UPDATED WED APRIL 26
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As Ms. Bean testifies to the insignificance of #Americansabroad, Dani’s uniform and passport are to her right. Yes, those of us abroad, only 4300 renouncing vs 730,000 coming in, simply do not matter. Noticeable large errors regarding foreign countries supposedly taxing their citizens when they leave (that is not what CRS is); not getting it clear that OVDI is the source of the collection, starting in 2009, before FATCA was even signed; US banks do not like FATCA, they don’t want to report like foreign banks required. Maybe someone should explain to Ms. Bean that Hillary was the shield of the other 47,500 that were not turned over.
Before adjourning, Mr. Meadows has asked each witness to come up with 3 ways revisions could be made that would address the issues heard about today. While we all want FATCA repealed, maybe for the sake of compromise, we could at least try the same……………….
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Updates April 25, 2017!!
TESTIMONIES OF WITNESSES FOR TOMORROW’S HEARING ARE HERE
VIDEO TESTIMONY OF DONNA-LANE NELSON
REVIEWING THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THE FOREIGN ACCOUNT TAX COMPLIANCE ACT
Subcommittee on Government Operations
SUBCOMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS
HEARING DATE: APRIL 26, 2017 2:00 PM 2154 RHOB
PURPOSE:
To examine the effects of the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA) on the U.S. and international economy, as well as potential legislative remedies.
BACKGROUND:
Signed into law in 2010, FATCA requires non-U.S. financial institutions to report assets and identities of U.S. citizens with non-U.S. financial accounts to the Internal Revenue Service.
As a result, many foreign banks have stopped serving U.S. citizens, and record numbers of Americans have renounced their citizenship.
Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) and five expatriates filed a lawsuit claiming FATCA constitutes an unconstitutional breach of privacy, as well as an illegal treaty
WITNESSES AND TESTIMONIES
Name Title Organization Panel Document
The Honorable Rand PaulU.S. Senator State of Kentucky
Mr. James Bopp, Jr. Attorney The Bopp Law Firm, PC
Mr. Mark Crawford Director AKSIONER International Security Brokerage
Mr. Daniel Kuettel Former U.S. citizen living in Switzerland who renounced his U.S. citizenship due to FATCA
Ms. Elise Bean Washington Co-Director Levin Center at Wayne Law Wayne State University
Updates April 23, 2017!!
The Democrats have selected Carl Levin Protege, Professor Elise Bean, as their witness in support of FATCA. Professor Bean is an interesting choice given that the focus of the hearing, in its plain terms is:
REVIEWING THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THE FOREIGN ACCOUNT TAX COMPLIANCE ACT
It seems to me that Professor Bean might be a much better witness if the hearing were for the purpose of:
CELEBRATING THE INTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THE FOREIGN ACCOUNT TAX COMPLIANCE ACT
To glean some insight into the perspective of Professor Bean, read the account of her March 30 meeting in Washington with PANA committee of the European Parliament. In explaining the superiority of the U.S. approach to penalties and enforcement she noted:
Bean agreed with MEPs that the US is in a more advanced position than the EU when it comes to penalties and enforcement.
“On improving enforcement, there are three things you can do in the EU,” she said. “The first is to increase your fines – your fines at the moment are a fraction of what the banks are earning. Secondly, you should require that the company or bank admits liability. This opens the door for class action lawsuits. Thirdly, make sure that the fines are not tax-deductible. Taxpayers end up paying more than big banks when the fines are tax-deductible.
“In the US, we also use monitors on compliance. We have a monitor who will monitor the institution for a period of two years to ensure that the required changes are actually made. Make the banks pay for their own monitoring.”
Bean also informed the European delegation that there will be tax justice demonstrations taking place in Washington and 60 cities across the US on April 15. The protests will demand Trump releases his tax returns but will also call for ending deferral of corporate taxes and for action on shell companies, she said.
