Brilliant. Contrast this with “kick out the anchor babies” movement. There seems to be something for everybody these days.
@Bubbles,
Those were the days when America was one big happy family.
I wouldn’t let that deranged freak of nature wearing a freakish suit lay his hands on my children!
This needs to be printed, preferably in colour, and sent to politicians and placed on bulletin boards in Churches, Community Halls, and grocery stores.
This is a serious recommendation.
What a great find. Thanks Deckard.
Just browsed through the Competent Authority Authorization (CAA) for the UK and read the Transliteration paragraph. First sentence follows:
“3.5 Transliteration: Any information the United Kingdom Competent Authority exchanges that is reported in a non-Latin domestic alphabet or literation is expected be transliterated pursuant to United Kingdom domestic procedures or rules aligned with international standards for transliteration (for example as specified in ISO 8859) into the Latin alphabet.”
ISO 8859, which has several versions, is broad and, as an example, allows German Latin characters such as Ä, ä, Ö, ö, Ü, ü and ß. For those who don’t recall this, the German ä is written ae and ß is written ss in the English Latin alphabet. If a German with the last name Süß, for instance, were deemed a US Person, Süß’s German bank, in compliance with ISO 8859, could apparently report his name spelled this way to the IRS. It is anyone’s guess whether the IRS’s systems will be able to deal with non-English Latin letters and might require the name be written as Suess, since the letters ü and ß don’t exist in the English Latin alphabet. (Although Suess might be equivalent to Süß in the English Latin alphabet, it would be considered a different name than Süß in Germany).
In addition to there being non-English Latin characters in western European languages such as German, French, Spanish and Danish, there are many, many alphabets and writing systems in the world that have nothing to do with Latin let alone English Latin. This is looking like a Green Eggs and Ham exercise.
I knew ISO 8859 listed character encodings but didn’t know it listed transliterations.
I wonder how my US bank will know to report me to Japan as ダイアモンド ノーマン rather than ダイヤモンド ノーマン.
If I were still a US citizen, my Japanese bank should report me to the US as NO-MAN DAIAMONDO. Wait, they should report me anyway because I was still using my US passport when I opened the account and the bank hasn’t seen my CLN.
“No-Man”, that’s pretty philosophical. It could be the way we feel when finding ourselves in the FATCA-CBT predicament. It may also be what we wish to be, just to be left alone.
No child left behind
Brilliant!
I agree 100% with George. This needs to be sent to every news medium out there. Seriously.
@ Innocente
“What a great find. Thanks Deckard.”
Nothing a little Photoshop couldn’t enhance. The source site is quite interesting, offering a cornucopia of mid twentieth century visions of the now long-lost American Dream:
Being a fan of mid-century pop culture, I’m also familiar with the Envisioning the American Dream site, so I’ve seen a few pages of the 1958 “Our Country Historical Color Book,” as Sally occasionally posts one. The original coloring book itself, which covers general history of the US, even unenhanced looks pretty weird today — not only visually retro, but stuff like there’s a page with an atom bomb mushroom cloud to colour in!
@ pacifica777
Waiting for the IRS…
@ Deckard, You’re on a roll today! Much appreciated, too — I can sure use a good dose of satrical humour this week!
@ Deckard1138 – Oh dear, this photo of kids under their school desks, and the “Waiting for the IRS” , is a total hoot! It is especially hitting a funny bone in me as I remember being required to practice hiding under my desk at school. Now, this school school was in Washington DC and, in the early 1950s, this practice was to prepare us kiddies for when the nukes hit the White House and Capital!!!!!
I mean, REALLY?????? It all seems so absolutely bizarre now. Hopefully in (many less than 50 years) FATCA will be “an absurdity from the past” too. Thanks for the wonderful chuckle. If only we could chuckle about FATCA………..
And, finally, some appropriate advice for wise US Persons everywhere:
Deckard:
Say, in your “Rounding Up” poster, isn’t “Uncle Sam” wearing exactly what Roy Berg was in that ridiculous 4th of July picture of himself that I saw somewhere?
