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Social Security, Treasury target taxpayers for their parents’ decades-old debts

Do we need to look any further for confirmation that the United States has become a criminal enterprise?  Now it has started to assess debt based upon the alleged overpayment their parents’ Social Security 10 to 40 years in the past, and then confiscating the tax returns of the children. Read the article above to understand how childish, incompetent and rapacious the IRS has become. It would be hilariously funny if it wasn’t so scary.

Of course, we already knew that the IRS was a criminal organization, though a few detractors of this website have demurred. The OVDI/OVDP programs (i.e., Overseas Voluntary Disclosure Initiative/Program) sets out to confiscate a certain percentage of a so-called citizen’s “foreign” assets, while waiving every single Constitutional right of the victim. But it is nice to see it confirmed in such bold terms as out and out theft by the IRS, and this is happening to Homelanders!

This overpayment scheme is brilliant on the part of the IRS, since the victim has no way of proving that an overpayment wasn’t made or if they had already discharged the debt.  That is if they fail to keep records for several decades. I LOLed at the following lines:

“While we are responsible for collecting delinquent debts owed to taxpayers, we understand the importance of ensuring that debtors are treated fairly,” Treasury’s Schramek said in a statement responding to questions from The Washington Post. He said Treasury requires that debtors be given due process.

United States Federal Government bureaucrats obviously have no concept of fair treatment and due process.  The principle of inter-generational justice is Jeremiah 31.29-30 (ESV):

In those days they shall no longer say: ‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children’s teeth are set on edge.’ But everyone shall die for his own iniquity. Each man who eats sour grapes, his teeth shall be set on edge.

But today in the United States, the new due process is this: If the IRS says that the fathers ate sour grapes thirty years ago, the children’s teeth are set on edge.

18 thoughts on “IRS stoops to a new low in confiscating generational debt? Not really, not compared to OVDP”

  2. Another ordinary person sitting on the back of the bus,

    “Look, I love a good fight, especially for principle,” she said. “My mom used to say, ‘This country is carried on the backs of the little people,’ and now I see what she meant. This is really sad.”

    I’m behind you, Mrs. Grice.

    PierreD, Yes, the authority given being hidden in another omnibus bill, allowed this to happen

    The aggressive effort to collect old debts started three years ago — the result of a single sentence tucked into the farm bill lifting the 10-year statute of limitations on old debts to Uncle Sam.

    No one seems eager to take credit for reopening all these long-closed cases. A Social Security spokeswoman says the agency didn’t seek the change; ask Treasury. Treasury says it wasn’t us; try Congress. Congressional staffers say the request probably came from the bureaucracy.

  3. @PierreD, merci, great find. I point out only that this shows how Homelanders get heard. Whereas we who have taxation without representation have been crying out, yet our voices remain unheeded. Hell, we even had the benefit of the Tax Advocate saying that what was happening in OVDP was a violation of fairness, to no avail.

  4. This is just one more example of what a sick sick country the U.S. has become.

    It’s nothing but a tyranny of forms, excessive laws, and unprincipled “discretion”.

    The place is “looney tunes”.

  5. Actually, I do understand the U.S. rationale for forcing the descendents to pay for the ancestors and you will see that this is completely consistent with the U.S. view of citizenship.

    1. U.S. citizens are U.S. property and they owe allegiance to the U.S. government.

    2. Since U.S. citizens are U.S. property, the descendents of U.S. citizens (even if not legally citizens) would still be U.S. property.

    3. Since, the U.S. owns the descendent because it owns the ancestor, the obligations of the ancestor can be transferred to the descendent.

    4. Another way to view this is that all U.S. property connected by blood lines would be part of the same U.S. tax and penalty base.

    Makes a lot of sense to me.

  6. Yes, thanks PierreD — I didn’t read your link before I posted my comment.

    So, this is an example for us the utmost importance of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms Challenge!:

    Mrs. Grice says:

    “Look, I love a good fight, especially for principle,” she said. “My mom used to say, ‘This country is carried on the backs of the little people,’ and now I see what she meant. This is really sad.”

    Mrs. Grice gets a lawyer to bring this to the attention of the US public and pro-bono fight this on behalf of Mrs. Grice and any other victims (something that elected “leaders” to represent constituents in Congress could see but didn’t care that their actions would be immoral but instead saw it as a another money-maker and hid it from view in an omnibus farm bill). It came from the bowels of Social Security Administration, Treasury (who of course would bear no responsibility to any of it, just carry out the passed-by-Congress stealth law — no one speaks up but one of the victims) into FULL view of the public by a lawyer and responsible journalism.

    Seems a quick and proper resolution once the US government (whatever agencies within it lacked morality and take no responsibility for enacting such an obscene law) is exposed for what it is doing. Why should it take embarrassment for the US government (or the Canadian government in the case of the FATCA IGA almost implemented by stealth in the C31 omnibus budget bill)?

    This story underlines, to me, just why the Canadian Challenge must go ahead. We are the Mrs. Grice’s / the Rosa Park’s / the victims who are speaking out — because something is not right!

  7. I am so glad this story has had a happy ending for Mrs. Grice and any others caught up in this. But it illustrates the utter evil of omnibus-style legislation. It should be outlawed.

