51 thoughts on “Fatca: The end of financial privacy”
Unfortunately, it appears that SeniorResearcher stopped posting. I need him/her to post more so that his/her attacks against Americans will attract the attention of the Homeland Security. Next time, I’ll toss in a few flag words like “terrorist”, “bomb”, “Moscow”, “threat”, etc. when he condemns Americans of being “fraudster”.
@ SwissPinoy
Forget about that sour old SR. Think about the joy that is coming. I hope your wife is doing well. 🙂
@Em, you are right but I still have a few minutes to spare to defend WhiteKat. My wife is doing ok for now. She has been given a bunch of drugs to delay the birth. This could persist for a few weeks, so now I’m off to the hospital.
@SwissPony,
Actually, UNfortunately he is still posting…all sorts of vile things. I’m done with him though. He probably won’t say anything to attract Homeland Security because he reads here too. Best just to ignore him, like Bubblebustin and Em have pointed out. We’ve got more important things to focus on in this fight, and in our lives outside of FATCA and CBT. It is interesting to delve into the mind of deviants once in awhile, but not for too often or for too long.
Good luck with the up and coming new addition! A new baby is so exciting! Is this your first?
@Swisspony, This is the last thing I am going to say about SR, but I noticed that he now lives in Hawaii…LOL. He obviously reads IBS frequently, because last night I posted that I noticed his profile says he lives in Moscow. This morning it is Hawaii.
Best to ignore him completely.Sociopaths hate being ignored.
@ WhiteKat
I believe SR is the same creep who attacked our Monalisa using someone else’s ID awhile back. Our Brock moderator was quick to delete but obviously the Daily Caller is not as vigilant. Distancing yourself is a good plan. There is so much to do to fight FATCA and you and Atticus have given us all the impetus to try different tactics. I’m also thinking about the kijiji thing that Atticus mentioned somewhere here at Brock.
@WhiteKat, my wife is doing better now. She might have to stay in the hospital for 10 days or more. The baby is the second addition to our family and so far everything looks good, except that the baby wants to get out a few months early.
If SeniorResearcher keeps up the good work, which I highly recommend, he/she will destroy FATCA all by him/herself. All of those personal attacks expressed while waving the banner of FATCA will successfully cause any sane American to become completely disgusted with FATCA. No American patriot can tolerate the hatred SeniorResearcher is spewing against anyone with an American connection.
So, SeniorResearcher, keep up the good work! You are doing a fantastic job of destroying FATCA. If you can, find some friends to join in on your war against the American people. You and a few friends can successfully destroy FATCA faster than anyone.
@SwissPinoy
You’re right, SR accuses people as being “tax frauds” in cases where even the IRS under the IRM wouldn’t.
James has a good post out…
FATCA: a Tool of the Electronic Surveillance State
Since I see I was a topic of discussion in this threat -it’s fun to Google your avatar name sometimes- I’d like to hear a viable counter-argument from anyone who is capable to any of the statements I’ve made.
Also, I’m wondering, if all of you are so certain the US is “tyrannical” for taxing its citizens abroad, why don’t you just give up your US Citizenship? I know the reason, it’s because when you end up in a tough situation you want the US Embassy to come to your rescue. You want the insurance policy that the US State Department provides but you worthless bums don’t want to pay for it.
Personally, I’d rather see all of you jagoffs find another way to cover your ass. Also, there are already enough stories of “Rand Paul supporters arrested overseas for murdering prostitutes”, we don’t need anymore stories about you people and your hobbies.
Yes, yes, I want US citizenship, just in case I get into trouble somewhere in the world! Sorry kids and husband, but this Canadian momma is having a mid-life crisis and wants to travel! I just might “end up in a tough situation” where I would “want the US Embassy to come to my rescue”.
The “US State Department is such an insurance policy” and the reason I never formally renounced my US citizenship which was bestowed upon me due to the fortunate happenstance of spending the first 18 months of my life on USA soil.
I am just a “worthless bum”, who thought I could get all this for free. I am so ashamed. 🙁
@WhiteKat, you are just too funny!
I could be wrong, but I think that the reason why people who live in America pay local taxes to finance a local military, is to that they will be able to defend themselves if Cuba attacks. Otherwise, nobody in the US would be able to prevent Castro from reducing US federal government spending by 98%.
@Whitekat…
Don’t forget, once you are rescued, they will still send you a bill for their services. 🙂 That is like ending up in the hospital from a car crash which the insurance company pays for, but then turns around and bills your for it. Great policy!
@The Contentious Otter
“Also, I’m wondering, if all of you are so certain the US is “tyrannical” for taxing its citizens abroad, why don’t you just give up your US Citizenship?”
