The Quarterly Publication of Individuals Who Have Chosen to Expatriate for Q3 2017 has just been placed on public inspection for publication in Thursday’s Federal Register, three days later than required by law. By my count, this list contains the names of 1,376 people who renounced or otherwise relinquished US citizenship under any paragraph of 8 USC § 1481(a), as compared to 1,004 people who renounced US citizenship (under 1481(a)(5) only) added to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) in July, August, and September.
Following Q3 & Q4 2016, this is only the second time since 2011 that we’ve had two quarters in a row of Federal Register numbers being significantly higher than NICS numbers, the way they should be every quarter. Even then, the Federal Register list is far from complete: contrary to some media reports, it’s basically impossible that the list includes people who give up their green cards, and no one has ever identified a single green card abandoner in the list, despite the message at the top claiming that “long-term residents, as defined in section 877(e)(2), are treated as if they were citizens of the United States who lost citizenship”.
The people named in this list probably completed the State Department’s painfully slow and expensive formalities to apply for a Certificate of Loss of Nationality around mid-year at the latest, but that’s just a guess. I can confirm that one name in this quarter’s list belongs to a man known to have relinquished in April 2016 or earlier. For the US government, that’s positively speedy — last quarter’s list had relinquishers from 2013 and 2014.
As always, after the jump you can find discussion of recent media reports about relinquishers, as well as a table of past NICS and Federal Register statistics.
Table of contents
Recent media reports about relinquishers
There have been a few recent media reports about public figures who have given up US citizenship, but none of their relinquishments actually seem to have occurred last quarter. Tao Yuequn, founder of contact lens manufacture OrthoK, who restored his Chinese citizenship at the latest by April 2016, is in this quarter’s list. I don’t know when others in the list made their final visits to US consulates to apply for Certificates of Loss of Nationality, because I’m not having much luck matching any of their names to media reports. Last quarter’s list had one name of a man who applied for his CLN as recently as March 2017 or later, so my best guess is that this quarter they might be starting to list the names of Washington-approved relinquishers from around mid-year.
The daughter of South Korean Minister of Foreign Affairs Kang Kyung-hwa is in the process of applying to get her South Korean citizenship back, but hasn’t yet requested a CLN; according to a report from last month (in Korean), she’s still waiting for a police certificate from the US before the South Korean side formally approves her restoration of citizenship. Once her citizenship is restored, she will have twelve months to give the South Korean government a CLN, or at least proof that she’s applied for one — see our previous post for an explanation of the procedure and a translation of the relevant South Korean regulations.
Jazz drummer Alvin Queen, who showed up in the Q3 2016 list, doesn’t seem to have spoken up last year about his decision to relinquish US citizenship after holding dual citizenship with Switzerland for three decades, but he was in the news last week when the Department of Homeland Security decided to deny him entry to the US over a half-century-old drug arrest which resulted in no charges. Mr. Queen states that he gave up citizenship “to make life simpler at tax time”. Mr. Queen’s manager Jean-Pierre Leduc apparently thought it would be a bright idea to call Senator Chuck Schumer to try resolving the situation, since Mr. Queen was born in Schumer’s state. That must have been a rather awkward phone call: Schumer sponsored the Ex-PATRIOT Act, which would have punished people who gave up citizenship to make life simpler at tax time by banishing them permanently.
Finally, Hermitage Capital founder Bill Browder, who relinquished in 1997 and showed up in the Q3 1998 list alongside Lithuanian president Valdas Adamkus and South Korean apple farmer Choi Yongtak, also briefly had his ESTA travel authorisation revoked due to an Interpol diffusion notice filed by Russia. He tweeted later to state that he got it restored; news reports say that someone at DHS manually reviewed the situation in response to the media coverage, suggesting that the original revocation was due to some automated process. Mr. Browder was born in Illinois, but apparently he was savvy enough to know that calling FATCA-natic Dick Durbin wasn’t the best way to get his problem solved.