Professor Bean is a colleague of Professor Linda Beale of Wayne State Law School. Professor – through her own writings – is NOT sympathetic to problems of taxation-based citizenship and Americans abroad. She has distinguished herself as one who fundamentally believes that everybody with an undisclosed “offshore bank account” is (to use her words) a “scofflaw“. The professor, as well as a professor of tax law, is apparently also an expert in investing and diversification of assets as evidence by the following gem:
Now, there are at least two interesting things about the Romney’s stashing $3 million in a very low yield Swiss bank account.
1) There are better things to do with money. Even if you don’t mind a low return, you could hold that money in the US–helps the US economy more than in a Swiss bank, and is easily available without the transaction costs of getting it out of your secret Swiss bank account. Why would the Romney’s have a Swiss bank account with a very low yield? The Romney spokesperson says “diversification” but that doesn’t hold water. Makes one wonder where this money came from and certainly why it ended up in a Swiss bank.
In 2012, Professor Linda Beale introduced herself to the Isaac Brock Society in a thread which is referenced in the following tweet:
Prof. L. Beale – comments on her support of "specified reporting requirements from citizens to their governments" https://t.co/vDgyirXkcR
— U.S. Citizen Abroad (@USCitizenAbroad) April 24, 2017
Professor Beale is a living, breathing argument for why it has become impossible for Americans abroad to retain U.S. citizenship and one of the reasons why:
When it's all said and done: All roads lead to renunciation https://t.co/dOeWdjNtXV
— U.S. Citizen Abroad (@USCitizenAbroad) April 24, 2017
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And now back to our originally schedule broadcast …
Q. What do Ronald Reagan and Heidi have in common?
A. They both became disillusioned with the Democratic Party
When questioned about this, Mr. Reagan noted (referring to the period in his life when he was a Democrat) that:
1. He thought many foolish things in those days; and
2. In any case, he had not really left the Democratic Party. Rather the party had left him.
@FredB
“Speaking of which my personal politics are being completely turned on their head, and I am in danger of turning into a former Democrat even before I turn into a former American. Because even though most of what the Republicans stand for makes me shake my head, the only ones who have caused me harm personally are the Democrats.”
This is also the road I have travelled, from a liberal minded, east coast, physician to a renounced EX American who would rather see anyone in the White house rather than the likes of the Clinton democratic mindset.
But honestly , does it matter what the social policies of the US are anymore? We don’t live there, our concerns should be just about their fiscal policies and the effects on US citizens abroad.
I am no longer an American . My concerns now are for my own country and their policies. If you are settled abroad in your other citizenship, then does it matter if you have second thoughts about being ‘their form” of an American Democrat? You can still be a Democratic socialist or whatever in your resident country. Let America go, it is an abusive partner in your life. Hoping for it to change doesn’t work
And now, an advertisement from Democrats Abroad …
The @DemsAbroad say: "When injustice becomes law, then resistance becomes a duty". Yet #StepFordWives "suck and blow" by supporting #FATCA! pic.twitter.com/JCQuPCyy8y
— U.S. Citizen Abroad (@USCitizenAbroad) April 21, 2017
Sad but true. The Democrats Abroad AKA “The Stepford Wives” have once again conveyed the message (reminding me of a Democrat president):
“Let every Expat know, whether he wishes us well or ill, that Democrats shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of FATCA and Taxation-based citizenship.”
When it comes to supporting Democratic Party Central: Democrats Abroad are like The Stepford Wives https://t.co/sbaEVmBsP8 – it's a #FATCA
— U.S. Citizen Abroad (@USCitizenAbroad) April 21, 2017
Yup, #YouCantMakeThisUp
For years and years the Democrats have made it clear that they fully support FATCA and taxation-based citizenship. One would think that they would keep their sentiments quiet. Yet, once again they have broadcasted their hatred of Americans abroad to the world.
