12 January 2022
UPDATE February 13, 2016
I have finally decided on a new name for this post, which will not continue on this thread but as a new post:
I have not been updating this post as regularly as I intended. I have two items for you to think about today. One is a comment from a psychologist; I think it is extremely important to hear from a professional, as to how this entire situation can affect the well-being of one caught up in it. The comment was made in the context of the 2 meetings that were organized to offer people a chance to talk openly without any fear of being exposed; June 15, 2013 & March 29, 2014 (which Dr. Young was scheduled for but missed due to illness). The second item is an actual obituary for “J” for whom you will now see his actual name. I have been reluctant to post it but it has to come out eventually. I would expect ALL to respect the privacy of his family in Sweden.
One last thing for today. Many have commented as to how they cannot understand (or even don’t believe this story because of this) how a father could do such a thing with two young children. I suspect those who outright disbelieve it do not actually have children. Any honest parent will admit to the difficulty of the constant sacrifice required and how sometimes it simply is too much. Parents are not saints and they suffer the same myriad of issues as anyone else. And it is common knowledge in the counselling world that people who commit suicide feel extreme guilt at being the source of a problem, so the solution, in order to protect, is to take themselves out of the equation. No one would question a parent putting themself in front of a car to protect a child (even one who wasn’t their own). On a certain level, it is exactly the same thing. Life is not neat and tidy and clear sometimes.
All of the emphases are mine:
In the words of Dr. Donald Young
For those U.S citizens who have elected to live abroad, be it in Canada or elsewhere, American tax policy can place such individuals in a position that engenders constant and severe emotional stress. The vindictiveness of the U.S. position, its unfairness and irrationality, the fact that neither the U.S. government nor tax and legal experts even know the rules and how to rationally proceed, and the constant threat of economic calamity are all factors that can be emotionally devastating. From my observations over the years in people ensnared in this situation, and I would count myself among us, it is common to experience substantial anxiety, depression, feelings of panic and foreboding, guilt over being branded a cheat and a criminal, fear, anger, resentment, and general feelings of helplessness and confusion. I have in fact seen some people who have become virtually suicidal at the prospect of losing everything for the “crime” of not paying taxes to a country they have not lived in for decades if ever at all. I am a clinical psychologist licensed to practice in Ontario with 35 years of experience. I have also been appointed an assistant professor in the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Toronto. In recent years I have had the opportunity to discuss and address these problems with many individuals who are trapped in these tragic circumstances
Along with John I am happy to make myself available in any of the forums or meetings that will be forthcoming. There is always strength in numbers and sometimes much can be gained by discussing common problems together in a group. I am also happy to chat or work with people individually with these concerns.
This is a link to the obituary . I am trying to post an actual picture but it is not coming out clearly enough to read. Will work on this.
UPDATE February 9, 2016
There has been some confusion about authorship of the letter/comment below. J did not say he (himself) wrote it and J’s father presented it as being from him. The comment on the site is anonymous. Clearly J sent it to his father and identified with it. For that reason, I am leaving it up as there is no way I can determine for certain that he did not write it.
UPDATE February 8, 2016
I have not decided what is the best way to pass on more information about J’s situation and am afraid adding it to the bottom of this post means you will be less likely to see it. So for now, I will simply add it to the top and bring it to your attention by the “Update” heading. I am not adding anything without talking to J’s Dad first.
I want to pass on now, some things about J himself, what he did and so on, so you can see what kind of person he was. I know a few facts, such as he was born in February, 1969 in California, he went to university at Cal Poly and went to Sweden to do his Ph.D (roughly, around 1990 – 1991). He passed away on June 10, 2015.
J worked at the Karolinska Institutet, at the Centre for Genomics and Bioinformatics in Stockholm, Sweden. Founded in 1810, it is one of the most prestigious medical universities in the world. J’s fields were Genetics & Genealogy, Neuroscience, Psychiatry & Psychology and some of his later articles refer to Alzheimer’s. He published at least 64 major articles, collaborated with 212 co-authors from 1994-2010, and was cited by 3857 authors. I am not an academic but for someone to publish 64 pieces by the time he was 41 (already having two children) suggests to me this was a highly motivated person who was more than competent and clearly engaged and focused.
Here is a letter that J’s Dad provided which J had sent him.
I have a dream, an American dream.
I live in Sweden, which is hardly a tax haven. I am a citizen of that country as well as a US citizen. I have lived outside of the US for close to 25 years and thought I led a normal law abiding life. Unfortunately, the overzealous and poorly thought out attempts to catch US resident tax evaders have cast me and other overseas residents as criminals.