Name | Occupation | Other citizenship |
Giving up US citizenship | Appeared in Federal Register? |
Source | |
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Reason | Date | |||||
Rachel AZARIA | Politician | Israel | Take office as Member of Knesset | January 2015 | Q2 2016 | Times of Israel |
Jonathan TEPPER | Macroeconomic analyst | United Kingdom | FATCA & other US tax reporting requirements | January 2015 | Q1 2016 | The New York Times |
David ALWARD | Politician | Canada | Become Canadian consul-general in Boston | April 2015 or earlier | Q3 2015 | Canadian Broadcasting Corporation |
YANG Chen-ning | Physicist | China | Restore Chinese citizenship | April 2015 | Q3 2015 | Xinhua (China) |
Andrew YAO Chi-chih | Computer scientist | China | Restore Chinese citizenship | Unclear | Q3 2015 | Xinhua (China) |
Alfred Oko VANDERPUIJE | Politician | Ghana | Stand for election to Parliament | August 2015 | No | Starr FM (Ghana) |
Philip RYU | Singer | South Korea | Serve in South Korean army | September 2015 or earlier | No | Money Today (South Korea) |
Pedro Pablo KUCZYNSKI | Politician | Peru | Run for president | November 2015 | Q1 2017 | El Comercio (Peru) |
Rachel HELLER | Writer | Netherlands | FATCA & other US tax reporting requirements even when no US tax is owed | November 2015 | Q4 2016 | Blog (will be in TV news programme at a later date) |
Susan WOOD | Unknown | Canada | FATCA & other compliance issues | November 2015 | Q3 2016 | Vancouver Sun |
KANG Dong-suk | Violinist | South Korea | Restore South Korean citizenship | 2015 (month not specified) | No | News1 (South Korea) |
Pavel BURE | Ice hockey player | Russia | “US passport was no longer needed” | Early 2016 (month not specified) | Q4 2016 | Sputnik News; Pravda Report |
Alvin QUEEN | Jazz drummer | Switzerland | “To make life simpler at tax time” | 2016 (month not specified) | Q3 2016 | Billboard (US) |
Neil (Teodoro) LLAMANZARES | Businessman | Philippines | Public opinion (his wife ran for President, but lost after he renounced) | April 2016 | Q3 2016 | Rappler (Philippines) |
TAO Yuequn | Businessman | China | Unknown | April 2016 or earlier | Q3 2017 | Sina Finance |
LEE Chih-kung | Physicist | Taiwan | Appointed Minister of Economic Affairs by President-elect Tsai Ing-wen | May 2016 | Q3 2016 | Apple Daily (Taiwan) |
Ned (Nader) MANNOUN | Politician | Australia | Run for Australian parliament | May 2016 or earlier | Q4 2016 | Liverpool Champion (Australia) |
Yehuda GLICK | Politician | Israel | Take office as Member of Knesset | May 2016 | Q2 2017 | Arutz Sheva (Israel) |
Karen ALPERT | Academic | Australia | FATCA & other compliance issues | June 2016 | Q4 2016 | Sydney Morning Herald |
Frank ALPERT | Academic | Australia | FATCA & other compliance issues | June 2016 | Q1 2017 | Sydney Morning Herald |
Judy CHAN Ka-pui | Politician | Hong Kong | Run for Hong Kong Legislative Council | July 2016 | Q3 2016 | Apple Daily (Hong Kong) |
Boris JOHNSON | Politician | United Kingdom | Taxes or politics or whatever | July 2016 or earlier | Q4 2016 | Daily Mail |
Kimi ONODA | Politician | Japan | Dual-at-birth, did Japanese-law “choice of nationality”, didn’t know US still considered her a citizen | October 2016? | No | Viewpoint (Japan) |
Charles Adu BOAHEN | Politician | Ghana | Become Deputy Minister of Finance | Early 2017 | No | Ghana Guardian |
Chris HART | Musician | Japan | Naturalise in Japan | March 2017 or later | Q2 2017 | Sports Hochi (Japan) |
Comparison with NICS
The below table lists the yearly additions to NICS from 2006 to 2010, and monthly additions for 2011 up through the present, compared with the quarterly lists in the Federal Register.
