[This is from the September 14 2015 Tax Blog on www.taxconnections.com]
“How To Live Outside The United States In An FBAR And FATCA World” by John Richardson
“When in Rome, live as a Homelander” does, when elsewhere, live as they live elsewhere.
Introduction:
Americans abroad are constantly told that they should “come clean”. They should file their U.S. taxes. This assumes that they are somehow “unclean” or perhaps “dirty”. The life of an “American abroad” is about three things:
1. “Thinking Clean” – The importance of “thinking clean” while living abroad.
2. “Coming Clean” – Atoning for the sins of “living abroad” and entering the U.S. tax system; and
3. “Living Clean” – Living as a Homeland American outside the United States
“Living clean” for Americans abroad
A supporter of “citizenship taxation” is a person who thinks about “citizenship taxation”.
An opponent of “citizenship taxation” is a “U.S. tax compliant” American abroad who understands what it’s like to live under “citizenship taxation”.
There are rumored to be “millions” of people with a U.S. birthplace who live outside the United States.
The Good News:
According to the constitution of the United States, those people began life as U.S. citizens. If they have NOT committed a “relinquishing act” they are still considered by the U.S. to be U.S. citizens.
The Bad News:
According to the constitution of the United States, those people began life as U.S. citizens. If they have NOT committed a “relinquishing act” they are still considered by the U.S. to be U.S. citizens.
No, that’s not a mistake. The “Good News” is the same as the “Bad News”. Let me explain. The United States imposes taxes based on citizenship NOT residence. When it comes to U.S. taxation, the issue is NOT where you live or where your assets are located. The issue is who you are and WHERE you were born.
Now, you are probably thinking – so far, so good. I already pay taxes in my country of residence, surely I don’t have to pay U.S. taxes. Wrong, you are required to pay U.S. taxes. It is a myth that Americans abroad do NOT owe taxes to the IRS. Some do and some don’t. For those who do owe U.S. taxes, the amounts are likely to be significant.
In addition to the chances that you will owe U.S. taxes, the U.S. is now using FATCA (“The Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act”) as a mechanism to locate you and then collect from you.
So, what’s a person who was born in the U.S. to do? Many people think, OKAY, no problem, I will file a few years of “back tax returns” and enter the U.S. tax system. I have heard of “Streamlined Compliance” or maybe I will just “obey the law” and file my taxes. Maybe I will just start filing U.S. tax returns.
Once I file my taxes, I will be back in the good graces of the U.S. government (Hell, I didn’t even know I was a U.S. citizen, let alone liable for taxes). Once, I come into compliance my problems will be solved!
Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!
Out of the frying pan and into the fire!
Your problems are just beginning. What few people realize is that:
• Your problem is NOT that you have not been filing U.S. tax returns. That problem can be easily solved. You just enter the U.S. tax system (using whatever method of filing taxes and FBARs that makes sense for you).
• Your problem IS actually attempting to live as a “tax compliant” U.S. citizen outside the United States. It’s easy to live as a U.S. citizen abroad who is NOT “U.S. tax compliant”. What is very difficult is to live as a “U.S. citizen abroad” who IS “U.S. tax compliant”.
Let me explain why.
Part A – What are the tax rules that apply to “U.S. citizens abroad?”
All U.S. citizens, regardless of where they live in the world, are subject to exactly the same provisions of the Internal Revenue Code. At first blush you might think this is fair. No. The problem is that the U.S. tax code imposes punitive taxes and reporting requirements on “all things foreign to the U.S.”. As a U.S. citizen abroad, your life is completely “foreign to the U.S.”. Therefore, your life will be subject to punitive taxes and reporting requirements. You will learn this as you become more and more U.S. tax compliant.
The rules of taxation are designed to influence and control the way people live. This means that “U.S. citizens abroad”, (who live outside the United States), must live under a tax regime that requires them to live like a “homelander” when they actually live outside the United States.