I am one of the few overseas residents who actually knew that I had to file taxes and did so. Last year, I needed to amend my US taxes due to a reporting error made by my overseas employer and I learned that as I had failed to file a form reporting my overseas bank accounts (the FBAR), the only option I had was to enter a so-called amnesty program, in which I have been told for this omission, I need to pay the US government 25% of my life savings, retirement plans, house, and car, all of which have been earned by legitimate employment overseas.
The “bank accounts” that I must report to the US government include life insurance policies, telephone prepaid cards, my customer card at the supermarket and my lunch card at work. The latter three must be reported, along with their highest balance (try to calculate that on a supermarket rebate card) all because they fit the definition of a debit card. All of this under threat of a penalty of USD 10,000 per account if I make a mistake in reporting. I think the most my lunch card has ever had on it was USD 60.
To add insult to the injury I described above, during 2011, FATCA began to be implemented in Sweden and my Swedish bank informed me that I would no longer be allowed to have any investment accounts because of my American citizenship.
FATCA also requires that for my 2011 taxes, I will need to file another form that repeats a lot of the information on the FBAR form and will cost me at least another three hours of accountant time. The much loved number of USD 10,000 in penalties is again threatened if I make a mistake on this form.
American information reporting requirements have become so demanding that I have made all kinds of new friends in my Swedish bank and tax authority. I get to challenge them to provide documentation that makes no sense in Sweden, but helps me to meet the US requirements. Without these wonderful FATCA requirements, I might have just led an unobtrusive life and like most other residents here, had very little to do with these people. Now I stick out like a sore thumb. FATCA has afforded me with the opportunity to prove to Swedes that Americans are different, demanding and difficult.
I have spent less than a year in the US in the last 25 years. Where you spend your childhood stays with you and I have a strong emotional tie to the US. So even though indications are that it would be in my best interest to renounce my citizenship, I plod stubbornly along in the face of all the abuse and try to believe in the American “truth and justice” I was taught about as a child.
That is why I appreciate your article. It will help to make public the unfortunate consequences of the poorly conceived FATCA legislation. Maybe it will help me and other overseas US citizens to be able to return to leading a normal life. That is all I desire in my American dream.
(Written a year ago in response to an article in a local paper)
“(Written a year ago* in response to an article in a local paper)”
*this comment plus the following 2 facts suggest this letter was written sometime in the first half 2012. I have not been able to locate the article it refers to. The date on the Word file is 20 October 2013-I cannot be sure who saved this Word File (i.e., J or his Dad) but given his comments about the 2011 taxes and form 8938, I believe this letter was written in the first half 2012, prior to the June 30 deadline for the filing of taxes.
(It is very clear J is aware of the 2011 OVDI program.)
Obviously, he did not suffer from a major psychiatric illness such as schizophrenia, dissociative personality disorder or any psychopathic or sociopathic diseases. There is nothing to suggest he suffers from bi-polar disorder. It can be noticed that he stopped publishing in 2010 and can be demonstrated that he knew of FATCA in 2011. If he suffered a major depressive issue, it might be possible to say it coincided with his awareness of FATCA, FBAR, etc. And I will relate freely that I have been diagnosed with major depressive disease, many years ago. And have been most fortunate to have received the appropriate medication to deal with it. I do not consider my diagnosis to be indicative of the stigma of “mental illness.” (i.e., it is not a psychological issue but a biological one.)
This next item is a letter J’s Dad wrote to Rep. Eshoo, 2 weeks before J passed away.
28th May 2015
Dear Ms. Eshoo,
This morning my son called me almost in tears in an anxiety of which I thought him incapable.
When I picked up the receiver I did not think it was him. I had to ask several times who it was.My son is a researcher at the Karolinska Institute, working in biochemistry and genetics.
He is hard working, utterly conscientious, and has published many, many papers in his field.
He has a beautiful family. His wife works for the Nobel Foundation. The Karolinska Institute
in Sweden is from whence Nobel prizes originate – I’m sure you know this.I was (am) deeply concerned. I listened carefully. I felt he sounded suicidal. As a dedicated researcher,
honest and thorough, he is used to delving into complex issues and writing his conclusions. So what
complex problem could possibly be driving a deeply thoughtful person into such a level of anxiety?My son was born into your constituency in the United States. After graduating from Cal Poly he
went to finish his PhD in brain chemistry in Sweden. He has worked hard (and successfully)
for twenty years to turn his small research salary into some savings. And that is the problem.Banks everywhere in the world now (including Russia) want nothing to do with a depositor
who is American. So what is one of the seven to ten million Americans working permanently or occasionally abroad supposed to do?My son a year ago started conscientiously reading all the US laws pertaining to “foreign” earnings.