The FBI has the bad habit of uploading the new NICS report each month at the same URL as the old one; the only way to keep a verifiable collection of old reports is to save old ones in some archiving service each month, and unfortunately we didn’t remember to do this for all months, though we’ve had a good track record over the past year. If the month is set in upright type, the link goes to an actual Internet Archive copy of the FBI NICS report for that month. If the month is in bold type (for December), the link goes to the NICS annual operations report for the appropriate year. Finally, for months in italics, the link goes to a Brock post or comment.
First quarter | Second quarter | Third quarter | Fourth quarter | ||||||||
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FR citation |
Addi- tions |
FR citation |
Addi- tions |
FR citation |
Addi- tions |
FR citation |
Addi- tions |
Year-end total |
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71 FR 25648 | 100 | 71 FR 50993 | 31 | 71 FR 63857 | 41 | 72 FR 5103 | 106 | ||||
Annual totals for 2006 | Fed. Reg. | 278 | NICS | 48 | 12,651 | ||||||
72 FR 26687 | 107 | 72 FR 44228 | 114 | 72 FR 63237 | 105 | 73 FR 7631 | 144 | ||||
Annual totals for 2007 | Fed. Reg. | 470 | NICS | 317 | 12,968 | ||||||
73 FR 26190 | 123 | 73 FR 43285 | 23 | 73 FR 65036 | 22 | 74 FR 6219 | 63 | ||||
Annual totals for 2008 | Fed. Reg. | 231 | NICS | 655 | 13,623 | ||||||
74 FR 20105 | 67 | 74 FR 35199 | 15 | 74 FR 60039 | 158 | 75 FR 9028 | 503 | ||||
Annual totals for 2009 | Fed. Reg. | 743 | NICS | 714 | 14,337 | ||||||
75 FR 28853 | 179 | 75 FR 69160 | 560 | 75 FR 69158 | 397 | 76 FR 7907 | 398 | ||||
Annual totals for 2010 | Fed. Reg. | 1,534 | NICS | 1,009 | 15,346 | ||||||
First quarter | Second quarter | Third quarter | Fourth quarter | ||||||||
Month, year |
Addi- tions |
Month-end total |
Month, year |
Addi- tions |
Month-end total |
Month, year |
Addi- tions |
Month-end total |
Month, year |
Addi- tions |
Month-end total |
Apr 2011 | 41 | 15,387 | Jul 2011 | 89 | 15,705 | Oct 2011 | 118 | 15,930 | |||
May 2011 | 98 | 15,445 | Aug 2011 | 54 | 15,759 | Nov 2011 | 40 | 15,970 | |||
Jun 2011 | 131 | 15,616 | Sep 2011 | 53 | 15,812 | Dec 2011 | 34 | 16,004 | |||
Q2 total | 270 | Q3 total | 196 | Q4 total | 192 | ||||||
76 FR 27175 | 499 | 76 FR 46898 | 519 | 76 FR 66361 | 403 | 77 FR 5308 | 360 | ||||
Annual totals for 2011 | Fed. Reg. | 1,781 | NICS | 656 | 16,004 | ||||||
Jan 2012 | 265 | 16,269 | Apr 2012 | 204 | 16,662 | Jul 2012 | 22 | 17,188 | Oct 2012 | 3,106 | 20,577 |
Feb 2012 | 98 | 16,367 | May 2012 | Missing | Aug 2012 | 149 | 17,337 | Nov 2012 | 97 | 20,654 | |
Mar 2012 | 89 | 16,458 | Jun 2012 | 504 | 17,166 | Sep 2012 | 114 | 17,451 | Dec 2012 | 0 | 20,654 |
Q1 total | 452 | Q2 total | 708 | Q3 total | 285 | Q4 total | 3,203 | ||||
77 FR 25538 | 460 | 77 FR 44310 | 189 | 77 FR 66084 | 238 | 78 FR 10692 | 45 | ||||
