[The following responses are to FATCA Letters to Leaders and MPs (March 2015)]
PART 1 — the NDP Party response
…cross-posted from Lynne Swanson post at MapleSandbox: NDP Party Response to Alliance for the Defence of Canadian Sovereignty (ADCS-ADSC)
“I have just received a response to ADCS on the letter we sent to the leaders five months ago. Here is the reply from Murray Rankin.
RE: US Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA)
Thank you for writing to share your ongoing concerns regarding the U.S. Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA) and the Intergovernmental Agreement (IGA) between Canada and the United States designed to implement FATCA in Canada.
New Democrats are deeply troubled by the implications of FATCA and the associated IGA, and we are closely monitoring the litigation your organization has commenced against the Government of Canada.
From the beginning, many organizations raised the alarm that the IGA for the implementation of FATCA in Canada may violate the privacy rights of Canadians and could be subject to constitutional challenge.
The NDP has repeatedly raised concerns about the FATCA agreement that was negotiated behind closed doors and rushed through Parliament without proper consultation or examination.
Previously, New Democrats called on the Conservative government to acknowledge the broad concerns expressed by Canadians and civil society organizations regarding the implementation of this IGA. We asked the Conservative government to agree to remove it from omnibus Budget Bill C-31, which granted the Minister of National Revenue sweeping powers to make any regulation necessary to carry out the agreement.
It is my belief that the decision to rush this legislation through Parliament was reckless and, as a result, it lacks the safeguards needed to protect many of the rights that Canadians so dearly value.
New Democrats have repeatedly questioned Conservatives in the House of Commons and at the Standing Committee on Finance. It became abundantly clear that the Conservative government has very little understanding of the consequences of FATCA and has been tone deaf regarding the very real concerns of hundreds of thousands of Canadians.
Moving forward, New Democrats remain committed to ensure that Canadians’ voices are heard and that our laws are consistent with the constitution, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and Canadian sovereignty more broadly.
A New Democrat government will order a full and urgent review of the FATCA IGA to identify and address all measures that threaten the constitutional and privacy rights of all Canadians.
We will seek to reopen the IGA for renegotiation with the United States in order to address the serious concerns of Canadians and ensure that their rights are protected. We will do so in an open and transparent manner – instead of the secretive manner pursued by the Conservatives.
More broadly, we will ensure that all proposed legislation is subject to a more robust screening to ensure compliance with the Constitution and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The Conservatives have failed to uphold this duty, with the result that, in many instances, litigation was initiated that could have been avoided.
As noted above, New Democrats continue to closely watch the progress of your litigation against the Government of Canada.
We also understand that many people across Canada are now directly facing the consequences of the agreement. New Democrat Members of Parliament will continue to assist individuals access the information and resources they need regarding how the FATCA IGA affects them.
Please feel free to contact me with any concerns you may have.
Sincerely,
Murray Rankin
NDP Candidate for Victoria
NDP Deputy Critic for National Revenue “
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PART 2– the Liberal Party response
…also cross-posted from Lynne Swanson post at MapleSandbox: Liberal Party Response to Alliance for the Defence of Canadian Sovereignty (ADCS-ADSC)
“Because I posted the reply from the NDP via Murray Rankin in its own thread, I am doing the same with the Liberal response to ADCS via Justin Trudeau.
Dear Ms. Swanson:
Thank you for taking the time to write to me with your concerns regarding the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA).
The safeguarding of personal privacy has become an increasingly important issue to all Canadians. The government’s move to ensure that information is reported 2 the U.S. through Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) and not directly from the banks was a positive step; however, the implications of having the CRA report to a foreign government about Canadian citizens are still troublesome. The Liberal Party of Canada believes that the Conservative government’s efforts to safeguard the personal privacy of Canadians have been inadequate.
While the United States has the right to target tax evaders using offshore accounts, targeting hard working Canadians who pay taxes is unfair. The government of Canada has a responsibility to stand up for its citizens when foreign governments are encroaching on their rights. We believe that the deal reached between Canada and the U.S. is insufficient to protect affected Canadians.