These are very complicated documents. The more he read the more complex they seemed. He tried
(and is trying) his best to comply with all the requirements, Including finding a CPA in New York and
several in Sweden.My son has already paid every tax he owes – in Sweden they are, bar none, the highest in the world.
But here are these US requirements requiring him to declare all foreign earnings, pensions, savings,
passive investments, etc. and to pay a tax on top of what he has already paid to Sweden simply
because he was here at birth.Trying to figure out these requirements and to comply has driven him to desperation. He sees terrifying scenarios in which he is asking, for what? The US is the only country (besides Eritrea) demanding this.
There are seven to ten million honest Americans living abroad. FATCA is being used as a sledgehammer
(of IRS abuse?) to catch a fly or two – inconsequential financially – of those who abuse our system.Ms. Eshoo – Rescind FATCA! The blood will be upon your heads – congress and yours! if my son is driven
to suicide after a year of dealing with the consequences of this horrible, unjust, draconian, and miserably self-defeating law. Is it worth losing a just citizen just for this?As matters unfold he may not, I’m afraid, be the only one of millions.
Yours respectfully,
xxxx (J’s Dad)
This is the end of what I am adding for today. I am sure many of you will have something to say about all this………..
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@AnnaEshoo A Father’s Anguish Over the Loss of his Son – Horrible Struggle due to #FBAR #FATCA https://t.co/LC1Frng6x5 PLEASE READ THIS
— Patricia Moon (@nobledreamer16) February 8, 2016
*****
This concerns absolutely the worst news I have ever come across in the 4+ years I have been immersed in this situation. I am not going to even try and address anything beyond this simple explanation so you have some context.
A couple of days ago, a comment that somehow was never seen/approved became visible on the renounceuscitizenship wordpress blog. The comment consisted of two letters. Given the fact this was written last July as well as the serious nature of what it concerns, it was decided to keep it in pending until we had made contact with the author, to make sure he still intended for it to remain public. I have spoken with him and he does want it to be seen. However, nobody is likely to see the comment on that particular post since it is 7 months old. So the two letters are being posted here now. Ms. Eshoo, to whom the letters are addressed, is the Congresswoman (D) from the 18th Congressional District of California. She also spent 20 years (1993-2013) as the Congresswoman for the 14th District. She voted “Aye” for the H.I.R.E. Act. There has been no response from Ms. Eshoo.
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July 21, 2015 at 11:28 pm
25th June 2015
Ms. Eshoo
When you and your fellow co-conspirators in congress voted on FATCA you murdered my son
This beautiful person who wanted to live out his dream in peace in another land was destroyed by you.
You and your fellow co-conspirators, with your unattainable requirements,
boxed him into a mental dilemma from which he could not escape.
As a just person he found your injustice in FATCA incomprehensible.
After a year of intensely trying to figure out what to do
he committed suicide.
There are families in grief in your constituency.
There are families in mourning on both sides of the Atlantic.
You have destroyed a decent person worth a thousand Obamas.
You have ruined the happiness of dozens of friends and family members
through your cruelty revealed within this monstrous law.
You have utterly destroyed our faith in government with the
incomprehensibility, inhumanity and malice of this law.
Your only hope of atonement?
Repeal FATCA NOW
Sincerely in grief,
xxxxxx
*****
14th July 2015
Dear Ms. Eshoo,
Re: Death of J., a citizen of Sweden
Thus is clearly an over-reach by an agency of the US government of the grossest magnitude. FATCA affects eight-and-a-half million Americans occupying themselves honorably abroad. This is IRS abuse on a scale far vaster than the diminutive insults inflicted by Lois Lerner’s 501(c)(3) scandal. FATCA is an act of IRS persecution, with a far greater ill effect on American lives than Lois Lerner’s pinpricks. It cannot be dismissed in a form letter.
I have filed the cause of his death as: “Persecution by an Agency of the Government of the United States.”
It is clear that the United States is in full violation of its Principles on U.S. foreign policy and most Articles of the Declaration of Human Rights. (For reference you may see both Principles and Articles appended below.)
FATCA, signed into law by Mr. Obama on the 18th of March 2010, can be shown to violate these Principles and Articles with the uttermost disregard possible.
Here is a preamble to this law:
“The Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA) is a United States federal law requiring United States persons (including those living outside the U.S.) to have yearly reported themselves and their non-U.S. financial accounts to the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FINCEN), and requires all non-US (Foreign) Financial Institutions (FFI’s) to search their records for suspected US persons for reporting their assets and identities to the US Treasury. Congress enacted FATCA to make it more difficult for (resident and non-resident) U.S. persons to have financial assets which are not located in the United States, by adding further asset-reporting law with consequences, and thus to enable further federal tax revenues and penalties from a wider global population of newly discovered US persons and their partners, at the expense of non-US banks.”