Tax compliant “U.S. citizens abroad” are not permitted the attitude:
“When in Rome, live as the Romans do.”
Rather U.S. citizens abroad are required to live according to the principle of:
“When in Rome, live as a Homelander” does, when elsewhere, live as they live elsewhere.
Part B – What does it mean to live like a “Homelander” outside the “Homeland”?
Where do we look to find the answer to this question? Is choice of life style an issue? What about the philosophy of the ancient Greeks? Sociology? Ethics? Absolutely not. We look to the Bible of American life. The Bible of American life and source of income for a large number of “compliance condors” (the world over) is:
“The Internal Revenue Code of the United States of America” – Title 26
The beauty, genius and timeless wisdom found in the Internal Revenue Code include the principle that:
“The Internal Revenue Code in its majestic equality punishes both Homelanders and Americans abroad for having financial assets and accounts outside the United States.”
Part C – What does it mean to be a U.S. citizen abroad?
1. All U.S. citizens abroad live outside the United States. Therefore, they live in “Foreign” countries. They will have bank accounts and retirement accounts that (although local to them) are “Foreign” to the United States. A FATCANatic (true believer in FATCA) would refer to your bank accounts as being “offshore”.
2. Most U.S. citizens abroad (who are just regular folks) are required to BOTH earn a living and invest for retirement. To this end they may have a pension from their place of employment (“foreign”). They may invest in mutual funds in their country of residence (foreign – PFIC). They may invest in retirement planning vehicles that are appropriate in their country of residence (foreign – PFIC). If you own an investment vehicle that is a PFIC, you should avoid either buying or selling without getting specialized counseling.
3. All U.S. citizens abroad are required to pay taxes in their country of residence. This point is neither understood nor acknowledged in the United States. Yes, it’s true (I can personally confirm this) that U.S. citizens abroad are required to pay taxes to their country of residence. Furthermore, (to add insult to injury), they are often required to pay VAT (value added taxes) in their country of residence. These VAT taxes are significant. In Canada they are 13%. In some European countries they are 20%. The point is that U.S. citizens abroad may pay significant taxes of a kind that often don’t exist in the United States. (Therefore, for purposes of “foreign tax credits”, the U.S. doesn’t regard them as real taxes.) In addition, they pay (usually at a higher rate) the usual income and property taxes that Americans understand.
4. U.S. citizens abroad may have “non-U.S. citizen spouses”. It is true that there are many unmarried U.S. citizens living in the United States. Nevertheless, it’s common for a U.S. citizen abroad to enter into a marital relationship with a non-U.S. citizen (AKA an “alien”). It is NOT common for a U.S. citizen abroad to return to the United States to seek a spouse. U.S. law is premised on the assumption that a marriage between a “U.S. citizen” and an “alien” is for the purpose of tax evasion. This is reflected in punitive taxation (see below) and requirements that a U.S. citizen who shares a financial account with an “alien” spouse is required to report those accounts to the IRS. It is no surprise that “U.S. citizenship” is the only citizenship in the world that is becoming grounds for divorce. On the other hand, the “alien spouse” does present some possible U.S. tax planning opportunities.
5. U.S. citizens abroad may start and develop businesses. In addition to marrying “aliens”, many U.S. citizens abroad enter into other forms of “business relationships” with other “aliens”. This is clearly subversive and is required to be reported to the Internal Revenue Service. In addition, if the form of the business is a “Foreign (non-U.S.) Corporation” extremely punitive tax and reporting rules apply.
6. U.S. citizens abroad may be “self-employed”. In the absence of a “totalization agreement” (fortunately, Canada has one) U.S. citizens abroad will be liable for “self employment taxes” to the U.S. government.
So far it appears that it would be prudent for a U.S. citizen abroad to NOT marry, not have an income, not create businesses or engage in self-employment.
