93 thoughts on “1,376 published expatriates in Q3 2017 Federal Register list of people giving up US citizenship”

1. Thank you Eric. Your Liberty List reports are very much appreciated.

2. Yay! I made the list! My relinquishment date was 9 August 2017.
   It feels great to be “named and shamed”! LOL

3. Thanks Eric for the fine write-up!

   One of the renunciants is Angela Gisela Liechtenstein. This is likely the wife of Prince Max of Liechtenstein. She was born in Panama but grew up in New York:

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Angela_of_Liechtenstein

4. Well if they’re going to ban anybody from the country for involvement in tax evasion, it should be the Liechtenstein royals.

5. So, a slight dip in renunciations / relinquishments in 2017 (extrapolating for Q4), relative to what may have been a peak in the last couple of years. I guess we’re getting the cohort of people who may have thought about waiting to see what Trump would do? (Of course these would be the ones who didn’t wait.)

6. Thanks for posting this, Eric. My son and I are both on the list (renouncements in April and June of this year); we had each submitted our paperwork before last year’s election.

   “the US has already done irreversible damage to its diaspora, shattering good will and taxpayer morale. The names in this list are a reminder of that.”

   This.

   The U.S. lost four of us in one family, each of whom would have been delighted to remain a U.S. citizen and serve as an informal ambassador. Given current events, I can’t imagine the U.S. can afford to squander any more resources, especially goodwill abroad. Far from feeling shamed, we each feel relief at simplifying our lives in Canada, which for all of us is home and not a “foreign country”, especially for my kids, who were born here.

7. Americans are renouncing because of FATCA:

   https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-01/americans-are-renouncing-citizenship-at-a-record-pace?utm_campaign=news&utm_medium=bd&utm_source=applenews

8. The Bloomberg numbers are different, and projects a 26% rise over 2016.

9. Good work again, Eric!

   I have (only) found two pairs of duplicate names this time — one with surname LIANG and one with surname SELINGER.

10. That Bloomberg report is horrible.

11. The Hill’s article isn’t so bad
    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/358277-record-number-of-americans-renouncing-citizenship-in-2017

    But the comments and Twitter replies are terrible anyway
    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/358277-record-number-of-americans-renouncing-citizenship-in-2017?mode=comments#disqus_thread
    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/925892716633800704
    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/925914626881150976

    For some reason I don’t understand, there are a bunch of insulting responses from Bitcoin promoters
    https://twitter.com/Crypto2U/status/925864819214893057
    https://twitter.com/ThoriumWealth/status/925905195111993344

    As well as other generic nationalist butt-hurt:
    https://twitter.com/theusaclub/status/925841085603237889

12. It’s that last line in the Bloomberg piece that stinks. John Quitter. I wish Quitter would sue.

13. I reckoned there would be a slow down in renunciations. Anyone clued up enough to be contemplating renouncing would surely be clued up enough to know what is going on right now and that their renunciation might not be necessary.

14. The guy the Bloomberg writer took a pop at seems to be a London banker. Could he sue for defamation in UK courts I wonder. I hope he reads Bloomberg

15. Chinese- & Korean-language media are running translations of the Bloomberg article (without the “Quitter” line – insulting pun sounds even stupider if you have to include a translator’s note with it)

    http://www.newspim.com/news/view/20171102000045
    https://tw.news.yahoo.com/%E5%A4%96%E5%9C%8B%E6%9C%88%E4%BA%AE%E6%AF%94%E8%BC%83%E5%A4%A7-%E7%BE%8E%E5%9C%8B%E6%94%BE%E6%A3%84%E5%9C%8B%E7%B1%8D%E4%BA%BA%E6%95%B8%E5%B9%B4%E6%88%90%E9%95%B726-044016808.html

16. @Bubbles…….Good morning.

    “Americans are renouncing because of FATCA:”

    As you and others know….I have been quick to defend Candidate Trump, President Trump and the Republican Party. But there was a limit to that and I am on record as stating that patience would run out in September and it has.

