There has been a new petition launched on the White House Web site with this proposal:
WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO:
Change US tax law from citizenship based law to residence based law.
The above link to this petition was alerted to me by Bertpug on Shadow Raider’s thread about rewriting of the Internal Revenue Code.
ACA is announcing the petition on its website and in its news update and probably on its FACEBOOK.
I thought we should headline it here, so it has more visibility. It is a long road to 25,000 signatures requiring an Obama Administration response. Realistically it will have absolutely no resonance or support with Homelanders and the newsertainment media. It certainly should be more impactful and important than the petition to deport Piers Morgan. However, sadly, we know it will not, unless enough Americans abroad raise their heads from the sand and do something!
Yesterday morning around this time, it only 271 signatures. This morning it has gone to 377. Only 24,623 to go!
No need to use real name, etc. I signed in as:
email:nobledreamer email account
First Name Noble
Last Name Dreamer
zip not required so left blank
signer #299
Your zip code is 20500, as mandated by 26 USC § 7701(a)(39) 🙂
I took a rocky journey into Windows World at the library but the deed is done. I registered (with trepidation) at the White House and signed the petition. It’s about to click over to 800 signatures but I’m afraid 25,000 is way out of reach.
@Em,
Yes but we have to at least try. Sick that Alex Jones, that raving lunatic has over 100k sigs to deport Piers Morgan. What is with that?
*He was critising the American attitude to guns and gun laws following the recent shooting at a school. That was bound to get the Americans riled. That’s much more important than the fact that their fellow Americans are being harried and bullied by their own government over presumed tax evasion.
Thanks Medea, I actually meant that somewhat sarcastically. I can’t believe Homelanders are that hopeless. <sigh>
I will NEVER understand the fixation with guns. It seems to me the 2nd Amendment is hugely misunderstood/out of date. I had never seen or heard of this Alex Jones prior to Piers’ show last night. My goodness, I guess I have been gone a long time. Are people really like this? ;-P
*Me neither nobledreamer. They seemd fixated on the right to carry guns to the detriment of everything else. I only read a bit about the Piers Morgan interview in a BBC article about the clash, so I’m even more out of touch. But then seeing more and more incidents being reported where guns are used, it makes me glad I am. If you’ve got to have security staff at schools to make sure guns aren’t brought into classrooms by the kids attending those schools the country is in a very sad state.
The progression in signatures is as follows:
Dec 30 to Jan 3 — 83 signatures (average 16.6 per day)
Jan 4 — 64
Jan 5 — 158
Jan 6 — 138
Jan 7 — 245
Jan 8 — 140
You can tell when Brocker’s came aboard. 🙂
*@media fleecestealer; you are so right. The country is indeed in a very bad state. Human life has become totally valuless for an alarmingingly high percentage of today’s younger generation which compares the value of the life of others with about the same degree that it compares the value of the life of a fly or a mosquito. This is undeniable and we have to recognize it.
*Let me add that it is not just guns. Just a few years back one middleschool student in our immediate neighborhood used a knife to kill one of his fellow-classmate peers in the bath room and casually returned to class as if nothing had happened. “He bugged me.”
@nobledreamer, medea fleecestealer
Fixation or fetish with guns?
@roger conklin
This person will know what ‘bugged’ is when he hits prison.
*Fixation I think bubblebustin. God given, unalienable right rubbish.
If you like watching train wrecks, you’ll enjoy this ‘interview’ between Piers Morgan and Alex Jones, the guy who started the petition to deport Morgan over his anti-firearms stance.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/01/the-deport-piers-morgan-creator-blows-up-on-cnn-153577.htm
*Yeah, that’s been floating around on the http://www.englishforum.ch site with lots of comments today. I gave up after a minute of watching because he’d spouted so many incorrect or just plain stupid remarks I didn’t want to watch any longer. I have just two wishes regarding him: 1) that he comes over to Switzerland to see how non-gun crazy the country really is and 2) that someone then shoots him and gets him out of our hair. Idiots like that we don’t need!
Bubblebustin, the link takes you to the site, but they seem to have moved the story. It’s still there, just not coming up on that particular page.
Thanks for the heads up, Medea. I’m sure it’s everywhere now… I didn’t copy it properly, this should work:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/01/the-deport-piers-morgan-creator-blows-up-on-cnn-153577.html
Many who side with Mr Jones defend his ‘passion’. I guess ‘passion’ is the new belligerent, IMO.
Alex is “passionate”. But he’s mostly a global conspiracy theorist who makes his living off of the prepper’s via his show’s advertising. He is a prepper himself and though he stays firmly to just this side of the “crazy” line not everything he talks about his wild-eyed crazy. He’s surprisingly fact based on some topics. But he’s a Texan and you can’t have a rational conversation with many of them about guns or prepping.
This was just a ratings/attention getting stunt for both Jones and Morgan. Not surprising that some are taking it seriously but it was self-serving for both. Any media play is good media in some circles.
@a
Thanks for that insight. I had to google prepper though. I’ve seen a similar type of belligerence on Pier Morgan’s part during some of his interviews, so it was interesting to see him taste some of his own medicine. I would agree that staging such an interview was done for ratings, but should Morgan has to defend himself in a deportation effort, do you think CNN would pick up his tab?