Being an atomic-bomb-threat-under-the-desk-survivor, I resent comparisons being made between that experience and the current campaign of terror against US non-residents. Clearly the former is more humane, as we as children believed as we were told – that a desk would prevent us from incineration. We would not have known what hit us. Learning you are a US person for tax purposes is much worse than that.
@ PierreD
You’re right – that could easily be Roy “The Berg-herder” leading some new clients into his compliance lair.
@ Bubblebustin
As Steve Martin once said, “Comedy Is Not Pretty.” 😉
More from Stephen Harper on his thoughts about dual citizenship:
Great stuff! No problem with using the art of Uncle Sam coloring Book but would appreciate attribution and a link to my site envisioningtheamericandream.com where the image of the coloring book came from. Thanks
@ Sally Edelstein
Thanks – the attribution and link have been added. Great site you have, by the way.
not sure if this is the right place for this or not but……
to a report that came out earlier last month that in essence says that the IRS has absoutly no clue how to reach any of the over 7 million expats or if they do they have no way to ensure that the package sent actually made it through to the addressee.
just one more reason that were I ever to get a brown envelope it would end up at the bottom of the bird cage cause “sorry uncle sam I never got your letter” 🙂
‘Hopefully in (many less than 50 years) FATCA will be “an absurdity from the past” too.’
Nope. Thanks to a spammer who spammed a particularly important thread, I read that particularly important thread. But it figures, silly me, I can’t find it now.
If I understood correctly, Roger Conklin testified to Congress in or around 1977.
I thought Congress has known for 4 years what they’re doing because the IRS reported to Congress. But no, Congress has known for around 38 years what they’re doing.
FATCA isn’t going to end. They’re just going to make it worse and worse.
Brilliant. Contrast this with “kick out the anchor babies” movement. There seems to be something for everybody these days.
@Bubbles,
Those were the days when America was one big happy family.
I wouldn’t let that deranged freak of nature wearing a freakish suit lay his hands on my children!
This needs to be printed, preferably in colour, and sent to politicians and placed on bulletin boards in Churches, Community Halls, and grocery stores.
This is a serious recommendation.
What a great find. Thanks Deckard.
Just browsed through the Competent Authority Authorization (CAA) for the UK and read the Transliteration paragraph. First sentence follows:
“3.5 Transliteration: Any information the United Kingdom Competent Authority exchanges that is reported in a non-Latin domestic alphabet or literation is expected be transliterated pursuant to United Kingdom domestic procedures or rules aligned with international standards for transliteration (for example as specified in ISO 8859) into the Latin alphabet.”
ISO 8859, which has several versions, is broad and, as an example, allows German Latin characters such as Ä, ä, Ö, ö, Ü, ü and ß. For those who don’t recall this, the German ä is written ae and ß is written ss in the English Latin alphabet. If a German with the last name Süß, for instance, were deemed a US Person, Süß’s German bank, in compliance with ISO 8859, could apparently report his name spelled this way to the IRS. It is anyone’s guess whether the IRS’s systems will be able to deal with non-English Latin letters and might require the name be written as Suess, since the letters ü and ß don’t exist in the English Latin alphabet. (Although Suess might be equivalent to Süß in the English Latin alphabet, it would be considered a different name than Süß in Germany).
In addition to there being non-English Latin characters in western European languages such as German, French, Spanish and Danish, there are many, many alphabets and writing systems in the world that have nothing to do with Latin let alone English Latin. This is looking like a Green Eggs and Ham exercise.
I knew ISO 8859 listed character encodings but didn’t know it listed transliterations.
I wonder how my US bank will know to report me to Japan as ダイアモンド ノーマン rather than ダイヤモンド ノーマン.
If I were still a US citizen, my Japanese bank should report me to the US as NO-MAN DAIAMONDO. Wait, they should report me anyway because I was still using my US passport when I opened the account and the bank hasn’t seen my CLN.