But, let’s imagine that a U.S. citizen abroad does one or more of these things. What does it mean? How will it affect his life? “Tax compliant” U.S. citizens abroad are required to consider how the “Bible of the Homelander” (the Internal Revenue Code) impacts these relationships. Once the principles of the “Bible of the Homelander” are understood, one will understand what one is NOT permitted to do, and the draconian penalties associated with doing so.
The “Bible of the Homelander is based on two basic principles:
Principle 1: The “Bible of the Homelander” hates anything that is foreign. In fact, if the word “Foreign” appears in the “Bible”, the word “penalty” (generally starting at $10,000) is sure to follow.
Principle 2: The “Bible” is designed to punish all forms of “tax deferral” that are not “Homelander Permitted (think IRA) Tax Deferral”.
Now, from these two great principles, we will develop the “Ten Commandments” of living a clean American life outside the United States.
“Living Clean” – The Life of a U.S. citizen abroad
Here are the ten commandments of “Living Clean” that apply to U.S. citizens abroad. They are designed to ensure that:
if a U.S. citizen lives outside the United States that he lives according to the principle that:
“When in Rome, live as a Homelander” does, when elsewhere, live as they live elsewhere.
Ten Commandments:
1. Thou shalt NOT have a bank or brokerage account outside the United States. If you do so, it must be reported to U.S. Financial Crimes on an annual basis. Failure to disclose is “Form Crime”. You may be fined an amount that is more than 300% of the value of the account.
2. Thou shalt NOT marry an “alien”. If you do so, you will have difficulty leaving your estate to him or her. Better to return to the Homeland to search for a suitable spouse.
3. Thou shalt ensure that your “alien” spouse agrees to be a U.S. taxpayer. Failure to do so, will result in your having the punitive filing status of “married filing separately”. This will guarantee greater exposure to the Alternative Minimum Tax, the new 3.8% Obamacare surtax, higher tax brackets and lower thresholds for reporting (including FATCA Form 8938) requirements.
4. Thou shalt NOT believe that the sale of your principal residence is a “tax free capital gain”. In fact, the sale of your principal residence will trigger a 23.8% capital gain which means that your house cannot be used as a retirement investment.
5. Thou shalt NOT buy non-U.S. mutual funds. If you do, you will have your gains confiscated in the form of an “Excess Distribution” Tax. Buy American. Buy U.S. mutual funds.
6. Thou shalt buy ONLY “term insurance”. Any other form of “insurance that has cash value” will be treated as a sacred instrument of tax evasion. Furthermore, if you purchase a “foreign insurance policy” thou shalt pay a special excise tax.
7. Thou shalt NOT buy or participate in an RESP, RDSP, employer pension plan, or any other kind of retirement planning vehicle which will be considered to be a TAXABLE “Foreign Trust” (with all the attendant penalty laden reporting requirements).
8. Thou shalt neither be self-employed NOR carry on business through a non-U.S. (AKA “Foreign”) corporation. If you do, punitive taxes, deemed income, and expensive reporting requirements will descend on you.
9. Thou shalt NOT relinquish U.S. citizenship. In the event that you do, you may be subjected to an “Exit Tax” which applies to your “non-U.S.” pension, “non-U.S.” assets, and assets that accumulated after you ceased to live in the United States. In addition, there are certain “Form People” who claim that you may be banished from the Homeland forever.
10. Thou shalt file, every year, file the following forms with the IRS: 1040 and all required schedules, FBAR, FATCA, 8938, 8965, 3520, 3520A, 709 (up to a maximum of up to about 45 forms). Understand that this will cost you thousands of dollars.
And this ladies and gentlemen, is why your problem is NOT “coming into U.S. tax compliance”. Your problem is “living as a tax compliant U.S. citizen abroad”. It really can’t be done (if you want any kind of life).
What does all of this mean practically?
Punitive Taxation – Think PFIC and Foreign Investments
U.S. citizens abroad also are subjected to the most punitive aspects of both the U.S. tax system and the tax system of their country of residence. In other words, it is NOT possible for them to get a “tax break”.