It reminds me a bit of a teacher I once had who reminded me that:
“Sometimes it’s better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”
Yet, that’s what those “Stepford Wives” have done, yet again. Brace yourself, after publicly condemning the Bopp/Republicans Overseas FATCA lawsuit, after failing to directly call for a move to “residence-based taxation” in it’s submission to the Senate Finance Committee, after arguing for FATCA Same Country Exemption (which would benefit only tax compliant Homelanders Abroad and support a U.S. FATCA attack on their own countries of residence), on the eve of the April 26/17 FATCA hearings in Washington, DC, they have once again confirmed their total and absolute hatred of Americans abroad and their support of FATCA.
Here it is, straight from the Donkey’s mouth:
In light of the annual IRS deadline, we’ve been receiving a lot of questions about DA’s advocacy on filing issues for overseas Americans. Why not support Rand Paul’s proposal to eliminate FATCA entirely?
From our late 2016 FATCA FAQs:
Republicans say they want to repeal FATCA. Why won’t Democrats Abroad join their campaign to repeal FATCA?
Democrats Abroad supports policy that cracks down on illegal tax avoidance. When some taxpayers break the law by hiding assessable earnings from the IRS in offshore accounts it increases the burden for the rest of us. For many decades those with access to elite financial structures and schemes have been using offshore accounts in bank/tax secrecy jurisdictions to become even richer. Nations throughout the world have determined to bring this practice to an end and Democrats Abroad believes that is a good thing. Democrats Abroad supports the policy initiative behind FATCA. We also think FATCA can be fixed to remove the unintended adverse impacts it has on law-abiding Americans abroad.
In January 2014 the Republican National Committee (RNC) passed a resolution calling for the repeal of FATCA. While the resolution made it look like repealing FATCA would be Republican Party policy, the Republican-controlled House of Representatives did not introduce a bill calling for FATCA to be repealed in all of 2014. A bill calling for the repeal of parts of FATCA was reintroduced in the Senate by Senator Rand Paul in March 2015. It has one co-sponsor and a 1% chance of being enacted.
The RNC and Republicans Overseas, the organization formed in 2013 by members of the RNC to cultivate the overseas vote for Republicans, has been very open about their strategy of exploiting the anger and upset around FATCA to raise money and build support for Republican candidates amongst Americans living abroad.
Republicans Overseas has admitted that it sees FATCA as a political tactic for activating a ground game to attract overseas voters. If FATCA had been repealed by Congress before 2016, the Republicans would lose this wedge issue in the 2016 campaign. Republicans ran in the 2014 midterm elections on a pledge to repeal FATCA as soon as they won control of the Senate. They
have had control of both houses for two years but a repeal bill to mirror Sen Paul’s bill has not as yet been introduced in the House. And why would it? The GOP can use the promise of a FATCA repeal to take into its campaigns for Congress and the White House. We understand that FATCA hearings may be planned for the months leading up to election day – an opportunity to make the case for repeal. We are putting ourselves forward for inclusion on the witness list for a House hearing on FATCA should one be scheduled for this year.There is a global context for this question as well. By 2017 FATCA will have been in place for more than three years and be well entrenched in the compliance practices of international banks and brokerage houses. In addition, in 2017 the “global FATCA” will start to come online with the commencement of financial account reporting by at least 80 countries under the OECD Common Reporting Standards. By that time international financial account transparency and disclosure will be a given and the global crackdown on illegal tax avoidance will be very difficult for Republicans to arrest.
Is this for real? Rather than defend their FATCA Attack On Americans Abroad, they are attacking those Republicans who support FATCA repeal. Yes, yes, bring it on!!
Don’t forget that the Obama Treasury (you know the “Change You Can Believe In” – Hopey Changey Guy”) refused to to accept Same Country Exemption confirming its attack on Americans abroad.
