
Yeah, I was raised on a farm and we know we need the seeds to plant. Seeds, in finance is money saved by us all in every private investment you can think of, so even a small savings acct is a capitalist idea, because the bank loans to capitalists for their short term needs and to keep the factories going and expanding.
The IRS expatriation honor roll for 4Q 2015 is available, listing 1,060 newly-freed ex-Americans:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2016-02312.pdf
The IRS total of renunciations, relinquishments and ostensibly long-term green card abandonments for 2015 is 4,281. This compares to the FBI running list of 5,426 of renunciations only for 2015, suggesting the IRS continues to undercount.
Thank-you Innocente.
Still no Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson listed there yet.
It isn’t on purpose that their numbers don’t agree. They are just that uninterested in the truth. They are too busy hounding those who do file a return and pay taxes. they know a third of people with taxable income will not file a return nor will they pay taxes. The non filers list as a blind number, grows every year because the source of their income is hidden from view using cash transactions. They file a sales tax return in their state and ignore the duty to file a federal return.
The only way to stop it is the FairTax, where everyone pays as they spend. The poor will get a prebate before the month starts and with buying used goods they will be untaxed and start to live as productive citizens and leaves the expats alone.