Just looking at Articles 1, 2 and 3 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, one already sees that the IRS is over-reaching by its criminalization of every American living abroad, and in making them report to the “Financial Crimes Enforcement Network”, as if it’s already proven that every American living abroad is abroad with criminal intent.
In Article 1 “All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights” is clearly not true when FINCEN
Is searching “the… records of suspected US persons for reporting their assets and identities” – is it enough to be suspected that allows the IRS to take way a person’s dignity and rights? And what right does the IRS have to do this to anyone anywhere outside the US, let alone to a Swedish citizen?
In Article 2 “Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration” with “no distinction … on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs.” So the rights and freedoms are universal but the IRS is allowed to go far beyond its domestic charter in going after anyone anywhere, even against the laws of another country?
In Article 3 is the most fundamental of all “Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.” Clearly the authors of FATCA thought the rights of anyone irrelevant to the needs of the US government.
One may look at Articles 4, 5 and 6 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and one sees that
(i) “No-one shall be held in slavery or servitude”, (ii) “No one shall be subjected to torture, or to cruel, nhuman or degrading treatment or punishment”, and (iii) “Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law”. Except, of course, when it’s a US law which utterly disregards the laws of every other country in the world, including Sweden. And except when that slavery is due to an agency of the US government, namely the IRS, which is trying desperately to keep Americans abroad in servitude, and except where that torture is the daily threat to appropriate a part or all of every asset a person has acquired abroad by honest labor, and which has already been taxed at the highest rate in the world, as in Sweden.
That is just touching the surface of the malfeasance of this run-amok agency of the US government. The true magnitude of what FATCA has perpetrated and achieved is utterly appalling. No other country in the world has ever persecuted its citizens like this for migrating abroad. EVER.
To look a little further into this “Reign of Terror” of a US agency, one may see its truly malign influence on individuals, commerce and foreign relations. Everyone knows that no bank abroad wants anything to do with an individual born in America or bearing an American passport: this makes travel and commerce impossible.
But that is beside the point: it’s the US law and must prevail globally. That FATCA has poisoned international relations, has made the US a demi-pariah, and is even being copied by neo-soviet states like Russia, is beside the point: it’s the US law and must prevail globally. This is clearly nonsense, but it is the law, indiscriminate and vicious.
It is particularly where FATCA preys on individuals that the damage to human rights is most gross. In my son’s case it was first, the closing down of his Swedish bank account. It was then his realization that the government of the United States was after a complete accounting of every asset he had earned in Sweden with hard, honest labor over a period of twenty years. As a Swedish citizen, he had already been taxed at the highest rate in the world bar none. This sense of persecution and injustice by an alien agent was continuously and overwhelmingly felt by him.
From Article 3 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights “Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person” (in the Declaration of Independence “ … the pursuit of happiness”), J. experienced the “loss of happiness” as a result of losing his bank account, and gradually, as he realized the full magnitude of the requirements of FATCA, in the torture of its implications. J. lost his liberty when finding out, just before his death, that his communications with his bank (and only those communications) had been compromised. He knew then that he had no liberty, as guaranteed by Article 3, at all.
Hemmed in by the egregious requirements of an incomprehensible and unjust alien law, J. saw his life as being made increasingly worthless. He was isolated within Sweden, among Swedish friends, as a pariah. His protection under the laws of Sweden, where he was a deeply law-abiding citizen, he witnessed evaporating. Anguished by the dilemmas of FATCA – he would not pay an unjust tax for owning property in Sweden nor would he pay the tax for giving up his U.S. citizenship – why should he? – he went out and hanged himself. His daughter went outside and found him hanging by his neck in the morning.
So J. lost his happiness, he lost his liberty (and “security of person”) and thrust into isolation utterly by a country he loved (but, in keeping his passport, he wished to return to one day) he went out and killed himself. In a mockery by FATCA’s blind injustice this proved to invert “Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness” into the opposite, completely miss-stating the order of these words in the Declaration of Independence.
Article 30 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights says: “Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.” The “State” to which this refers is the United States; the “activity” or “act” being performed to which this refers is the activity of FATCA; the “destruction” to which this refers is the deliberate destruction by an agency of the US government of all of J’s rights and freedoms as set forth above.
I have therefore listed, as I must in honesty, the cause of J’s death as “Persecution by an Agency of the Government of the United States”. More simply “Persecution by the government” of which you are a part.