Thank you once again for writing to me; I always appreciate it when Canadians take the time to share their concerns with me. It is through such exchanges of ideas and opinions that I can best represent not only my constituents, but all Canadians.
Sincerely
Justin J.P. Trudeau “
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PART 3 — Additional Clarification needed from Liberal Party Leader Justin Trudeau re his definitions in *A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian*
I (calgary411) am also putting into this post the email sent yesterday to my Liberal candidate and Liberal MP Scott Brison, asking them to get answers from their Party Leader, Justin Trudeau. Some may agree we need answers to these questions as well:
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 1:49 PM
To: Matt Grant ; Scott Brison
Subject: A question for the Liberal Party Leader and the Strengthening Canadian Citizenship ActDear Confederation Calgary Liberal Candidate and Honourable Liberal Member of Parliament Scott Brison,
Many Canadians were pleased to hear Mr. Trudeau’s new statements regarding Canadian citizenship equality, but some of us need further clarification.
For all *US Persons in Canada*, can you please get an answer from your Party Leader, Justin Trudeau, to the following specific questions. No political generalities please.
Mr. Trudeau — are there differences in *second-class Canadians* — the ones you refer to regarding the Bill C-24, Strengthening Canadian Citizenship Act?
As part of the slippery slope now enabled in Canada — the march in legislation
– from Bill C-31 (making *US Persons in Canada* second-class to any others by virtue of place of birth of an individual or the individual’s parent(s)
– to Bill C-51, with definitions of *terrorist*
– to Bill C-24 to exile and banish certain of Canada’s second-class citizens (even if born in Canada),Do you consider US-deemed US citizens in Canada *US citizens who happen to reside in Canada* (including even those born in Canada and have never lived or had any benefit from the USA)?
or,
Do you consider US-deemed US citizens in Canada the very same as any other second-class Canadian as part of your statements
“Liberals will guarantee that all Canadians’ fundamental rights are respected as guided by the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.”
“Canadian citizenship should not be conditional. A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian.”
“All Canadians need to know that their government has their back.”?
Specific and straight answers to the above questions will help determine for many the way we will vote on October 19. I will pass Mr. Trudeau’s answer on to one-issue *US-deemed US Person* Canadians, who are now also deemed second-class citizens in Canada by the Conservative government.
We want to absolutely know from Mr. Trudeau if he will fight for our same rights under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms as those Charter rights of all other Canadians .
Thank you for your help in asking this question on our behalf.
Sincerely and respectfully,
Carol Tapanila
Calgary, AB
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Will also include … e-mail that Lynne Swanson sent to Justin Trudeau with a cc to her Liberal candidate.
Last week, you said “All Canadians have to know that the government has their back.”
You insisted the Conservative government’s Strengthening Canadian Citizenship Act “devalues Canadian citizenship by creating two classes of citizenship.” You vowed to repeal that Act. You promised a Liberal government “will guarantee that all Canadians’ fundamental rights are respected as guided by the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.”
So, why aren’t you taking such a strong stand against the FATCA Intergovernmental Agreement (IGA) and the enabling law that supersedes all Canadian laws on the demands of a foreign bully?
Would a Liberal government “have the back” of Canadians born in the United States? Would a Liberal government repeal the IGA? If not, would a Liberal government amend the enabling legislation to protect Canadian citizens and residents born in the U.S.? Would a Liberal government restore full citizenship to Canadians born in the U.S.? Would a Liberal government “guarantee that all Canadians’ fundamental rights are respected as guided by the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms?”
I know what your father would have done. He would have stood up for one million Canadians. He would have told the United States “You can’t FATCA Canada or Canadian citizens.” When the media asked how far he would go to have the back of Canadians, he would have said “Just watch me.” He would have guaranteed that Canadians born in the U.S. have their fundamental rights respected under the Charter.
What will you do? Are you ready to stand up to the Americans for Canadians? My vote depends on your answer.
In my email this morning, a reply from the Liberal Party (I had sent an email to Justin Trudeau, Scott Brison and my Calgary Confederation candidate, Matt Grant). (Emphasis is mine.)