Annual totals for 2012 | Fed. Reg. | 932 | NICS | *4,648 | W/o backlog: ~1,700 |
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Jan 2013 | 176 | 20,830 | Apr 2013 | 319 | 21,823 | Jul 2013 | 298 | 22,908 | Oct 2013 | 302 | 23,557 |
Feb 2013 | 478 | 21,308 | May 2013 | 374 | 22,197 | Aug 2013 | 278 | 23,186 | Nov 2013 | 118 | 23,675 |
Mar 2013 | 196 | 21,504 | Jun 2013 | 413 | 22,610 | Sep 2013 | 69 | 23,255 | Dec 2013 | 132 | 23,807 |
Q1 total | 850 | Q2 total | 1,106 | Q3 total | 645 | Q4 total | 552 | ||||
78 FR 26867 | 679 | 78 FR 48773 | 1,130 | 78 FR 68151 | 560 | 79 FR 7504 | 631 | ||||
Annual totals for 2013 | Fed. Reg. | 3,000 | NICS | 3,153 | 23,807 | ||||||
Jan 2014 | 320 | 24,127 | Apr 2014 | 382 | 24,602 | Jul 2014 | 577 | 26,000 | Oct 2014 | 426 | 26,916 |
Feb 2014 | 95 | 24,222 | May 2014 | 205 | 24,807 | Aug 2014 | 180 | 26,180 | Nov 2014 | 187 | 27,103 |
Mar 2014 | -2 | 24,220 | Jun 2014 | 616 | 25,423 | Sep 2014 | 300 | 26,480 | Dec 2014 | 137 | 27,240 |
Q1 total | 413 | Q2 total | 1,203 | Q3 total | 1,057 | Q4 total | 750 | ||||
79 FR 25176 | 1,001 | 79 FR 46306 | 576 | 79 FR 64031 | 776 | 80 FR 7685 | 1,062 | ||||
Annual totals for 2014 | Fed. Reg. | 3,415 | NICS | 3,423 | 27,240 | ||||||
Jan 2015 | 271 | 27,511 | Apr 2015 | 767 | 29,413 | Jul 2015 | 856 | 30,973 | Oct 2015 | 194 | 31,869 |
Feb 2015 | 105 | 27,616 | May 2015 | 543 | 29,956 | Aug 2015 | 552 | 31,525 | Nov 2015 | 318 | 32,187 |
Mar 2015 | 1,030 | 28,646 | Jun 2015 | 161 | 30,117 | Sep 2015 | 150 | 31,675 | Dec 2015 | 479 | 32,666 |
Q1 total | 1,406 | Q2 total | 1,471 | Q3 total | 1,568 | Q4 total | 989 | ||||
80 FR 26618 | 1,335 | 80 FR 45709 | 460 | 80 FR 65851 | 1,426 | 81 FR 6598 | 1,058 | ||||
Annual totals for 2015 | Fed. Reg. | 4,279 | NICS (-10) | 5,416 | 32,666 | ||||||
Jan 2016 | 253 | 32,919 | Apr 2016 | 860 | 34,807 | Jul 2016 | 350 | 36,378 | Oct 2016 | 440 | 37,346 |
Feb 2016 | 539 | 33,458 | May 2016 | 765 | 35,572 | Aug 2016 | 252 | 36,630 | Nov 2016 | 227 | 37,573 |
Mar 2016 | 489 | 33,947 | Jun 2016 | 456 | 36,028 | Sep 2016 | 276 | 36,906 | Dec 2016 | 430 | 38,003 |
Q1 total | 1,281 | Q2 total | 2,081 | Q3 total | 878 | Q4 total | 1,097 | ||||
81 FR 27198 | 1,158 | 81 FR 50058 | 509 | 81 FR 79098 | 1,379 | 82 FR 10185 | 2,365 | ||||
Annual totals for 2016 | Fed. Reg. | 5,411 | NICS (-16) | 5,321 | 38,003 | ||||||
Jan 2017 | 377 | 38,380 | Apr 2017 | 460 | 39,947 | Jul 2017 | 329 | 41,001 | Oct 2017 | 284 | 41,960 |
Feb 2017 | 344 | 38,724 | May 2017 | 381 | 40,328 | Aug 2017 | 326 | 41,327 | Nov 2017 | ||
Mar 2017 | 763 | 39,487 | Jun 2017 | 344 | 40,672 | Sep 2017 | 349 | 41,676 | Dec 2017 | ||
Q1 total | 1,484 | Q2 total | 1,185 | Q3 total | 1,004 | Q4 total | |||||
82 FR 21877 | 1,313 | 82 FR 36188 | 1,759 | 82 FR 50xxx | 1,376 | ||||||
Totals so far for 2017 | Fed. Reg. | 4,448 | NICS | 3,957 | 41,960 |
Conclusion
