This is an extremely important post because it makes clear that some “US Persons” in Canada, due to holding a green card, have an option to follow the advice of the CRA and not identify themselves as a US Person to their financial institution. This may also be possible in other countries IF a treaty has the same provisions as those discussed in this post and that tax agency has a similar position. Please do check carefully and follow through before deciding whether this can apply to you. And note, nothing in this post can be considered to be accounting or legal advice for your situation.
Without intending it, we seem to have started a new approach to the ongoing problem of having US law inflicted upon us outside the US. I consider this post connected to my recent posts which I will call the “Tax Treaty Series.” Brockers outside of Canada are encouraged to do what we do best; i.e., go and research this to see if people in your countries also have a possibility of utilyzing this information. I think it is undeniable that Brock has had perhaps the largest effect on these issues due to our beginning as a resource tool based upon research. Due to our REFUSAL to believe what we were being told without adequate proof. We have managed to make this situation/people uncomfortable and forced to see that there are other options available than those we are told/offered. No other expat organization as far as I can see, in the last four years, has contributed more. In this spirit, I want to initiate a new effort focused upon looking for “loopholes;” not loopholes in the sense that we get out of doing something. Loopholes where governments have failed to “nail” us to the US’s requirements and by which we may legally NOT follow what is presumed by such governments and the tax compliance industry. I think treaties are an area where we can do more than we have in the past. And I ask for suggestions for a new term – not “loopholes” – what shall we call these? – Patricia Moon
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cross-posted from citizenshipsolutions.ca
Introduction …
Circa 2014: Are Green Card Holders who r resident in Canada "US Persons" within the meaning of Canada US FATCA IGA? https://t.co/txcOlpNMfJ
— Citizenship Lawyer (@ExpatriationLaw) April 3, 2016
The above tweet references a comment that was left on Olivier Wagner’s Tax Samurai blog. Olivier is discussing an earlier post of mine called “When It Comes To FATCA, There Are Four Kinds Of Americans Abroad“.
I highly recommend his “post about my post”.
The comments discuss the question of:
Is a Green Card Holder resident in Canada a “U.S. Person”
for the purposes of FATCA?
The last comment notes that the Canada Revenue Agency is advising U.S. Green Card Holders who are resident in Canada that they should NOT identify as “U.S. Persons” under the FATCA IGA.
The exact text of the comment reads:
Green Card holders in Canada are interpreting the following statement from the Government of Canada to mean that FATCA does NOT apply to them:
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/nnrsdnts/nhncdrprtng/ndvdls-eng.html
“I hold a U.S. green card. How does this affect my tax residency?
If you are a green card holder (that is, a lawful permanent resident of the U.S.), the U.S. considers you to be a U.S. resident.
However, if you are a resident of Canada for tax purposes and do not hold U.S. citizenship, you should not identify yourself as a U.S. person to your Canadian financial institution.”
The actual IGA is here.
http://www.fin.gc.ca/treaties-conventions/pdf/FATCA-eng.pdf
The definition section includes “U.S. residents” which presumably means tax residents (which in the case of Green Card Holders may be affected by a Treaty election).
The plain reading of the statement on the CRA site will mean that Green Card holders resident in Canada will NOT identify as being U.S. tax subjects.
Note: I tried to leave a similar comment a moment ago, but it didn’t seem to show up. This is a duplicate. Feel free to pick one comment or the other.
– See more at:
http://www.taxsamurai.com/index.php/2014/09/06/four-kinds-americans-abroad-response/#comment-7
The purpose of this post is to expand this discussion …
Let me take you through a step-by-step analysis in 9 parts.
Part 1. What does the Canada U.S. FATCA IGA actually say?
FATCA is a “hunt” for “U.S. Persons” (focusing on those born in the
U.S.) and, according to the IGA:
1 (ee) The term “U.S. Person” means
(1) A U.S. citizen or resident individual,
This subparagraph 1(ee) shall be interpreted in accordance with the U.S. Internal Revenue Code.
https://www.fin.gc.ca/treaties-conventions/pdf/FATCA-eng.pdf
Part 2. Who is a “U.S. Person” according to the Internal Revenue Code?