“No-Man”, that’s pretty philosophical. It could be the way we feel when finding ourselves in the FATCA-CBT predicament. It may also be what we wish to be, just to be left alone.
No child left behind
Brilliant!
I agree 100% with George. This needs to be sent to every news medium out there. Seriously.
@ Innocente
“What a great find. Thanks Deckard.”
Nothing a little Photoshop couldn’t enhance. The source site is quite interesting, offering a cornucopia of mid twentieth century visions of the now long-lost American Dream:
http://envisioningtheamericandream.com
Being a fan of mid-century pop culture, I’m also familiar with the Envisioning the American Dream site, so I’ve seen a few pages of the 1958 “Our Country Historical Color Book,” as Sally occasionally posts one. The original coloring book itself, which covers general history of the US, even unenhanced looks pretty weird today — not only visually retro, but stuff like there’s a page with an atom bomb mushroom cloud to colour in!
@ pacifica777
Waiting for the IRS…
@ Deckard, You’re on a roll today! Much appreciated, too — I can sure use a good dose of satrical humour this week!
@ Deckard1138 – Oh dear, this photo of kids under their school desks, and the “Waiting for the IRS” , is a total hoot! It is especially hitting a funny bone in me as I remember being required to practice hiding under my desk at school. Now, this school school was in Washington DC and, in the early 1950s, this practice was to prepare us kiddies for when the nukes hit the White House and Capital!!!!!
I mean, REALLY?????? It all seems so absolutely bizarre now. Hopefully in (many less than 50 years) FATCA will be “an absurdity from the past” too. Thanks for the wonderful chuckle. If only we could chuckle about FATCA………..
And, finally, some appropriate advice for wise US Persons everywhere:
Deckard:
Say, in your “Rounding Up” poster, isn’t “Uncle Sam” wearing exactly what Roy Berg was in that ridiculous 4th of July picture of himself that I saw somewhere?
Being an atomic-bomb-threat-under-the-desk-survivor, I resent comparisons being made between that experience and the current campaign of terror against US non-residents. Clearly the former is more humane, as we as children believed as we were told – that a desk would prevent us from incineration. We would not have known what hit us. Learning you are a US person for tax purposes is much worse than that.
@ PierreD
You’re right – that could easily be Roy “The Berg-herder” leading some new clients into his compliance lair.
@ Bubblebustin
As Steve Martin once said, “Comedy Is Not Pretty.” 😉
More from Stephen Harper on his thoughts about dual citizenship:
http://ottawacitizen.com/storyline/kady-if-citizenship-revocation-is-your-ballot-box-issue-you-might-want-to-read-this
The comment I just made on another thread also belongs here:
http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2015/09/08/the-woes-of-prime-minister-stephen-harper-or-why-this-election-is-not-a-single-issue-vote/comment-page-3/#comment-6638638
Great stuff! No problem with using the art of Uncle Sam coloring Book but would appreciate attribution and a link to my site envisioningtheamericandream.com where the image of the coloring book came from. Thanks
@ Sally Edelstein
Thanks – the attribution and link have been added. Great site you have, by the way.
not sure if this is the right place for this or not but……
here is a link https://
http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditreports/2015reports/201530072fr.html
to a report that came out earlier last month that in essence says that the IRS has absoutly no clue how to reach any of the over 7 million expats or if they do they have no way to ensure that the package sent actually made it through to the addressee.
just one more reason that were I ever to get a brown envelope it would end up at the bottom of the bird cage cause “sorry uncle sam I never got your letter” 🙂
‘Hopefully in (many less than 50 years) FATCA will be “an absurdity from the past” too.’
Nope. Thanks to a spammer who spammed a particularly important thread, I read that particularly important thread. But it figures, silly me, I can’t find it now.
If I understood correctly, Roger Conklin testified to Congress in or around 1977.
I thought Congress has known for 4 years what they’re doing because the IRS reported to Congress. But no, Congress has known for around 38 years what they’re doing.
FATCA isn’t going to end. They’re just going to make it worse and worse.