Trudeau, Mulcair and Harper should ask Elizabeth May how it feels to have balls.
Thanks very much for getting back to me, Mr. Finestone. I have posted your reply at http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2015/08/31/how-will-us-deemed-us-persons-in-canada-vote-on-october-19th-there-is-now-an-adcs-adsc-reply-from-the-ndp-party-to-compare-to-the-reply-from-the-liberal-party/, along with the reply from Nathan Cullen from the NDP Party, a site where *US Persons* from around the world go to discuss this issue and where Canadians affected can get information they need for their decisions to vote on October 19th.
All Canadians affected need to know what the Liberal Party will do. The IGA that allows FATCA law to override Canadian laws and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms has never been covered adequately in the news media!
We need your assurance as part of the Liberal Policy Platform so that the media WILL better communicate the important information to ALL *US-deemed US Persons* in Canada.
This will be a very important issue in the election if ALL who will be affected learn of FATCA and know which Party will best protect their Canadian rights. As well, all other Canadians need to know. Sovereignty of Canada should be an important, if not the most important, issue.
I and all who know what has gone on behind the backs of Canadians would appreciate anything you can do, a continuation of your standing up for us in Parliament. Litigation could have been and should have been avoided. We do appreciate the actions of the NDP Party, the Green Party and the Liberal Party in the Canadian Parliament leading up to the vote on Bill C-31 (2014). It must continue.
Many families want their Canadian lives back, protected by Canadian laws and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Many others do not know what will hit them with FATCA.
[As a note, my family have all been able to renounce their *US-deemed US citizenships*. One of my family, my 41 year old Canadian-born and raised son who never lived in the US and never had any benefit from the US – only Canada, cannot renounce because he does not have the *requisite mental capacity* to do so. My Canadian son will not be the only one so entrapped because a parent, a guardian or a trustee cannot act upon their behalf to renounce a *US-deemed US citizenship*, even with a court order. I am the Holder of a Canadian Registered Disability Savings Plan for my son – I have paid to the US IRS US$3,661, for the bonds and grants that are contributed to that Plan and funded by Canadian taxpayers, the same way an RESP would be taxed by the US. Renunciations for me and my husband and getting advice in Washington, DC and US Department of State/Legal regarding my son cost over $42,000 in US tax law, accounting and immigration/nationality fees over and above our renunciation fees. The cost for renunciation of US citizenship went from $0.00 when I first found out about all of this, to US$450.00 when we renounced in 2012 and now to US$2,350 for a person to either renounce or claim relinquishment. That cost alone is a barrier to many families, perhaps especially to those who have family members with special needs. That cost is just part of the total cost.
The US Consulate in Calgary, correspondence from the US Department of State/Legal and advice from a Washington, DC immigration/nationality lawyer* after discussions with DOS in Washington gave me the same information — all regarding citizenship.
There is needed legislation, Canadian or US, that makes sense for everyone / anyone to find the same exit out of the *US-deemed US citizenship* maze.]
This is an important opportunity for the Liberal Party to match what the Green Party has stated in their Platform.
Sincerely,
Carol Tapanila
Calgary, AB
A Liberal government will leave the IGA as is. The response is mealy mouthed.
@Cakgary411 – As always … my respect.
@Liberal Party – Nathaniel Finestone – Maybe someone would like to send the following to the Liberal gentleman.
We need MORE certainty. We are grateful for assistance that you (Liberals) may have given during the charade that was the Hearing on FATCA and the vote on the Bill. We however need to you do more. We need clarity from you and your Party …. the level of clarity of Elizabeth May of the Green Party. There is no room for equivocating. We appreciate your concerns yet need a Statement that you will RECTIFY / REPEAL the injustice of FATCA … and for that matter the proposed injustice of the CRS.
@Bubblebustin – I love your graphic form of expression.
Trudeau, Mulcair and Harper should ask Elizabeth May how it feels to have balls.
balls not needed, just ask Caitlyn Jenner