S. 7701(a) of the Internal Revenue Code tells us that:
(a) (30) United States person
The term “United States person” means—
(a) a citizen or resident of the United States,
(and more that are not relevant to this post)
Part 3. Is a Green Card holder considered to be a “resident” of the United States?
Well, let’s look to the Internal Revenue Code. The answer is found in S.
7701(b) of the Internal Revenue Code.
(b) Definition of resident alien and non-resident alien
(1) In general
For purposes of this title (other than subtitle B)—
(A) Resident alien
An alien individual shall be treated as a resident of the United States with respect to any calendar year if (and only if) such individual meets the requirements of clause (i), (ii), or (iii):
(i) Lawfully admitted for permanent residence
Such individual is a lawful permanent resident of the United States at any time during such calendar year.
(ii) Substantial presence test
Such individual meets the substantial presence test of paragraph (3).
First year election
Such individual makes the election provided in paragraph (4).
(B) Non-resident alien
An individual is a non-resident alien if such individual is neither a citizen of the United States nor a resident of the United States (within the meaning of subparagraph (A)).
Conclusion: Under the Internal Revenue Code, a Green Card Holder (whether living in the United States or not) is considered to be a “resident” for tax purposes.
Part 4. If a Green Card Holder is a “resident” of the U.S. under the provisions of the Internal Revenue Code, then isn’t a Green Card Holder a “U.S. Person” under the Canada U.S. FATCA IGA?
Interesting …
First, Canada has the right to interpret the IGA.
Second, Canada and the U.S. have a “Tax Treaty”. One of the purposes of the Tax Treaty is to determine “residence” if a person qualifies as a “resident” of both Canada and the U.S. for tax purposes.
Under U.S. law a Green Card holder is a “U.S. resident” for tax purposes. But, under Canadian law, a Green Card holder who is resident in Canada is also a Canadian resident for tax purposes. It’s totally unfair for a Green Card holder to be considered to be a “resident” of BOTH Canada and the United States for tax purposes, right? (Only U.S.
citizens should be subjected to this level of unfairness, see below.)
Does the Tax Treaty resolve the question of “dual residency”? The answer is YES. You will find the answer in Article IV of the Treaty, which
includes:
2. Where by reason of the provisions of paragraph 1 an individual is a resident of both Contracting States, then his status shall be determined as follows:
(a) he shall be deemed to be a resident of the Contracting State in which he has a permanent home available to him; if he has a permanent home available to him in both States or in neither State, he shall be deemed to be a resident of the Contracting State with which his personal and economic relations are closer (centre of vital interests);
(b) if the Contracting State in which he has his centre of vital interests cannot be determined, he shall be deemed to be a resident of the Contracting State in which he has an habitual abode;
(c) if he has an habitual abode in both States or in neither State, he shall be deemed to be a resident of the Contracting State of which he is a citizen; and
(d) if he is a citizen of both States or of neither of them, the competent authorities of the Contracting States shall settle the question by mutual agreement.
Therefore, under the Canada U.S. Tax Treaty, a Green Card Holder who is “resident” in Canada, will be deemed to be a resident of Canada and NOT of the United States.
And this is why I believe that the Canada Revenue Agency provides the following advice to Green Card Holders who are “resident in Canada”:
I hold a U.S. green card. How does this affect my tax residency?
If you are a green card holder (that is, a lawful permanent resident of the U.S.), the U.S. considers you to be a U.S. resident.
However, if you are a resident of Canada for tax purposes and do not hold U.S. citizenship, you should not identify yourself as a U.S. person to your Canadian financial institution.
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/nnrsdnts/nhncdrprtng/ndvdls-eng.html
(Note that in taking this position, the Government of Canada, is under the provisions of the tax treaty, “treating” Green Card Holders who are resident in Canada as residents of Canada and NOT of the United States.
Note also that those Green Card Holders are NOT required to actually elect to claim the benefits of the treaty.)
Part 5. Oh my God! If Green Card Holders resident in Canada are NOT “U.S. Persons” under the FATCA IGA, then shouldn’t this apply to U.S. citizens resident in Canada too?