Examples include:
• double taxation (example Obamacare 3.8% surtax)
• tax payable to the U.S. that is not payable in Canada (sale of principal residence or TFSA)
• deemed income that you haven’t received (Avoid Canadian controlled private corporations)
• payment of taxes in Canada that are not available as tax credits in the U.S (think HST)
• taxation of currency exchange rate based gains
Intrusive Reporting Requirements – All of your life is reportable – There is NO financial (or any other kind of) privacy for Americans
U.S. citizens abroad are required, under threats of draconian penalties, to disclose almost every aspect of their financial lives to the IRS annually.
FATCA and Banking Restrictions – Many U.S. citizens are being dropped from their banks and brokerage accounts because they are U.S. citizens. It’s simply too expensive and dangerous for some financial institutions to have “U.S. person” clients.
FBAR – Including children – The simple fact is that, by April 15 (as of 2016) of each calendar, EVERY “U.S. person” (citizen or resident), to the extent that he or she has “foreign financial accounts” (including but NOT limited to bank and brokerage accounts), which (in aggregate) have a highest balance exceeding $10,000 USD, is required to report those financial accounts to the U.S. Financial Crimes (FINCEN). Incredibly, as a recent post describes, this requirement applies to children as well. In fact, the filing of “Your First FBAR” is a right of passage for American citizens abroad. Yup, it’s true. (I won’t get into the draconian penalties for failure to file in this post.) That said, the problem is serious. In fact, an adoption agency in British Columbia has publicly warned people of the dangers of adopting U.S. born children because of the problems of FBAR and citizenship taxation. To learn more: Google “FBAR”.
and more …
The preceding includes “some examples” of why, for U.S. citizens abroad:
The problem is NOT coming into “U.S. tax compliance”.
The problem IS living as a “U.S. tax compliant person”.
Conclusion and the message for Americans abroad:
“Life should be like hockey… when someone pisses you off, you just beat the s**t out of them and then sit in the penalty box for 5 minutes!” [unknown]
“Tax compliant U.S. citizens abroad” will live their whole life in the “penalty box” – starting at $10,000 a penalty. As long as they have paid their penalties they will be released to continue to experience the profound injustice of “double taxation”.
You have been warned!
P.S. The Foreign Earned Income Exclusion (Form 2555) and the Foreign Tax Credit (Form 1116) do NOT and are not intended to eliminate all of the problems. They apply to narrow classes of income.
P.P.S. Some Americans abroad mistakenly believe that the tax treaties protect them from U.S. double taxation. This is incorrect. U.S. tax treaties contain a “savings clause”. The purpose of the “savings clause” is to obtain the agreement of other countries that the U.S. can tax it’s property citizens while they are resident in that other country.
And finally …
This post has focused on the taxation of U.S. citizens abroad while they are alive. Did you know that U.S. citizens abroad, (like Homelanders) die? Did you know that when they die they may be subject to the U.S. Estate Tax? Yup, it’s true.
Original Post By: John Richardson – Citizenship Solutions
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Excellent summary, thank you! I am bookmarking this one.
A great summary of the pure insanity and injustice we all face. Like I said before, got my CLN almost 2yrs ago, and left it at that, never did final filings. I know I owe no tax, never came anywhere near the threshold, don’t have total assets that amount to anything. Was quoted by a specialist around $7-8,000 NZD to get all the back filing work done. In my freakin’ dreams I have that much spare money lying around! Yeah sure, let me just bankrupt my family so I can prove I owe no taxes to a country I am no longer a citizen of and will never set foot in again! Makes total sense right!? Why not do the forms myself then? It’s beyond over my head and my luck I would do it so horribly wrong things would get even worse. So, at this stage I will never set foot on US soil again and simply hope for the best. I am sure 10,000’s of people are in my same or similar position. What about the countless people who can’t afford professional help to be complaint AND don’t even have a CLN? I’m living my future as.. well… I have my CLN and my lack of back filing will have to remain a form of civil disobedience, a way to stand up and say “no, I do not recognize your authority over me”. Even if I wanted to recognize such authority over my soul, I couldn’t afford it anyway. What else can I do but try to get on with my life…
Great post. The only problem I have with it is this part:
“Rather U.S. citizens abroad are required to live according to the principle of:
“When in Rome, live as a Homelander” does, when elsewhere, live as they live elsewhere.”
