This is a repost from RenounceUSCitizenship
The United States of America – A Nation of Forms
As it stands, there are a number of normal investments prohibited to U.S. citizens living abroad. U.S. citizens living abroad will likely find it much more difficult to find an accountant or tax prep person to help them with their taxes. There are at least three reasons:
1. Paid Tax Preparer Registration Required – Effective for the 2011 tax year, the IRS is requiring all “paid tax preparers” to register with and pay a fee to the IRS. For many this will require the taking of an exam.
(Whether this can be applied to preparers outside the U.S. or not, it will certainly reduce the number of people willing to take this on.)
2. Professional liability – Who would want the risk of making a mistake? I know at least one Canadian CA who will not take American clients. Who would want the problems? In addition to the 1040, there is the problem of the FBAR, the new 8938 form, the appropriate RRSP election form, and a host of possible other forms (see below).
3. Too much work for too little money – The work is so substantial that, that I expect the minimum fee will be in the range of $1000 (for somebody who has no assets or issues). Although this I small change for some taxpayers, it is clearly too expensive for most taxpayers.
In other words, who would want the hassle of dealing with a U.S. citizen? U.S. citizens in Europe are having trouble getting banking services. The Canadian Bankers Association has suggested that Canadian banks may cease dealing with U.S. citizens. Non-U.S. citizens are reluctant to enter into any kind of arrangement with U.S. citizens (who wants the IRS around?). I predict that U.S. citizens will have difficulty getting accounting services (and possibly legal services). Why would any tax prep person want the hassle of dealing with a U.S. citizen? I don’t blame them.
Therefore, I suggest that you get started on your taxes immediately. Those of you who have the money to use the professional accounting firms will have no trouble finding a professional to take your money – expect to pay big bucks. But, those of you who don’t, you have a big problem. Make no mistake:
U.S. citizenship is a problem that needs to be solved – and a big problem it is!
Here are some great articles that may get you thinking about certain tax issues that might apply to you:
– Common circumstances where U.S. tax is payable – more than you might think
– Feeding the Nation of Forms – Some forms that may have to be filed – more than you could imagine
– Tax Planning and Dual Citizenship – how can you reconcile the IRS and Canada Revenue Agency?
– Tax Implications of Selling Your Principal Residence (not tax free) – you may not be able to afford to “move up”
– Additional information on TFSA, RESP and mutual funds – read only if you are sitting down
– Webinar on U.S. tax issues for U.S. citizens in Canada
Finally, this doesn’t address the problem of the past. If there are any people with past compliance issues (taxes and FBARs) you might take a look at this post about the IRS Fact Sheet for U.S. Citizens and dual citizens living outside the United States.
It is clear that the primary obligation of U.S. citizenship to fill out forms. You will probably have to devote the next few months to this task. What is the value of U.S. citizenship? Well, I guess you get the protection of the U.S. government (or do you need protection from the U.S. government?).
There are only two groups of people who can survive this tyranny of the U.S. government (assuming you want to) – the very rich, and the very poor with very few assets that require reporting (note that it is NOT just being poor). For the average middle class type who is is concerned with retirement planning, the situation is hopeless. You are owned “lock, stock and barrel” by the IRS.
You have only two options:
1. Spend all your time on IRS compliance issues.
2. Renounce U.S. citizenship and rejoice!
It’s Hell, that’s for sure :'(
Renunciation is not desirable or even possible for everyone. The third alternative is to fight back with every legal and public means available against IRS over-reach. That is why I am part of the Isaac Brock Society.
I hear you 😀 😀 xx
The “fight back with every legal and public means available” goes without saying. Options 1 and 2 are in this context. But, if there is to be “fight back” the “fight” must begin.
This means getting organized – coming together in terms of :
– legal means: Human Rights Code, Class Action, etc.
– Public means: the book detailing the plight of U.|S. citizens living outside the United States, a centralized unified front, etc.
I agree we need to fight this. But where do we start? I wrote to the Canadian Human Rights commission and got a letter saying they couldn’t help us. Has anyone tried contacting the Ontario Human Rights Commission?
What did the letter from the Canadian Human Rights Commission say? What was their reasoning? Would be great if you could provide a bit more info.
The letter from the Canadian Human Rights Commission stated:
“In order for the Commission to accept a complaint there must be a direct link between the alleged discriminatory act and one or more of the grounds of discrimination in the Canadian Human Rights Act. The grounds of discrimination are: race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, family status, disability, and conviction for which a pardon has been granted. Your correspondence has been carefully reviewed and it does not appear that the matters you raise are linked to prohibited ground.”
I don’t understand why they didn’t accept my complaint since they clearly state “national or ethnic origin” as a basis of discrimination. Maybe someone with more legal background should pursue this with the Commission.
In the meantime, please ask for clarification for the Canadian Human Rights Commission reasoning to not accept your complaint — just why is being a ‘US person in Canada’ not discriminatory on the basis of NATIONAL origin — the USA?
Why is this not discrimination to about one million US citizens in Canada?