10 thoughts on “The less a citizenship is worth the more it costs to get rid of it”
I guess something might be worth less it it’s priced itself out of the market.
The way I look at is that it is worth far more to NOT be a US citizen than it is to NOT be a citizen of any other country in the world. In that context I expect the price of a CLN will continue to rise going forward.
@maz57, yes, US citizenship has negative value.
The US citizenship may not have any value for you if you KNOW that you never want to live in the U.S. That is something you don’t see, because you never had to worry about it. There are many people who are desperately trying to get to America and become citizens. And number of those people is FAR bigger than a few of you who just give it up.
@JonBrowm
No one “just” gives op US citizenship – the US makes it so. The fact that more people want US citizenship is completely irrelevant up our circumstances. To start, no other country’s citizens, except Etitreans are expected to continue paying taxes to that country when they move to the US.
@JonBrown, I find your comment offensive. How the hell do you know that I never want to love in the USA? That is extreme presumption on your part. Thanks to Congress and Bush and Obama, I HAD to relinquish my citizenship to protect myself and my family from the biggest threat to our happiness in the world, the sociopaths in DC.
And I never said that US citizenship has no value. Monetarily it has great negative value for those living in Canada or elsewhere outside the boundaries of the USA. So technically I am saying it is worth a lot less than nothing.
@JonBrown. I am one who KNOWS I never want to live in the US. On the rare occasion I visit I am constantly reminded of that fact, just in case I should ever forget (which I never will). Who would want to live in a country that treats its expat citizens so shabbily? Heck, who would want to live in a country which treats its RESIDENT citizens so shabbily?
That there are far more who wish to immigrate to the US than those who wish to leave is irrelevant. The fact that the US is marginally better than the shitholes of the world is hardly a ringing endorsement. If the US government had any common sense (and decency) they would realize that they are in no danger of running out of citizens (aka taxpayers) and allow those who wish to leave a reasonable means to do so.
Those who wish to enter the US aren’t people whose financial lives are being destroyed by US tax policy. (Not yet, anyway.) Let them hold a green card for more than 8 years or become US citizens. They will “get it” if and when they should ever decide to leave. For US citizens who don’t live in the US, US citizenship has become a liability.
The US might have once been the greatest country in the world, but no longer. There are now many first world countries whose citizenship is far more desirable than US citizenship (and they are better places to live as well). I know because I live in one of them..
My advice to you: open your eyes and drink less of the Koolaid. (And don’t move out of the US if you are a US citizen, unless you are prepared to give it up.)
The value of US citizenship depends on location. Inside the US it has positive value for those who want to remain living and working there. Outside the US it has negative value except as an option to return permanently. The cost of maintaining that option has been going up steadily due to tax-return compliance costs, and now the cost of relinquishing the option to return has also gone up appallingly.
For US citizens living outside the US, the choice is stark: Either move back to the US or pay through the nose for the right to live away permanently. Apparently the US does not want its citizens to live anywhere else. I don’t know why they resent people leaving. Is it just about money, or are they afraid their citizens might discover that life is better in many other countries?
Then, of course, there is the totally unfair issue of “accidental” US citizens being held financially captive.
I’m so glad I got out of there in time!
AnonAnon, you capture it perfectly with your post from October 23. Thank you!
I guess something might be worth less it it’s priced itself out of the market.
The way I look at is that it is worth far more to NOT be a US citizen than it is to NOT be a citizen of any other country in the world. In that context I expect the price of a CLN will continue to rise going forward.
@maz57, yes, US citizenship has negative value.
The US citizenship may not have any value for you if you KNOW that you never want to live in the U.S. That is something you don’t see, because you never had to worry about it. There are many people who are desperately trying to get to America and become citizens. And number of those people is FAR bigger than a few of you who just give it up.
@JonBrowm
No one “just” gives op US citizenship – the US makes it so. The fact that more people want US citizenship is completely irrelevant up our circumstances. To start, no other country’s citizens, except Etitreans are expected to continue paying taxes to that country when they move to the US.
@JonBrown, I find your comment offensive. How the hell do you know that I never want to love in the USA? That is extreme presumption on your part. Thanks to Congress and Bush and Obama, I HAD to relinquish my citizenship to protect myself and my family from the biggest threat to our happiness in the world, the sociopaths in DC.
And I never said that US citizenship has no value. Monetarily it has great negative value for those living in Canada or elsewhere outside the boundaries of the USA. So technically I am saying it is worth a lot less than nothing.
@JonBrown. I am one who KNOWS I never want to live in the US. On the rare occasion I visit I am constantly reminded of that fact, just in case I should ever forget (which I never will). Who would want to live in a country that treats its expat citizens so shabbily? Heck, who would want to live in a country which treats its RESIDENT citizens so shabbily?
That there are far more who wish to immigrate to the US than those who wish to leave is irrelevant. The fact that the US is marginally better than the shitholes of the world is hardly a ringing endorsement. If the US government had any common sense (and decency) they would realize that they are in no danger of running out of citizens (aka taxpayers) and allow those who wish to leave a reasonable means to do so.
Those who wish to enter the US aren’t people whose financial lives are being destroyed by US tax policy. (Not yet, anyway.) Let them hold a green card for more than 8 years or become US citizens. They will “get it” if and when they should ever decide to leave. For US citizens who don’t live in the US, US citizenship has become a liability.
The US might have once been the greatest country in the world, but no longer. There are now many first world countries whose citizenship is far more desirable than US citizenship (and they are better places to live as well). I know because I live in one of them..
My advice to you: open your eyes and drink less of the Koolaid. (And don’t move out of the US if you are a US citizen, unless you are prepared to give it up.)
The value of US citizenship depends on location. Inside the US it has positive value for those who want to remain living and working there. Outside the US it has negative value except as an option to return permanently. The cost of maintaining that option has been going up steadily due to tax-return compliance costs, and now the cost of relinquishing the option to return has also gone up appallingly.
For US citizens living outside the US, the choice is stark: Either move back to the US or pay through the nose for the right to live away permanently. Apparently the US does not want its citizens to live anywhere else. I don’t know why they resent people leaving. Is it just about money, or are they afraid their citizens might discover that life is better in many other countries?
Then, of course, there is the totally unfair issue of “accidental” US citizens being held financially captive.
I’m so glad I got out of there in time!
AnonAnon, you capture it perfectly with your post from October 23. Thank you!