I believe the United States under Mr. Obama is wholly and uniquely responsible for this most diabolical law.
FATCA violates fully half of the articles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Therefore FATCA will be,
as it must be, abolished by the United States, else the Universal Declaration of Human Rights means nothing.
FATCA is also totally against the Principles appended below, that “Promoting freedom and democracy and protecting human rights around the world are central to U.S. foreign policy”. My son’s human rights, as a decent, honorable citizen of Sweden, were stripped from him mercilessly by FATCA, making a mockery of
these Principles.
Which part of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights that do you do not understand, Ms. Eshoo? That somehow being enthralled by Mr. Obama’s oratory, in a congress filled with Democrats, you could go ahead and pass any law Mr. Obama wanted, Human Rights be damned? This congress, known as “The Brutal One-Eleventh” for the laws you whipped through, undertook the passage of these laws in utter disregard for the rights of American citizens at home or anywhere.
J. leaves behind a Swedish wife and two beautiful Swedish children. It leaves behind individuals all over the United States and Europe grieving for a beautiful person essentially murdered by an act ill-considered by congress and signed into law by a feckless Obama. The stigma of FATCA is one which you and your fellow Democrats – Pelosi, Reid and Obama – will bear forever.
Millions of people around the globe are regretting that Mr. Obama ever came into office. The world burns while feckless Obama dithers. I am regretting this monster infinitely more than anyone with the loss of my son.
Sincerely, and in immense grief,
xxxxxxx, father to J
APPENDICES
A. Principles. Under the US Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor it says the following:
“Promoting freedom and democracy and protecting human rights around the world are central to U.S. foreign policy. The values captured in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and in other global and regional commitments are consistent with the values upon which the United States was founded centuries ago. The United States supports those persons who long to live in freedom and under democratic governments that protect universally accepted human rights. The United States uses a wide range of tools to advance a freedom agenda, including bilateral diplomacy, multilateral engagement, foreign assistance, reporting and public outreach, and economic sanctions. The United States is committed to working with democratic partners, international and regional organizations, non-governmental organizations, and engaged citizens to support those seeking freedom.”
B. Articles. PREAMBLE TO THE UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS
“Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,
Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,
Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,
Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations between nations,
Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,
Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in co-operation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms,
Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,
Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction.”
Article 1.
• All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
Article 2.
• Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.
Article 3.
• Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.
Article 4.
• No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.
Article 5.
• No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
Article 6.
• Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.
Article 7.
• All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.
Article 8.
• Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.
Article 9.
• No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.
Article 10.
• Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.
Article 11.
• (1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.
• (2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.
Article 12.
• No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.
Article 13.
• (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
• (2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.
Article 14.
• (1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
• (2) This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.
Article 15.
• (1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.
• (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.
Article 16.
• (1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
• (2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
• (3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.
Article 17.
• (1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
• (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.
Article 18.
• Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.
Article 19.
• Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
Article 20.
• (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
• (2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.
Article 21.
• (1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.
• (2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.
• (3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.
Article 22.
• Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.
Article 23.
• (1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
• (2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
• (3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
• (4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.
Article 24.
• Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.
Article 25.
• (1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
• (2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.
Article 26.
• (1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
• (2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.
• (3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.
Article 27.
• (1) Everyone has the right to freely to participate in the cultural life of the community,
to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.
• (2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any
scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.
Article 28.
Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.
Article 29.
• (1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.
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• (3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.
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• Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.
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A #FATCA Related Suicide
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Thanks, Patricia, for posting, now, the letters of anger and grief of a US father for the wasted life of his son (and what is to become of his son’s family) who made a life abroad. The father absolutely realizes the cause as he tries to avenge this tragic death and educate others, including a distracted-by-other issues Congresswoman, another who has dropped the ball / who is has no responsibility for government representation of her constituents after the act of having been elected / seemingly has ignored the father’s communications and questions.
In my mind, if the US does not provide answers to the US father and the US ; if the US media and our own countries’ media sweeps this collateral damage of overreaching FATCA law (never making this story take precedence over the distraction of drivel we often see and read); if our governments outside the US do not find the way to protect their own, it is no different than the dilemma of showing or HIDING coffins of young US servicemen returned to their homeland after fighting the ongoing MIC wars — hiding the carnage – http://www.davidperlmutter-research.com/?p=276.