Alex has expressed a lot of disdain for the Obama WH’s petition site. He’s not alone in thinking that it’s mostly a showy thing without substance. I don’t think this is the first time he’s used to to make a point about one of his issues. He is pro-gun and seized on Morgan’s anti-gun b/c the guy is a “foreigner” and he’s kind of a moralistic jerk (given his history with the phone hacking back in the UK – he’d be better off not climbing up on high horse’s and trying to ride them).
The whole thing was a stunt. The petition. The “debate”. Theatre. People need to fiddle while Rome burns, I guess.
@ “a” — Bingo!
Another reason the IRS and US has given us – which might urge on the signers of this petition? ShadowRaider, do you know about this? And, ACA members, any discussion of this?
Maybe I’ve missed any IBS discussion of this latest ‘Net Investment Income Tax’ at IBS,
but,
If I understand correctly, and if the characterization in the post at the link I included below is accurate, then it gives everyone in Canada yet another reason to urgently do something – sign a petition, write your MP and Harper, etc. We’re already effectively prevented from investing in Canadian mutual funds, and all the registered types of savings (except RRSPs – WITH the ANNUAL form and treaty election). But, the general list of things this new tax covers is very broad,
And,
See the last lines of the post for the kicker; Obama and the US have added yet another new thing that we can be extra-territorially double-taxed on – and it is potentially not covered by the Canada US tax treaty, or by foreign tax credits.
…”Effective January 1, 2013, to help fund “Obamacare”, the United
States has brought in a tax – the “Net Investment Income Tax”….”.
…”Finally, you could earn regular Canadian investment income. If you’re in
a province other than Alberta, the income is probably subject to
Canadian tax at rates that are higher than the US rates, even including
this new tax. Under the Internal Revenue Code, there is no foreign tax
credit allowed against this new tax. It is arguable that the tax treaty
provides for a credit, but at this point, this position is no sure
thing.”….
from http://www.mnptax.ca/insights/blog/2013/1/7/new-us-investment-income-tax
also see …
…”TAXPAYERS SUBJECT TO NII SURTAX
Individuals
The
NII surtax applies to individuals, with the exception of nonresident
aliens (Code Sec. 1411(a), (e)). The proposed reliance regs define
“individual” in two ways:
(1) the NII surtax applies to any natural person, except for natural persons who are nonresident aliens; and
(2) the NII surtax applies to any citizen or resident of the United States (Prop. Reg. §1.1411-2(a)(1)).”…..
“Foreign estates and trusts.
Acknowledging that Code Sec. 1411 does not specifically address the
treatment of foreign estates and foreign non-grantor trusts, the IRS
stated in the preamble to the proposed reliance regulations its
intention to follow under the general principle that Code Sec. 1411
should not apply to foreign estates and foreign trusts that have little
or no connection to the U.S. However, it also stated its intention as
carried forward in the proposed reliance regulations to tax NII of a
foreign estate or foreign trust to the extent the income is earned or
accumulated for the benefit of, or distributed to, U.S. persons. (Prop.
Reg. §1.1411-3(c)(3)).”….
from http://www.louisplung.com/index.php/news-and-events2/2012-year-end-tax-planning/net-investment-income-tax#taxpayers
@a
Regardless of whether the petition was a stunted or not, it’s not to those who’ve signed it. They may just want to see blood as did those who came to watch the lions did.
Such a petition should be prepared and advertized by an organization like ACA, who might have the email address of many Americans leaving abroad. If they emailed their contacts the number of signatures could increase quite a bit. There should be an active “marketing campaign” to get traction on something like that. Mentioning it on a web site, hoping that people might see it is not enough.
Just my 2 cents.
Badger, the Obamacare tax probably applies to everyone regardless of where. It’s does have a earnings cap though so it won’t effect everyone. The Medicare stuff going on is interesting. Latest thing I heard was that Obama is leaning towards allowing the minimum age for it to be raised to 72 which will basically raise the retirement age to that as well. Who can afford to retire down there without health insurance? Of course, it will only target the under 55’s and they are used to be water carriers by now.
Bubblebustin – I have no doubt that many signers missed the memo on the symbolic nature.
White House responds to the petition to deport Piers Morgan:
“In the response, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney urged Americans to not let “arguments over the Constitution’s Second Amendment violate the spirit of its First.””
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/01/white-house-responds-to-piers-morgan-petition/
Who the wrote the text of the Petition? It is horrible. That will not resonate with anyone and completely misses the real persuasive points–the moral issue, the unworkable complexity in an internationalized world where people live and work in various countries, harm to U.S. exports, etc. We have real reasons and it essentially misses all of them. If it gets 25,000 signatures, then we have a limp wristed, non-persuasive petition that the white house will just go ‘huh…no’. Only the title resonates with me personally. … If the creator can edit the text, that would be worth doing. I would help write something concise that’s better.
That said, I’ll sign it.
A good way to get signatures would be to contact the owners of any expat, international newsletters and ask them to request that their readers sign it. That’s leverage. I’ll do that tomorrow with those newsletters that I read. I almost want to do this again with a better written petition text and better organized from the beginning about how we contact people to sign it so we can know it’ll pass the 25k signatures mark.