Now, back to the April 26, 2017 FATCA hearings in Washington, DC (resulting from the FATCA repeal legislation proposed by Congressman Mark Meadows and Senator Rand Paul). Although these were not organized by the Democrats, they apparently will have witness(es) in attendance who will defend FATCA. This is good, because instead of attacking and condemning the Republicans (the current justification of their focus on FATCA retention), they will (presumably) be forced to explain why FATCA is so desirable. Rumour is that there will be a way to witness this spectacle live online!! Yes live online!!
Check back and the link to the link to the proceedings where there will be a hearing into FATCA (including the harm done to Americans abroad). This spectacle should NOT be missed. You will see that those who oppose FATCA (a broad range of people) and those who support FATCA (the Democrats) providing evidence and discussion.
But, the FATCA hearings aside …
The great “genius” of “Democracy in America” is that it is dominated by two private clubs. These private clubs are the Democratic and Republican parties. This party dominated process brought us “The Donald” who was chosen in spite of the Republican Party and “Crooked Hillary Clinton” who was chosen BECAUSE of the DNC.
In other words, the Democratic Party will not be going away in the immediate future.
Democrats Abroad (which is probably a group of Homelanders) is here to stay and here to continue one of the core missions of the Democratic Party:
The Democratic Party wants to destroy Americans abroad.
And the lesson from this is:
You keep your friends close and your enemies closer, that's why I intend to join @Demsabroad (… https://t.co/toVg1LHISj via @@USExpatCanada
— U.S. Citizen Abroad (@USCitizenAbroad) April 21, 2017
Got the FATCA hearing link on my desktop, ready to watch on Wednesday. Many thanks to everyone making this hearing possible and bringing it to us LIVE! Please don’t let Prof. Bean hog the hearing’s precious time … it isn’t about her … it’s about US!
As badger mentioned in another thread, Elise Bean (the Dem’s speaker) is a professor at Wayne State University.
Wayne State is also the home of our “old friend” Linda Beale, the allegedly-progressive tax professor who parrots right-wingers Chuck Grassley & Tom Coburn’s dogma about how the FEIE “discriminates” against Homelanders while simultaneously trying to claim that US taxation of French unemployment benefits to people living in France is “social justice”
http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2012/03/25/fatca-info-session-ottawa-26-march-11/comment-page-1/#comment-12752
http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2012/04/13/update-democrats-abroad-canada-annual-general-meeting-reports-on-fbarfatca-task-force-15/comment-page-1/#comment-14261
@Eric
Everyone is in synch! The Beal connection was posted earlier this evening on the Dems post by USCA.
In synch indeed. Beal did come to mind in relationship to Bean, although I couldn’t quite remember her name. Just change one consonant, they’re the same.
I guess it would be fair to say…that Beal and Bean are two “peas in a pod”… (pun intended).
Thanks for posting the link for Wednesday’s hearing. Isn’t technology grand?! To be able to *be* in Washington, and be a “fly on the wall” (electronically speaking) for the most significant discussion of our issues to date, is absolutely priceless. Yes, EmBee, I will hope and pray with every fibre of my being that WE get the lion’s share of the Committee’s time. Carl Levin’s side has had the mic long enough. It’s OUR turn. Go Keith!! Go Nigel!! Go Jim!! Go everybody else who is speaking on our behalf and supporting our fight for justice. You have 9 million people rooting for you!!
A’h my old friend Linda Beale. That goes back to the earliest earliest days Brock. Brings back great memories.
@ All
With other live videos I’ve watched there has been a realtime viewer counter. I’d encourage everyone who can to tune in on Wednesday to give a realtime boost to those who are testifying, attending and providing the video. Even if there isn’t a counter, tune in just to be among the first to know what happened.
You can read the witnesses testimonies here, as a warm-up to the main event tomorrow. Thank you Republicans Overseas for providing this.
https://republicansoverseas.com/fatca/fatca-hearing-4_26_2017/#.WP-WdPb-SUI.twitter
Donna Lane Nelson (video also)
Mark Crawford
Roger Johnson
Daniel Kuettel
Stephen John Kish
Marc Zell
James Bopp Jr.