Will *they* continue to say it is the PTSD victim’s fault in this mess — when the victim(s) knew nothing of US citizenship-based taxation laws? When we are not / were not cognizant of this, we make / made mistakes. Accidental Americans are entrapped into this mess from their first breaths of life. *US Persons Abroad* still don’t know in their distraction by other *more important drivel* in the media. Every person coming to the US for a better life should have full disclosure of how US CBT will affect them / their families in the US and beyond the US. No one born in the USA learned of this by osmosis, breathing exceptional US air; even less can they, the immigrants coming to the land of opportunity. Everyone should have an informed choice of their citizenship, knowing both its consequences and responsibilities as well as the lauded and often overblown benefits.
We all process and act upon our life situations in different ways. Some are stronger than others. Some will fight as we try to do here. Others cannot, beaten down by the consequences, the shame brought upon their families that they face. Why is this condoned? Why is this happening? Where are all the *US Persons Abroad* who should be joining in the fight that this is stopped? Depending on our governments; depending on our mostly gagged media (who will not show the carnage); depending on someone else to solve the problem is exceptional thinking. We must fund the Canadian and other litigations to avenge and prevent evermore carnage of the consequences of US CBT.
I think this is causing suicides, nervous breakdowns and clinical depressions in persons, where other life problems have not done so, because it’s unprecedented and, by its nature, the victims of this are isolated.
I think why a person caught up in this can end up feeling there’s no way out, no way to get their life back, why they feel their life is over is because —
To cope with this, you cannot rely upon on precedent, as you have instinctively done all your life in dealing with the bad, even horrible, things life has thrown at you. This may not be the worst thing a government has ever done to people it claims to be its citizens, but it is unprecedented.
It is not a crisis that ever happened to people you know, or that you have heard about over the years from the news or from history class or through literature or movies. You have no background to rely on — and it’s very disorienting.
It’s equally unknown and unprecedented to one’s natural support system (friends, family, neighbours, acquaintances). And equally unknown and unprecedented to mental health care professionals. I’ve wondered how many sessions with a psychologist might it take to explain to them what this problem is? That you’re not over-reacting or making things up?
Also unlike other life crises, which are precedented, a person is dealing with this is extremely isolated.
If you’re the victim of a fire or a tsunami, persons who have never been affected by such a disaster do know what a fire or a tsunami is. Often they lend a hand, but one thing for sure, even if they don’t actively help, they do understand what’s happened.
In a situation of war or civil strife, your neighbours are something of a support group. But in this situation, while your neighbours are living their normal lives (the life you lived til OMG day), you’re living in a twilight zone – sort of like you’re living in the only home you have, the only place you really know, on a visitor’s visa because a foreign country is controlling your life. Everyone else’s life goes on. Yours ended OMG day. Up is down, left is right, black is white.
Absolutely, Cheryl.
Polly,
Even if the VICTIM will be blamed for his own weakness, his mental deficiency, his own lack of having known and dealing with of all of this, I put the blame where I believe it belongs…
http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2015/06/20/8-misconceptions-about-mental-health-and-mental-illness/
The cries of all of us are being ignored. FULL STOP!
In fairness to Polly, I don’t think she was stating her own opinion, rather what the abuser will use as their defense.
Thank you, pacifica, for pointing out the ISOLATION — often self-imposed WHEN OUR ATTEMPTS TO EDUCATE friends, family, the media, our governments FAIL.
That opinion will likely prove accurate.
This post has flattened me ….this poor man, grieving for a son who would be joyfully alive were it not for the evil perpetrated by an intransigent government along with the apparent impossibility of getting anyone to listen to us on the international stage.
If the United Nations had considered our formal Complaint, filed on August 7, 2014, in a timely fashion maybe this man’s son would be alive today. This gentleman has used pretty much every argument that was contained in that Complaint which will probably spend another year and a half sitting in the “inbox” before it is even admitted into the process, *if* it is admitted into the process!
My anger is simply boundless! My heart was broken on June 14, 2011, the day I learned of FATCA/CBT. It is broken anew today.
I would hope that no one take the easy way out and blame this on some presumed “mental illness.” This is as much a cliche as is the idea that all Americans abroad are tax cheats. People explain away actions they do not understand in an attempt to distance themselves; it has nothing to do with even remotely allowing any real awareness enter their thinking. It is simply too frightening for them to imagine that someone who takes their own life is not “ill” but very much like them. So one gets this kind of sweeping generalization that is absolutely useless. The vast majority of people who seek counselling and so on, are not “mentally ill.” And of course there will be people who make this claim and will sweep it under the rug. That has no bearing on the fact that placing stress of this severity on people will have a very, very negative effect. THAT is what needs examining.
There are more things that will come out in due course but one fact that I will pass on is that J was tax compliant. He knew about filing. What he didn’t know about, was FBAR. And as many of us know, it is FBAR that is key to this situation, not taxes.