    Americans are renouncing because;

    1. President Trump FAILED to exercise his Executive Authority and STOP sigining new IGA agreements.
    2. President Trump FAILED to exercise his Executive Authority by instructing his Secretary of the Treasury to exercise the Secretary’s authority granted by Congress under the Bank Secrecy Act to index the $10,000 FBAR requirement with inflation and to declare that accounts held in countries with robust AML and KYC rules were exempt from reporting!!

    The very first person who renounced on October 1, 2017 renounced because of President Trump.

    Today, President Trump OWNS the plight and is responsible for the very harm inflicted on every so called deemed American outside the USA. The baton or rather whip has now been handed from Obama to Trump and Trump has grabbed the whip and it is his agency’s and his secretarys that are doing the whipping.

    I say this as someone who has defended the man 100%.

    It is indeed a very sad day.

17. Reddit threads

    Bloomberg article
    https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/7a66v7/americans_are_renouncing_citizenship_at_a_record/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/7a6rw0/americans_are_renouncing_their_us_citizenship_at/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFilterNews/comments/7a6x3t/americans_are_renouncing_their_us_citizenship_at/

    The Hill article:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/7a66aa/report_record_number_of_americans_renouncing/

18. F*ck you, Newsweek, for this headline.

    http://www.newsweek.com/more-rich-americans-are-giving-their-citizenship-avoid-taxes-699247

    And can you spot the utter fakeness of the passport picture?

19. @Barbara, someone needs to call them on the carpet for that misleading headline.

    Did the writer examine the list of names to determine who was rich and who was not rich?

    What is the definition of “rich?”

20. Holly Gilliam, daughter of Terry Gilliam of Monte Python Fame, is on the list. Terry renounced very publically in 2006 and had to do the 10 yrs tax stint.

21. My wife renounced in early September 2017 in Frankfurt and hasn’t received her CLN, and she also didn’t make the Q3-17 Federal Register list. At her appointment, she was told that currently the turnaround for the CLN was 6-8 weeks only. More than 8 weeks have passed though. Does anyone have an up-to-date estimate of the turnaround for Frankfurt?
    (Germans won’t issue her citizenship without the CLN, so until that arrives she’s stateless and cannot travel).

22. @Barbara, @ Moderators….I think we need to start headline linking to these FALSE articles and set the record straight.

    I just emailed the following to Newsweek and suggest others do as well.

    This headline “More Rich Americans Are Giving Up Their Citizenship to Avoid Taxes” is false and misleading. Did the writer actually review the list and research the names on the list? The TRUTH is that most of the names were simply Average Americans who gave up their US Dual Nationality because they were shut out of jobs, opening basic bank accounts or threatened by divorce by a non-US Citizen spouse.

    You should better research this issue by going to the Isaac Brock Society;

    http://isaacbrocksociety.ca

    And by looking at the study conducted by Democrats Abroad!!
    http://www.democratsabroad.org/taxation_report_2017?utm_campaign=glb_ttf_report&utm_medium=email&utm_source=democratsabroad
    http://www.democratsabroad.org/taxation_report_2017?utm_campaign=glb_ttf_report&utm_medium=email&utm_source=democratsabroad

    STOP THE LIES AND CORRECT YOUR REPORTING!!!

23. Wikipedia says of Terry Gilliam:

    “As a result of renouncing his citizenship, Gilliam is permitted to spend only 29 days per year in the United States, fewer than ordinary British citizens.”

    I wasn’t told of such a rule. Does it really exist?

24. Graham Lanktree, that’s the guy at Newsweek. Maybe somebody could find his contact details and have word with him about his appallingly inaccurate headline.

25. plaxy – that’s an old rule that applies only to those who renounced before June 17, 2008. It only applies for the first 10 years after expatriation, so if Gilliam renounced in 2006, he should be past the 10 year period by now.

    From form 8854 instructions (in the section for those who renounced between 2004 and 2008):

    Tax consequences of presence in the United States after expatriation.
    If, for any tax year during the 10-year period in which you are otherwise subject to section 877, you are present in the United States for more than 30 days in a calendar year ending in such tax year, you will be treated as a U.S. citizen or resident for that tax year. You will be subject to U.S. tax on your worldwide income unless the following exception applies.