Tomorrow we may get some good news about the US’ treatment of its diaspora, or we may not. Even if we do, there’s still a long, hard road ahead for US persons in other countries trying to live normal lives like their neighbours. Territorial Taxation for Individuals faces opposition from Democrats, and it’s unclear how valiantly House Republicans will defend it if their Homeland base, fed on a diet of mendacious coverage like this, objects to “expats getting huge tax breaks” while they suffer attempted repeal of the state and local tax deduction or the mortgage interest deduction. Also, any proposal offering even a hint of sanity for the diaspora, whether that proposal come from Republicans Overseas, American Citizens Abroad, or Democrats Abroad, will likely face bipartisan opposition from diaspora-hating Senate Finance Committee members such as Chuck Grassley, Bob Casey, and Bill Nelson.
Furthermore, as USCitizenAbroad points out in a comment, FBAR repeal does not appear to be under consideration. FATCA IGAs and all the bank machinery to enforce them will remain in place until someone explicitly burns them all to the ground. No one knows what will happen to things like the Section 2801 inheritance tax on US heirs of non-compliant expatriates (which House Republicans explicitly chose to retain during their unanimous vote two years to repeal the estate tax, and which unlike the estate tax does not have any $5.5 million exemption). The Reed Amendment lurks in the background, unenforced but also unrepealed.
It’s been eight years since the 2009 “Offshore” Voluntary Disclosure Program started the painful and intimidating audits which ultimately led to five-figure fines against minnows who had missed two figures per year of US taxes, and the FATCA hammer slamming every bank in sight in alleged pursuit of tax evaders. Some people have exhausted their reserves of energy, and don’t have the wherewithal to hang on for another year or however long this all takes. Some people have lost all faith in the US government, and don’t trust it not to yank the rug back out from under them once they’ve gotten comfortable. Non-Americans will continue to be wary of doing business with Americans abroad, after seeing how easily the US government used those Americans as Trojan horses to breach other countries’ sovereignty and invade their privacy.
A solution would be welcome, but the US has already done irreversible damage to its diaspora, shattering good will and taxpayer morale. The names in this list are a reminder of that.
Thanks Karen. Not a ban, then – just that he would get taxed as US resident. That makes sense, in the US worldview. They seem to be paranoid about US citizens renouncing in order to sneak back and live tax-free in the US.
@plaxy
I met him at a wedding and I believe he said he can only officially work there for 29 days/year He needs this arrangement to stay involved in the movie business.
Did you really? Meet him? Very funny man – was he funny at the wedding?