PS Calgary, I know what you mean about “wasted” – that one has been cut down and denied the opportunity to continue to fulfill….And it is truly an unbelievable loss which will become apparent as time goes on. But his life most definitely was not wasted. His life’s work was an outstanding contribution to medical science. That will remain as a testament to the kind of person he was. There most be someone, even if only one or two in the US government who will be “big” enough to admit, that this has happened due to the unrelenting cruelty and harshness of what they have done. One. Even just one.
The problem is, no one will listen. Just had a knock down drag out fight with homelanders abroad over this. They just will not listen.
Not trying to say the fate awaits us, but I image that Jews who figured out what Hitler was up earlier on than most must have had a similar difficulty getting people to listen to them. These situations are farther “out there” than any X-Files story.
@pacifica
One reason we are lucky/blessed is that we came across each other on the internet. It is why so many of us are like family, very close friends even though the vast majority here have never “met” in real life. This is why no matter what, we must continue to reach out-and it speaks to the fact that it may well be the only difference…
The whole world should read this!
Perhaps by tweeting the link to this post?
@all
I am a medical doctor who also studied psychoanalysis, and I am telling you that there is no proof of the causal connection of FATCA to this man`s suicide- otherwise many people would be killing themselves under the circumstances and it would not be an isolated incident. One should not let one`s compassion and sympathy blind oneself to this fact. Also, oftentimes the parents are the last to admit that their son or daughter was bipolar or even just depressive. So I speak from experience and many years of study on the topic of mental health. I am not just throwing this out there. If people were killing themselves in droves- one could assume more of a connection. If this case had ((( general ))) merit – it would make headlines.
So I am not writing these things as an amateur who is just voicing what she thinks off the top of her head. One cannot prove that FATCA was the cause of this tragic death as there are other underlying currents that could have affected this choice. Otherwise there would be a lot more victims.
There should be a law against laws that exceed a thousand pages!
Which comes first, the chicken or the egg? Does being boxed in, isolated, threatened by such as US CBT consequences (or other traumatic continuing events), no way out but to expatriate with the costs affecting everything we have worked for for ourselves and our families LEAD TO undiagnosed PTSD symptoms? Sounds similar to some description…
What of those who cannot afford even the expatriation fee to begin with? Who of us will go to be assessed by someone in the medical profession? Not me! Unless, those over-worked medical professionals too are going through the same, I don’t believe they can understand what we are going through / have the time to help us solve our CBT problem — or will they give us a prescription, some talk therapy which will not CURE the situation we find ourselves and our families in? Just how can those time-strapped medical professionals help any of the victims of those living outside *the homeland* and the consequences of this? Do we all here, trying to gain traction on educating others, have some US CBT-induced form of PTSD mental illness that can only be cured by moving back to the US homeland – no matter in what other countries we choose to live, belong, be citizens of? It is, here on these pages, only *anecdotal* evidence, not yet part of some medical research project.
Just questions I ask myself.
Appealing to Mr Obama is like spitting into the wind. He hates white people, he hates conservatives, he hates non Muslims. These are facts that are self evident from his actions. He has done more to destroy the last best hope of mankind than any other person in western history. He is a modern version of Stalin, doing whatever he can to destroy human dignity.
OH AND don’t pull the racist crap out of this tirade. I am also half white and only a self hating person would do what he does on a regular basis. He cannot be trusted with our sacred nation and should be escorted out of the White House by impeachment and if the law allows tried for the murder of the fragile folks who have taken their lives rather than endure the consequences.
@Polly,
As somebody who has been through OVDP I can tell you it feels like a massive weight crushing you every day. Contacting banks for old statements by ringing them in the early morning and desperately trying to get to somebody who can get the details. Then waiting weeks for the letters to arrive and getting the wrong stuff or just not quite enough stuff. Trying to find the chain of financial institution names as over close to a decade things changed. Trying to understand why that mutual fund disappeared and two replaced it.
Trying to get the dividend history for each fund you have and then racking the addition shares purchased automatically by the fund because that how a foreign investment account always works.
Sitting down and looking up day after day of dollar/gbp conversions so you can get everything in dollars.
Pouring over incomprehensible rules at the IRS web site that never ever seem to answer the question you have. Pouring over the tax code and tax forms trying to understand how this stuff is supposed to work. Doing this for a few hours each night after you worked all day.
Imagine how every few months the IRS agent through’s something out to turn you world upside down. For example no you can’t take offset all those fake gains you reported in 2007 by the huge losses you had in 2008. Imagine realizing that the $8k you spent on tax prep is wasted.
Of course there is always the incessant call for additional things to be filled in, signed and statements requested.
