Please have a look at:
RTS Article in French: McCain and Levin call for extradition of Swiss Bankers.
La lettre souligne que le traité d’extradition helvético-américain n’oblige pas la Suisse à extrader des citoyens ayant uniquement aidé à éviter les impôts. Le DoJ devrait cependant essayer d’obtenir la collaboration de la Suisse, réclament les sénateurs.
The letter emphasizes that the Swiss-American extradition treaty doesn’t oblige Switzerland to extradite citizens who only helped [some person/entity?] to avoid tax. The DoJ should nonetheless attempt to obtain the collaboration of Switzerland, insist the Senators.
Well, I don’t think the Senators have read the Swiss Federal Constitution.
If aforesaid “bankers” are Swiss citizens they cannot be extradited unless they consent.
Art. 25 Protection contre l’expulsion, l’extradition et le refoulement
1 Les Suisses et les Suissesses ne peuvent être expulsés du pays; ils ne peuvent être
remis à une autorité étrangère que s’ils y consentent.
Article 25 Protection against expulsion, extradition, refusal of entry at the border 1 Swiss [citizens] cannot be expelled from the country; they cannot be handed over to foreign authorites unless they consent.
Levin, McCain… are you inciting more treason on the part of the Swiss Federal Council? You should be ashamed of yourselves. Respect the Constitution of Switzerland as you should respect your own.
one of the big swiss banks has send out to USPs (employees this time) this morning the following e-mail :
……I am sorry to inform you that we have been asked by General Counsel due to regulatory requirements to close all relationship with customers who are US Nationals. This means that we will have to close the account with us. …………..
We are not talking about the checking,savings account or the mortgage.
Sorry but I cannot go into more details what “relationship” means in this context but it was hilarious nevertheless.
Maybe they’ll start combing through the ranks of the bank employees for anyone married to or related to a USP as well as those who currently or in the past had dual status.
Ex. “Are you now or have you ever; slept with, married, cohabited with, given birth to, been a sibling or child of, any individual deemed to be a USTaxablePerson?”
It is like Orwell’s world is here now.
Yes. And it is a lesson to us, when fundamental rights are eroded, it is a slippery slope to the crash at the bottom. The banks are downloading their costs and if that is at the expense of their accountholders and employees, so be it apparently.
“…Meanwhile, an American family, resident in Switzerland, who renounced their citizenship a year ago tells me that their accounts of several years standing were unceremoniously closed by the BCGE recently without prior notice on the basis that they were once American. The bank then sent a bill for the time it spent going through their records to discover this…”
badger and Theta,
…as no stone should be left uncovered.
Didn’t know where to put this:
Someone mentioned… I am not sure if its true or not.. In Hong Kong… HSBC has changed their atm card for *security reasons* & sent out new cards to their clients… If u did not receive your card.. supposedly u are to bring ID to get your new card at the bank… Bet u this is a faster way for them to verify americans who do not know about this crap. Another sneaky way to get around the privacy laws. I already know that HSBC is only offering basic banking & no investments to US persons since last yr. Alot of the banks will only offer basic banking & nothing else at this point if u can even get them to open a new account at all
Here’s a good opportunity for speech therapists to teach people how to speak without an American accent. Heaven forbid that you might have proudly told your bank you were American – doing that today could jeopardize your family and business partner’s financial futures.
Sad part… I still don’t think this crap is as well known to people, who are proud to be US persons… I am waiting for this crap to hit the fan… most have 2 passports or more… I know that chinese may have 1 in their chinese name… 1 in their *english* name… Or a translation of their chinese name to english.. translation vary greatly. Or even in other languages.. 1 or 2 letter difference… depending on where u are… translation of the said name is different in *english*
Thanks – I’ll be publishing a reply from BCGE today; will add the links you sent.
On 20 Mar 2014, at 03:12, ……..wrote
RE FATCA etc etc
Maybe it;s time to publish this article so all bankers can read it.
Thanks for this link (http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html), Chears. Do any persons on this site relate?
…”one doesn’t see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even talk, alone; you don’t want to ‘go out of your way to make trouble.’ Why not?—Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.
“Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, ‘everyone’ is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. … In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist.’
“And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have.
“But your friends are fewer now. Some have drifted off somewhere or submerged themselves in their work. You no longer see as many as you did at meetings or gatherings. Informal groups become smaller… you feel that you are talking to yourselves, that you are isolated from the reality of things. This weakens your confidence still further and serves as a further deterrent to—to what? It is clearer all the time that, if you are going to do anything, you must make an occasion to do it, and then you are obviously a troublemaker. So you wait, and you wait.
I relate to this article. I can say my Canadian close friends and acquaintances and Canadian politician DO NOT CARE.
I have sent out so many emails like @Canadian Cop’s stirring Brock posts.
Their response is nil, nada, nothing. I did get one response back from a friend who sent one of those boo hoo woe is me “I am a White person and the immigrants and aboriginals get all my money.”
We here on Brock just have ourselves. I am not giving up.
Response from Geneva bank on US clients
I wasn’t sure where to post this so I figured I’d tack it onto the first search result dealing with John McCain.
I was born in Arizona and so the few U.S. family connections that remain are there. They sympathized and wrote to their senator, John McCain. Unfortunately they didn’t share their letter, but this was the (exasperating) reply from his office:
And blabbity bleah bleah. The fun continues.