@karen
I guess he had to condense his work into those 28 days, but is under the same rules as us now. I also heard the sob’s audited him on the 10th year!
Graham Lanktree’s already getting well-deserved nasty replies on Twitter
https://twitter.com/g_lanktree/status/926021060683812864
https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/926071489958432769
Here’s his Twitter profile (emphasis mine)
@plaxy
Yes, I was on same table as him, he was not particularly funny but very smart and quick witted.
Close friends of mine were at med school with Graham Chapman, so we would get tickets to all the Monty python live recordings. Ah those swinging 60’s……
Too true…
The two page talking points are out; ” Modernizes our international tax system
so America’s global businesses will no longer be held back by an outdated “worldwide” tax system that results in double taxation for many of our nation’s job creator”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-02/gop-tax-plan-talking-point-highlights-released
Why do I sense a screwing?
@getout
If I were you, I’d call the consulate and ask what the hold up is. It might be something innocuous such as the responsible clerk being out with the flu.
I just relinquished in Vienna in August and they told me the CLN would take about 5 weeks, but it only took 3! Austria is the same as Germany in that they don’t issue citizenship without the CLN. Having also been “stateless” from 9 August to 27 October, I can sympathise with your wife’s situation. I experienced a delay on the Austrian side when trying to get a “Staatsbürgerschaftnachweis” for a passport application because the town clerk was on holiday for two weeks and no one else felt competent enough to print one out for me.
Best wishes to you and your wife. Hope it works out soon!
Raw Story reposted Newsweek’s bullshit story. In case the political message wasn’t getting across well enough to their readers, they changed the photo from Newsweek’s hand holding a passport to “Wealthy friends sip champagne on a yacht” stock photo.
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/more-rich-americans-are-giving-up-citizenship-to-avoid-tax/
Unlike Newsweek, they allow comments (Disqus)
@George (GB)
Although I remain hopeful that a territorial based tax system will be put into place for individuals, elimination of the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) would be a big step forward for Americans abroad who file using a foreign tax credit rather than an income exclusion. This would mean that many of these individuals could complete a US tax filing themselves instead of relying on a CPA.
here it is:
https://waysandmeansforms.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tax_cuts_and_jobs_act_section_by_section.pdf
@Moderators, It is now time to take the gloves off and call Presidenet Trump and the promises made by the GOP to be exactly what they were L-I-E-S.
Trump owns FATCA today.
Trump owns every single renunciation, today.
Ditto on the GOP.
We did not get a scrap, not a single stinking scrap.
We were told by Trump and the GOP to eat cake.
@ Stephen Kish
Skimmed it but so far I’ve come up with a “nothin’ burger” for overseas US-persons. I can’t find anything that looks like TTFI. 🙁 Have you or anyone else found anything postive? RO’s FB has not posted anything yet and I think they would have if the news was good.
Reading the comments on the raw story and I am upset at how the compliance industry and Homelanders are painting a negative picture of American expats overseas. What benefits do we get living overseas from USA besides compliance nightmares and paying the compliance industry for forms only and some of us with no tax to pay ? What wealth we have made from USA? Most if of us made money overseas or making ends meet to survive, This is purely BS.
@getout
My son renounced in late September in Frankfurt.
His paperwork and canceled passport came last week in the self-addressed envelope (we had to pay for), BUT unfortunately there was someone else’s CLN in the package. That person also renounced late September (different day).
Still waiting for the fuckup to be cleared away.
Can’t expect good service for that extremely cheap price they’re asking now days, can you?
@UnforgivenToo and @getout
Frankfurt is the hub for all of the German-speaking consulates, I believe, and encompasses social security and IRS, too. Maybe it’s so chaotic due to its size? Vienna seems like just a tiny outpost operation and has referred me to Frankfurt in the past, for example, when trying to figure out where to get a certificate of health insurance coverage.