    I was amazed by the speed of the government’s response on this issue. I guess we’re just chopped liver.

  9. They will suspend due process, ethics and common sense and grab the refunds of people who were not even responsible for the Social Security benefits in question, until found out and a court case lodged, but don’t pursue the monies owed to them by people directly in their employ right at hand.
    See;
    http://www.accountingweb.com/article/tigta-irs-contractor-employees-owe-54-million-tax-debts/222626

    ‘TIGTA: IRS Contractor Employees Owe $5.4 Million in Tax Debts’
    by Terri Eyden on Oct 29 2013

    Not only did those contractors owe money, but significant numbers had access to sensitive IRS facilities, systems and data despite not having entitled status and clearance to do so:

    “……..TIGTA found that, as of June 14, 2012, 691 of 13,591 IRS contractor employees, or 5 percent, had incurred $5.4 million in federal tax debts. These debts were either agreed to by the taxpayers or affirmed by the court. However, 352 of the 691 contractor employees were not on a payment plan to resolve their debts.

    As of June 2012, there were approximately 14,500 IRS contractor employees assigned to active contracts who were granted staff-like, or unescorted, access to IRS facilities and/or sensitive data in IRS information systems. TIGTA found most contractor employees to be compliant with that access.

    However, at least 319 contractor employees had tax debts assessed after they were granted staff-like access and were not on a payment plan, TIGTA stated. According to IRS policy, these contractor employees were not eligible for staff-like access and should not have been granted rights to IRS facilities, systems, and data. ”

    The IRS does not even do a good job of collecting from federal employees:
    http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2013/apr/03/blog-posting/bloggers-say-obama-aides-are-delinquent-their-taxe/

    and then there is this:
    “… Internal Revenue Service employees urged callers to vote for President Obama, disparaged Republicans in conversations with taxpayers and wore pro-Obama swag at work during the 2012 election cycle, according to a federal ethics watchdog.

    The Office of Special Counsel, which reviews whistleblower allegations, highlighted the three cases in an announcement on Wednesday. Federal law, specifically the Hatch Act, prohibits federal employees from engaging in partisan campaign activities..”.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/wp/2014/04/09/irs-employees-urged-taxpayers-to-vote-for-obama-disparaged-republicans-watchdog-says/

    And Cook vs. Tait (Cook v. Tait – 265 U.S. 47 (1924) http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/265/47/ ) is thrown up in our faces as sufficient justification for assessing and enforcing extraterritorial taxation and confiscatory penalties on those living (and often born) abroad with NO economic connection to the US?

    I urge you to attend this upcoming debate Friday, May 2, 2014, 8:30 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. in Toronto
    (Cook vs. Tait is sure to be cited):
    http://www.acaglobalfoundation.org/events?eventId=865796&EventViewMode=EventDetails
    ‘Taxation of Americans Abroad in the 21st Century:
    Citizenship-Based Taxation vs. Residence-Based Taxation’

    “ACA Global Foundation launches its educational program with a forum/debate between Professor Michael S. Kirsch and Dr. Bernard Schneider, two distinguished academic tax specialists, on Citizenship-based taxation vs Residence-based taxation, followed by practical observations on the impact of current law on Americans resident abroad, presented by tax experts, investment advisors, businessmen and citizens abroad.”

  10. Wished I had time to figure out which Senator sneaked that single sentence into the FARM Bill. He needs castrating. More stealth democracy, yet this one is targeting the Homelanders too.

  11. If they have corrected this injustice, it ‘s only because light was shed on what they were doing – which is a lesson in itself for us.

    I read about this a few days ago and apparently one of the victims hired a lawyer who found out that not only were they taking her tax refunds to pay off the supposed debt, but they were taking more than what was owed to them and only stopped when it was found out. Which goes to show you….

    Just how low the Treasury department will go to steal money from citizens. This kind of thing doesn’t bode well for FATCA or the future in general – even if they stopped the practice today, it still has revealed a corrupt mentality and desperation that will continue to produce bad fruit.

  12. @calgary 411 used ” This story underlines, to me, just why the Canadian Challenge must go ahead. We are the Mrs. Grice’s / the Rosa Park’s / the victims who are speaking out — .”.
    yes calgary 411 but only because you are before us giving courage/ trailblazing and showing the path….. all I can say is that without u , petros, blaze, atticus, Gwevil, IRSCF, atticus and all the others 2 numerous to mention … I would be dead
    NEVER THINK we dont know the value u add and what u have gone through
    NEVER THINK we dont think of u all every day whereever we r globally
    if i do nothing else in my life…..i can be be proud that I have given to C3F and supported you all.

  13. crystal london,

    Thank you for your kind and cherished words. I, too, feel the rag-tag bunch at this site, every last one of us, including you crystal london, has given support to another. For me, the support we have here is the most vital part of all the others that make up Isaac Brock Society and Maple Sandbox. If we were facing this each on our own, how would we get through it?

    Instead, we don’t give up hope but become stronger as we start the next step of the C3F challenge.

    Yes, you and all here can be proud that you have given and that you have helped others here that you will never know about.

    Bravo to us all.

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