I don’t understand the “when elsewhere, live as they live elsewhere” part. Doesn’t the U.S. tax code require U.S. citizens to “live like a Homelander” regardless of where they live?
An alternative might be
“When in Rome [i.e. the U.S] live like a Homelander, when elsewhere, try to live without being deemed a Homelander tax-evader (and good luck with that!)”
Outstanding Post!
John Richardson pretty much covered it all. I say “pretty much” because it is impossible to know what new (ancient) bullshit the US will pull out of the tens of thousands of pages of tax code next.
FBARs came out of nowhere a few years ago. FBAR was on the books for a long time but nobody had ever heard of it until some ambitious DOJ lawyers pulled it out of the woodwork and started clubbing people over the head with it during the UBS debacle.
Once again, outstanding post!
Those same DOJ lawyers are now partners in major compliance condor law firms. Imagine that?
Jeffery Neiman: http://mnrlawfirm.com/attorneys/jeffrey-neiman/
Kevin Downing: http://www.millerchevalier.com/OurPeople/KevinMDowning
They did a great job preparing the field for themselves to make the big bucks.
Obey the 10 Commandments and still end up in the penalty box? Sounds enticing.
Excellent post, thank you.
The Ugly News:
According to the constitution of the United States, those people began life as U.S. citizens. If they have NOT committed a “relinquishing act” they are still considered by the U.S. to be U.S. citizens.
No, that’s not a mistake. The “Ugly News” is the same as the “Good News” and the “Bad News”.
Now for the worse news, and the uglier news (there’s no better news for this):
According to the laws of the United States, if they HAVE committed a “relinquishing act” they are STILL considered by the U.S. to be U.S. tax citizens, until they jump through more hoops.
But … except … this isn’t news. We’re in 2015 now, and this isn’t news. The IRS’s Taxpayer Advocate already reported to Congress, IN 2011, that the rules forced thousands of honest taxpayers to renounce US citizenship.
“Why not do the forms myself then? It’s beyond over my head and my luck I would do it so horribly wrong things would get even worse.”
Actually no. 26 USC section 7206(1) punishes perjury that is performed wilfully. When laws, IRS, and courts force you to commit perjury unwilfully, section 7206(1) doesn’t apply.
The IRS and courts insist that you make returns processable. If the world’s facts differ so much from the homeland that honest declarations would make your returns unprocessable, you have a choice: (1) tell the truth and get penalized, or (2) tell enough lies to make your returns processable and avoid all problems. Any place you have to make a guess, make your guess and pretend that you did it right. Don’t reveal your uncertainties. Don’t dare call an estimate an estimate.
A US Tax Court judge even told me the reason not to tell the truth on a return. IRS employees are poorly trained. If your facts make it difficult for you to figure out, then your facts make it difficult for IRS employees to figure out, so honesty impedes the administration of US federal taxes. You’d better lie your head off to keep things simple.
Court of Federal Claims and Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit also punished me for telling the truth.
Central District of California even denied my motion for leave to tell the truth.
I agree — it’s a wonderful post!
I linked to it in the comments on Ars Technica in an article about the joys of Estonian e-residency which allows anyone to quickly create an Estonian company (basically a fast way for the unwary American person to ruin his or her life).
http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/08/im-now-an-estonian-e-resident-but-i-still-dont-know-what-to-do-with-it/
“How To Live Outside The United States In An FBAR And FATCA World?”
Hate to say this…but one must never ever admit to anything with that dark past in their closet.