Not so fast. The Canada U.S. Tax Treaty contains a provision commonly known as “the savings clause”. You will find it in Article XXIX, paragraph 2:
Miscellaneous Rules
1. The provisions of this Convention shall not restrict in any manner any exclusion, exemption, deduction, credit or other allowance now or hereafter accorded by the laws of a Contracting State in the determination of the tax imposed by that State.
2. Except as provided in paragraph 3, nothing in the Convention shall be construed as preventing a Contracting State from taxing its residents (as determined under Article IV (Residence)) and, in the case of the United States, its citizens (including a former citizen whose loss of citizenship had as one of its principal purposes the avoidance of tax, but only for a period of ten years following such loss) and companies electing to be treated as domestic corporations, as if there were no convention between the United States and Canada with respect to taxes on income and on capital.
3. The provisions of paragraph 2 shall not affect the obligations undertaken by a Contracting State:
(a) under paragraphs 3 and 4 of Article IX (Related Persons), paragraphs
6 and 7 of Article XIII (Gains), paragraphs 1, 3, 4, 5, 6(b) and 7 of Article XVIII (Pensions and Annuities), paragraph 5 of Article XXIX (Miscellaneous Rules), paragraphs 1, 5 and 6 of Article XXIX B (Taxes Imposed by Reason of Death), paragraphs 2, 3, 4 and 7 of Article XXIX B (Taxes Imposed by Reason of Death) as applied to the estates of persons other than former citizens referred to in paragraph 2 of this Article, paragraphs 3 and 5 of Article XXX (Entry into Force), and Articles XIX (Government Service), XXI (Exempt Organizations), XXIV (Elimination of Double Taxation), XXV (Non-Discrimination) and XXVI (Mutual Agreement Procedure);(b) under Article XX (Students), toward individuals who are neither citizens of, nor have immigrant status in, that State.
Just see the part that I bolded in paragraph 2. This is how the “savings clause” works. Because of the “Savings Clause” you do NOT get the benefits of the Tax Treaty if you are a U.S. citizen!
An injection of commentary: The ONLY people (if they are worth calling people) who should be justly considered to be tax residents of BOTH Canada and the United States for tax purposes are U.S. citizens. Clearly they should be punished for having been “Born in the USA” and having left the USA, right? (If you don’t note the sarcasm, this sentence is to emphasize the sarcasm!).
Understand that the Canada U.S. Tax Treaty does NOT prevent double taxation on U.S. citizens resident in Canada. The “savings clause”
GUARANTEES double taxation of U.S. citizens resident in Canada. Any relief from double taxation comes NOT from the Treaty but from the Internal Revenue Code under the “Foreign Tax Credit” rules or under the “Foreign Earned Income Exclusion”!Yet people have been conned into believing that the Treaty is to prevent double taxation on U.S citizens. Go figure!
Part 6. Wow! the treaty “tie breaker” rules are an amazing opportunity? But, what if I am a Green Card Holder in a country that (1) has a FATCA IGA with the USA but that (2) does NOT have a “tax treaty”
with the USA?
Interesting question.
First, the U.S. Treasury makes it clear that a country can have a FATCA IGA without having a Tax Treaty.
Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA) https://t.co/imCNQzMwDM – list of countries with #FATCA treaties (or whatever they are)
— Citizenship Lawyer (@ExpatriationLaw) April 3, 2016
Second, a list of countries that the U.S. has a tax treaty with does NOT include all the countries in the world.
Does your country have a tax treaty with the USA? It'ts time to check! Here is the list of U.S. Tax Treaties : https://t.co/XJg8xegPsT
— Citizenship Lawyer (@ExpatriationLaw) April 3, 2016
Who could have known? The Bahamas (which by the way is a great place to combine a vacation with a renunciation of U.S. citizenship) has a FATCA IGA but no tax treaty.