+284 renunciants in NICS during October. NICS actually running kinda slow this year.
https://web.archive.org/web/20171103183818/https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/active_records_in_the_nics-indices.pdf
Decent article by Joe Palazzolo at WSJ: “Americans on Pace for Record Year in Renouncing Citizenship “. No false claim of the list containing green card holders, and he found an actual normal renunciant to interview (a history professor in Germany)
https://www.wsj.com/articles/americans-on-pace-for-record-year-in-renouncing-citizenship-1509661341
Too bad there’s also this scientifically-inaccurate and unhelpful comparison:
For the record, 18 cc of water contains about six hundred sextillion molecules. A 5.4 litre bucket would have 180 septillion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mole_(unit)
National Post and Lebanon Daily Star are just running the Bloomberg article, with the same stupid joke about John Quitter’s name. National Post added another unrelated blurb about survey of things Homelanders worry about and tries to imply that stuff is the reason
http://nationalpost.com/news/world/a-record-number-of-americans-are-renouncing-their-citizenship
https://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/World/2017/Nov-03/424965-americans-renouncing-citizenship-at-record-pace.ashx
“Simon Black” writes about the list and is unimpressed by even the domestic aspects of the tax reform bill. Zero Hedge seems to have stopped reposting his articles.
https://www.sovereignman.com/trends/thousands-of-americans-renounced-their-citizenship-again-22579/
http://investmentwatchblog.com/thousands-of-americans-renounced-their-citizenship-again/
Zerohedge would have done better sticking to reposting International Man articles, instead “Tyler Durden” wrote a typical blinkered Homelander article
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-01/record-number-americans-expected-renounce-citizenship-2017
China Times (Taiwanese paper) running translation of WSJ article but they cut the interview with an actual renunciant
http://www.chinatimes.com/newspapers/20171104000063-260202
They translated the “molecules” bit as “one hair on nine cows”
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E4%B9%9D%E7%89%9B%E4%B8%80%E6%AF%9B
Another article re the latest ‘name and shame’ numbers, https://www.angloinfo.com/blogs/global/us-tax/expatriation-update-following-boris-johnson-john-quitter-quits-the-usa/ but I’m getting soooooo tired of the negative associations. The title is catchy, but unfortunate. We know that the author knows that those on the list have more than sufficient good cause to officially sever ties to the US (as has been said here at IBS, and I paraphrase USCitizenAbroad we didn’t leave the US, the US left us…..).
Playing cutesy with something that causes so much angst and pain does not become her. I’ll not be giving that particular article a second hit.
Strange tweet from Dems Abroad United Arab Emirates on Graham Lanktree’s garbage Newsweek story
No idea what they’re trying to say
From a look at their website, it looks like they’re trying to position DA and the Democratic Party as champions of RBT. The “FATCA Action Task Force” is no longer mentioned – instead there’s a “2017 Taxation Task Force”. If no relief for expats in the final GOP bill, the Dems will perhaps seek to use it against them in the coming election campaign.
Just landed on the list. I must say that the US consulate in Marseille was extremely efficient and polite when I went in to renounce about a year and a half ago.
I can’t say enough about the US consulate in Bern Switzerland. I went here for my visa. They were some of the most polite and efficient US government workers I have ever come across. I’m half tempted to give them 5 stars on Trip Advisor. I went to the Bern consulate at the recommendation of my lawyers and they were spot on. Bern itself is quite boring but the swiss people themselves were incredibly polite. It felt like a wonderland out of some fairy tale.
Overall I must admit that my experience with the US government was both cheery and efficient.
@UnforgivenToo
Mixing up two people’s CLN’s is pretty ridiculous and you just wonder whether it’s malicious on their part.
What irks me, obviously, is that your son’s case has been closed already, even though he expatriated after my wife. Not to be jealous or anything, but we do have some travel plans for next year and the German side of things is going to take a few months after getting the CLN.
An email to the consulate inquiring about an updated timeline obviously went unanswered…