Its like what you may have done at University, its the past and you never ever discuss it or bring it up.
Mentioning your USA past history or USA Parents can be dangerous to yourself.
Again all this talk about indica IS in line with 1930s Germany. I knew persons who told me when I was young that they were afraid their children would bring up that a grandparent was Jewish or that they had a Jewish mother.
Today, who in their right mind would go into a bank and casually mention that they had parents born in the USA.
Norman: Excellent comment, I totally agree, you say what I felt deep inside to be true. Give the IRS the numbers they understand. Which is exactly what I am currently doing. Hope they’re happy.
Pukekonz: Really, mate, don’t worry, not a chance in the world they’ll ever get on your case.
Personally, having been Fatca’d I am busy getting ready to file returns. The tax guy I talked to said I would not only owe no taxes (taxes I pay in Belgium are way higher than what I would pay in the US, I don’t even need the FEIE) but get a USD 2000 tax credit because of my 2 young dependents. He is even suggesting I do the past 3 years, and hope for 3 years’ credit. He even added, you might want to save that money to pay for the kids’ renunciation when they turn 18.
If this turns out to be true it is quite absurd, and may be used to argue with recalcitrant homelanders. Filing returns and paying taxes to the US makes no sense when you are living completely and definitively. Well, you’re a US citizen, bla bla they will say, if they even care. OK, then, how do you feel about me getting money back from the US? I mean, conceivably, some guy in ISIS with a US passport and 10 kids could be claiming tax credits, right?
I have an issue with commandment 5. I totally agree with thou shalt not buy a foreign mutual fund. However, I think the conclusion that one should buy US mutual funds is very location dependent. Maybe Canada has better tax treatment of US mutual funds but the UK, for instance, does not. Depending on where you live, the conclusion might be as severe as “thou shalt not participate in any collective investment vehicle”.
In the same way that the US has punitive treatment for foreign mutual funds, the UK has punitive treatment for HMRC non-reporting funds. In the UK, gains on the sale of an HMRC non-reporting fund are treated as income and not subject to the capital gains regime. This can have dire tax consequences for UK resident taxpayers. For example, a £10,000 capital gain in an HMRC reporting fund wouldn’t be taxed at all in the UK since it would fall within the annual £10,000ish exclusion on capital gains. An HMRC non-reporting fund, would have the capital gain treated as income and subject to taxation at up to 45% (ie up to £4,500). (http://www.buzzacott.co.uk/news/fund-reporting-status-is-your-fund-attractive-to).
Just for the fun of it, I thought I would check to see how many HMRC reporting funds there are and how many of them are US funds. There are (according to https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/offshore-funds-list-of-reporting-funds) about 42,000 HMRC reporting funds. The list of reporting funds doesn’t seem to include UK registered onshore funds who are already under the HMRC reporting regime. Of the 42,000, about 7,000 don’t have an ISIN code (International Securities Identification Number). These look mostly like hedge funds which are generally not available to retail investors. That leaves about 35,000 HMRC reporting funds. If you sort by ISIN code I count about 75 funds that have an ISIN code which begins with US (as opposed to GB or CH or IE or LU). I’m going to assume (this is not an area of expertise for me) that means that there are 75 US registered funds that are also HMRC reporting funds. So, out of the hundreds of thousands of funds available to invest in (including UK onshore funds), it looks like about 75 would attract neither UK non-reporting fund treatment nor US PFIC. So, if you’re a UK resident US citizen you’re screwed if you buy a UK mutual fund (PFIC) and screwed if you buy a US mutual fund (HMRC non-reporting fund status). Your returns are decimated by the one or the other country’s punitive regime.
What I can’t rule out is that some of the HMRC reporting funds have an LU or IE ISIN code but are somehow registered in the US. For instance, one of the largest ETFs in the UK is iShares FTSE 100. The info page (https://www.ishares.com/uk/individual/en/products/251795/ishares-ftse-100-ucits-etf-inc-fund) lists one ISIN for Ireland but says its registered in 16 countries. However, none of those 16 countries is outside of Europe.