The relevant provision of the U.S. Bahamas IGA include:
1(aa) The term “U.S. Person” means a U.S. citizen or resident individual, a partnership or corporation organized in the United States or under the laws of the United States or any State thereof, a trust if (i) a court within the United States would have authority under applicable law to render orders or judgments concerning substantially all issues regarding administration of the trust, and (ii) one or more U.S. persons have the authority to control all substantial decisions of the trust, or an estate of a decedent that is a citizen or resident of the United States. This subparagraph 1( aa) shall be interpreted in accordance with the U.S. Internal Revenue Code.
Looks like the Green Card Holder in the Bahamas is “SOL” a “U.S Person” under the U.S. Bahamas FATCA IGA.
In the same way that the U.S law treats U.S. citizens abroad differently depending on their country of residence, FATCA treats Green Card Holders abroad differently depending on their country of residence.
#YouCantMakeThisUp
Part 7. Back to Green Card Holders in Canada and the Canada U.S.
Tax Treaty
As always, there is “Good News” and “Bad News”.
First, the “Good News”.
You are being advised (with justification) that you are NOT a “U.S.
Person” for the purposes of FATCA reporting. In other words, if your bank asks you the question:
“Are you a “U.S. Person”, the Canada Revenue Agency is advising you to answer in the negative.
Second, the “Bad News”
As a Green Card Holder you are considered to be a “U.S Person” under the Internal Revenue Code. In “people talk” this means that you must file U.S. tax returns. The only question is whether you file as a “U.S.
resident – 1040” or if you take advantage of the provisions of the Tax Treaty by treating yourself as a “non-resident” of the U.S. and file as a “non-resident alien” – 1040-NR. This may involve making a formal election under the Tax Treaty to deem yourself to be a non-resident of the U.S. for tax purposes. You should get professional advice before filing as a “non-resident of the United States”. I repeat that you should get professional advice before taking advantage of the tax treaty and filing as a “non-resident” alien!
Why? Because …
1. If you file your U.S. tax return as a “non-resident” you may jeopardize your status as a lawful permanent resident of the United States (you might lose your Green Card); and
2. You may (according to the provision of S. 7701(b)(6) of the Internal Revenue Code have “expatriated yourself” and (are you ready for this?) be subject to the Exit Tax Provisions of the Internal Revenue Code.
So, PLEASE be careful …!
As per S. 7701(b)(6) of the Internal Revenue Code, ALL Green Card Holders are considered to be U.S. taxpayers. This harsh reality has been recently confirmed in the case of Topsnik. I will save you the trouble. Here is the
case:
Part 8. The “Oh My God” moment for Green Card Holders – How to cease being as U.S. tax subject …
I will discuss “Green Card Expatriation” (how to get rid of the Green Card SAFELY and possible tax consequences for so doing) in a future post. This future post will include the question of which Green Card Holders are subject to the S. 877A Exit Tax (a frightening prospect).
I just checked the CRA site for “Information for individuals holding accounts with Canadian financial institutions.”
https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/tax/international-non-residents/enhanced-financial-account-information-reporting/information-individuals-holding-accounts-canadian-financial-institutions.html
Previously re: GC holders it said:
Now it says (Date modified 2017-02-28):
There’s a difference between these statements. I prefer the “you should not identify” to the “you can inform” statement and only hope it doesn’t get modified for the worse in future updates.
What on earth could “as a result of the tie-breaker rules under the Canada–U.S. tax treaty” possibly mean in this context?
Both statements are strange insofar as a US citizen would not, by definition, have a green card.
And yes, “you can inform your financial institution that you are a resident of Canada and not a resident of the US” is a potentially confusing formulation that says nothing about US person status.
The hypothecated question “I hold a U.S. green card. How does this affect my tax residency?” means it is not addressing US citizens.
@Norman. Yes I know. Which is why it’s odd to include a statement about not holding US citizenship, was my point.
After reading the whole page, I get it. If you have a green card but under tie-breaker rules would be considered tax resident in Canada (i.e. you live in Canada but haven’t formally given up your green card) then you are not subject to FATCA reporting, even if the IRS still considers you a US person for tax purposes. I think that’s what it means, anyway.
This statement pleased me:
Self-certification of self-relinquishment is perfectly okay then.
Nice also to see the statement at the bottom about collections, or rather the refusal to assist with them.