Keith Redmond is not listed but I’m pretty sure he will be testifying too. Perhaps others as well? We need to shout down the government drone called Prof. Bean.
@EmBee
Post is already updated!
@ Patricia Moon
Sorry, I saw the update after I posted that comment. May I blame the April snow falling today for making me more scattered than usual?
This is what I found recently re Elise Bean;
“.“…On FATCA, reciprocity is not going to be a winning argument with this administration. In my opinion if FATCA was reopened at this stage to include the extra elements of the Common Reporting Standard (CRS), it would result in the repeal of FATCA.”…”
The quote above appears to be coming from Elise Bean;
“Elise Bean, former chief counsel of the US Senate’s Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, in Washington on March 21 as part of the committee’s fact-finding mission to the US. Bean, now a member of the Independent Commission for the Reform of International Corporate Taxation, previously visited Brussels to address the PANA committee in October last year.”
from;
’30 Mar PANA committee meets Elise Bean in Washington’
http://guengl-panamapapers.eu/pana-committee-meets-with-elise-bean-in-washington/
http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/fatca-and-the-eu/comment-page-3/#comment-7854987
@badger,
been thinking about that comment for some time now…hardly something one would expect from (as Bob Jones put it on FB) “the midwife of FATCA” LOL
Although, if someone like her says that and there’s enough pressure put on about reciprocity and/or joining OECD effort, then………………
Context is all.
She’s explaining to the visiting Europeans why the US Federal Government can’t just pass a law and require the states to accept it, as would happen in the EU. One of the reasons being that rather than reciprocate, the tax haven states might choose to repeal FATCA altogether, leaving the US entirely outside the AEOI framework. Which neither Elise Bean nor the Europeans would want to risk.
Thank you. We appreciate knowing you read our report and agreed with it. Chairman Hatch is very committed to an overhaul of the US international tax rules. We are spending considerable time working on it, and we surely hope we can succeed.
Kind regards,
J. Anthony Coughlan
Tax Counsel
U.S. Senate Finance Committee, Republican Staff
Senator Orrin G. Hatch (Utah), Chairman
219 Dirksen Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510-
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Read our report and agreed with it ?
I do NOT agree with the minimal amount of effort within the report (section F) .This gives NO solutions for 8.7 million ExPat Americans whom are under much duress physically, mentally,financially etc. This is affecting marriages, bank accounts people are crying giving up citizenship of a country they have fond memories of. Remember your forefathers broke away from Britain because of UNFAIR taxation. The US is the ONLY westernised country using CBT, We have come a long way since the horse and carts of the Civil War. Relationships and newer and better planes takes settlers to new countries. Engelbert had it right “Please release me let me go” (re taxation). Please give feedback regarding this SPECIFIC concern as reflected in 75% of the International (and a fair amount of the INDIVIDUAL ) tax submissions received. Frankly the answer we got reflects what some people are putting to the section reference F (guess the rest)
Please help this has been known to the government for many many years along with previous submissions
Fingers crossed
Hopefully “they” review isaacbrocksociety comments
Mark Zell’s testimony (written on the RO link) is excellent.
This former Democrat is deeply grateful that this will be happening in a Republican – led House.
Eyes on the youtube, waiting for the live stream to start. Meanwhile here’s a bit to read about our Swiss friends in Washington today. Surgite!
http://lovinglifeineurope.blogspot.ca/2017/04/madame-nelson-goes-to-washington-i.html
This looks like another place to watch the hearing.
Is anyone else having trouble with the audio feed from the hearing? I’ve tried both links …. no luck!
Got it!
The ember link is working for me.
Rand Paul nailed it! Refresh if you have an audio problem. It’s only available on oversightandreform youtube link (see comment above) … so far.
Connally up now … hiss … boo!
Connolly is blowing smoke confusing the issue.