I also can’t rule out that more US registered funds would somehow be considered UK compliant despite not being on the list of UK reporting funds. The UK reporting status seems to be most at risk for adverse treatment if it’s an accumulation class fund (where dividends are accrued but not distributed as opposed to income class shares which pays all income to the individual shareholder). I’m pretty sure that the US doesn’t have accumulation class mutual funds so maybe there is a broader variety of funds to choose from.
Sums it up. Recently I like to tell people about getting to gRips with FATCA.
The big R is for Relationships and how FATCA affects them.
Your Relationship with everything local, your Government, Institutions (FFIs), other People, and your personal Security (via data breaches or theft).
Let’s hope the initial ruling makes a loud statement.
Are Americans in the States so proud to be profoundly uncompetitive in the world?
Justice Martineau and the Supreme Court of Canada need to understand this.
Every minute of every day I am aware of how my life changed when I heard of FATCA and CBT back on a lovely summer evening in 2011. The news was like a knife in my heart and the person I was died on the spot. Thanks to the “CPR” performed by the people on this blog I have been revived but I am not who I was and never will be again.
John, I just hope that those who can help us will read your words.
MuzzledNoMore,
Sums up a lot about me since my OMG moment now so long ago:
I now know definitively who does and does not support me as a person. I also know the persons I NOW trust and respect. Only a few, sadly, are the same pre as post my own OMG moment.
Hear, here, MuzzledNoMore! And I recall when the muzzle came off!
@Edelweis
I agree- I think all mutual funds are off limits for expats.
Reading this just makes me sick to my stomach. In fact- I can hardly stomach it anymore. The injustice just screams to the heavens, but nobody in charge is listening. Its like blasphemy, what is being done to expats. The unfairness and exploitation should be named a CRIME, and not what I always hear: “but its the law!”
I agree, Polly, the situation is sickening and intolerable, but I disagree that no one’s listening. Unfortunately they are only half-listening and hear only the part where people are renouncing, which of course those in charge don’t look upon favourably. Their predictable response would be hilarious if it wasn’t so tragic for so many. It’s also easy to see that when the policy is to heap on more abuse things won’t get any better. The question is – how much worse is it going to get before it gets better, and what will possibly be the catalyst?
I have no idea.
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@Polly @Bubblebustin
Oooh they’re listening all right. They know what is happening to us, in fact they just raised the fee for relinquishing, right? So they know…but they just don’t care. It’s our punishment for leaving…those stinking rich tax evaders who dared to leave the country….let’s get them!!
Carrick Talks Money from the Globe and Mail has a few good videos on this topic. Terry Ritchie his guest is quite frank about the bad news.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/video/video-carrick-talks-money-investment-basics-for-americans-living-in-canada/article23612233/#video6id23612231
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/video/video-carrick-talks-money-investment-basics-for-americans-living-in-canada/article23612233/#video0id23612233
Additional bad news would be when our topic appears in the main stream media. Every article addressing this has a shockingly painful commenting section. Ignorant and ill informed comments such as, “f those rich traitors” or “don’t let the door hit you on the way out you traitor scum”. The consensus is we are rich, tax evading scum. Not easy to battle such a perception. Sometimes I post my story but they scroll past it, much more fun to be out for blood than listen to reason and evidence.
@pukonz. It is a classic case of bullying in the first case; envy in the second case and lastly it is a protective mechanism because we have turned the concept of exceptionalism and greatest country on earth on its head.
Just look at the state departments presumption for loss of nationality; they could have and should have been neutral on the subject on the topic based on 8 US Code. Look at how they describe a Usa passport as the most valuable travel document on earth.
Middle class folks renouncing does not fit their world view. Its no different than sommeone believing their house is worth 500000 and the best offer they get is 250000. So in order for us to fit their collective narrative we can only be traitors or tax evaders or we are not competent.