Then when confronted with options from the agent some of them carry threats of criminal prosecution. This with you having to extend the limitations of what they can get you for otherwise they will treat you badly.
How would this kind of thing affect somebody who is maybe depressed etc?
@Polly
Just curious. What would constitute “proof” that he killed himself because of FATCA?
@Wilton Jere Tidwell,
Nah. None of that is true.
Obama I think believes that there is so much wealth in the world that there really shouldn’t be people who struggle. He thinks we can solve this problem by moving some wealth. So he and his pals picked some places to take the money from and ‘foreign’ was the jackpot.
I say to his voters that you voted to take rich peoples stuff. You just didn’t realize you were rich. This is in fact always the way. You can’t get enough money just from the rich so you have to redefine rich.
@ polly
How can you diagnose that, if you don’t know the case history? You don’t know if the victim had suffered from previous bouts of depression before this hit him.
At least one other on Brock has reported a family member suffering depressive illness reportedly brought on by FATCA.
We don’t know if others have not suffered the same depressive fate, there has been no research done.
As another Medic who’s mother also suffered depression that was brought on by one specific event, (not FATCA), I know that one does not need to have a history of depression for suicide to occur.
@Polly
I seriously contemplated suicide over this issue many times. I had never before contemplated suicide.
Good enough for you?
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Demand that she answer…
Some of the moderators know my full name and history that has been shared by private correspondence. I am sure they would consider me to be a pretty strong person. I have been in “bad places” but this situation has been the worse.
On these boards I have openly shared that FATCA drove me to drink to the point where my body was physically beginning to give up. The body chemistry tests at the GP were getting very worrisome.
I left the USA a decade ago relinquishing my US Citizenship which the USA agreed to in writing albeit not a CLN. Hell, I had never heard of a CLN!!! Nor had my attorney!!
I have barely enough assets and barely enough income where I could be driven into the ground by the USA yet my home country recognizes that my assets and income are NOT enough to support ones family and we receive help.
I have written countless times; “thank God, I found IBS. I/we are not alone.”
This issue has driven me extremely close to suicide, too close. My GP does not understand it at all………
Fellow Brocker…@BC-Doc……has been extremely encouraging as a health professional stuck in this same hell hole. A Doctor that I never met and likely not realizing it, helped diagnose and save a very needy patient many thousands of miles away. Someday I need to fly to BC and just say thank you.
I am now dry…..no more suicidal thoughts and planning…..read IBS too much but hey you need to attend AA meetings all the time too.
My blood pressure has dropped as well and my GP attributes that to all kinds of other reasons. At one point my GP suggested that I take an extended holiday in America for the sunshine.
My heart goes out to this young man who thought he was alone.
“In the street” when I run across “the accent” I whisper about FATCA but always remind the person “you are not alone.” I tell them that because “being alone” leads to a very dark place.
So where am I now?
1. Sending money to ADCS and being encouraging to Team ADCS remains good healthy therapy and as a person of faith, I am praying for all of us in this storm. I know some of you are not believers but I think you will still be thinking and thanking that George is praying.
2. Figuring out how to protect my kids from pre-teen to teen who are infected. This includes long chats with them.
3. Working through the issue do I go for a CLN or stay the course? I do not have a US Passport as I did voluntarily hand it over and it was actually cancelled and returned. I solely travel on a EU Passport which includes entering the US on an ESTA. Part of the decision matrix on getting a CLN is the concern of the dark place it may put me back into for a long stretch.
On Brock I learned of LCUs.
I will no longer surrender anymore LCUs.
Also on Brock someone said “I will not live my life according to the whims of a foreign government.” That quote is now a screen saver which I read everyday.
We are a motley crew on a motley ship with a sail that is rather tattered but you know, that is a far better place to be in the open ocean rather than a single person dingy.
I thank God that He moved Petros a fellow Christian to create IBS. I have no doubt that God led me to this site to save me.
@Neill, again I need to thank you for sharing your OVDP experience. I think I know the answer if you were asked would you do it again.
No doubt you were in a dark place too long. But your experience has helped me personally and no doubt many others.
There are so many words written in the blogosphere that for all intensive purposes have no meaning nor value.
Your words along with those of many other Brockers have meaning, truth and value that can not be measured.
Every comment at Brock makes a difference to someone.
Before passage of legislation, it should be mandatory that all members of congress read every word of that legislation and pass a comprehension test which includes a part which shows that they have carefully examined that legislation for any possible harm it might do. FIRST know your legislation and SECOND do no harm. This would make legislation shorter, more understandable and less likely to cause damage like FATCA, buried in the H.I.R.E. Act, has done.