Many of us, including myself, have done just that. Not (only) for taxing its citizens abroad, however. The tyranny of the USA is much more extensive than that. As far as I’m concerned, they can send their A-Team to rescue someone else.
@the Contentious Otter
Right now the biggest threat to Americans abroad IS the US government.
@Contentious Otter: “…because when you end up in a tough situation you want the US Embassy to come to your rescue.” LOL, the US Embassy can’t even come to its own rescue, as the Benghazi incident has taught us. Why would I have kept my citizenship just to be saved by such a pathetically overstretched country that is going to charge me for the privilege of being saved? Or did you not hear about how the Canadians rescued Canadian citizens when war broke out in Lebanon. Indeed, the French are the ones charged with saving American butts in French-African countries like CAR when war breaks out in them, as a courtesy to their allies. So I don’t see how the protection of the United States is worth anything to people like me. What I need is protection from the tax aggression of the United States and that is why I made my pledge to the Queen of Canada with the intention of relinquishing my US citizenship, because the United States is the biggest real threat to my welfare and that of my family.
@Contentious Otter, and by the way, “the worthless bums” are the US homelanders who elect democrats and republicans whose plan to stop gap the trillion dollar deficits is to go after US expats who pay their taxes in a law abiding manner in their countries of residence where they receive real government services and also have representation in their legislatures and parliaments. Your food stamp recipients and other Obama voters, who wanted US expats to pay for their health care. You are the bums. We pay our taxes in our countries–more than you do in your own. We are not bums.
Contentious Otter is using the logic in Cook v. Tait, the US Supreme Court case from 1924 on overseas taxation:
And that power in its scope and extent, it was decided, is based on the presumption that government by its very nature benefits the citizen and his property wherever found, and that opposition to it holds on to citizenship while it “belittles and destroys its advantages and blessings by denying the possession by government of an essential power (ie. taxation) required to make citizenship completely beneficial.” In other words, the principle was declared that the government, by its very nature, benefits the citizen and his property wherever found and, therefore, has the power to make the benefit complete.
There are a lot of problems with the logic of this today, but the main one has to do with dual citizenship, something not contemplated in 1924. The US has no responsibility at all to duals when they’re in their country of their other citizenship, but nonetheless expects them to file tax returns as if they benefited from the protection of the United States overseas, and in fairness should be expected to support it through taxation.
@broken man, exactly right. They won’t protect someone who is a dual national, says so on the passport. So what justifies taxation in that case? Uh, nothing?
“Also, I’m wondering, if all of you are so certain the US is “tyrannical” for taxing its citizens abroad, why don’t you just give up your US Citizenship? I know the reason, it’s because when you end up in a tough situation you want the US Embassy to come to your rescue. You want the insurance policy that the US State Department provides but you worthless bums don’t want to pay for it.
Personally, I’d rather see all of you jagoffs find another way to cover your ass. Also, there are already enough stories of “Rand Paul supporters arrested overseas for murdering prostitutes”, we don’t need anymore stories about you people and your hobbies.”
@The Contentious Otter, you are typical of how I have seen Americans all of my life. The fact that I was born in a US hospital, to Canadian parents, along the Canadian border, does not require my life-long enslavement to your country, which has chosen to circle the drain. Not only did the US tell me, over 20 years ago, that I was not a US citizen, they also told me I had to do nothing about it.
I have never sought, nor received, benefit of any kind from your country. Not a passport, not a job, not an education, not welfare, not an Obama Phone. My country, Canada, has taken quite excellent care of me, in any time of need. I pay my taxes to my country, Canada, not some foreign government with it’s gangsta culture of pistol-whipping thievery. Al Capone would be proud of your shakedown government.
@All…The USA did nothing to help my US born but Canadian permanent resident whose husband brought her up and 5 kids to Canada 50 years ago. Not much money, bought property in rural Canada with no electricity or plumbing, They had 2 more children and he abandoned her and went back to the USA..She asked the US government to help her find him through his VA disabilty benefirts from the Korean war..The US government refused her because of “privacy” . Our Canadian government helped her get his VA benefits when he died. She raised the kids on her home and now faces FATCA..She never filed her US taxes since she came up…Not aware she had to…thinking the USA was just like the rest of the world with Resident based taxes….
Canada for me is the greatest country in my world…My brother suggested , after a reconciliation we had , for me to apply for Social Security benefits…HA! Never… I want nothing from the USA. I too never had a US passport. I filed my US taxes up to and including 1993 and then stopped when I became a Canadian and soon I will have my CLN to show I am not a US person. American Taxman stay away from my door. I don’t need you for “protection”.
@The Contentious Otter, I’d like to thank you for supporting IBS, bringing IBS members closer together, and helping to strengthen it among the American expat population while demonstrating that IBS is doing the right thing of fighting for a just cause. You are a true IBS hero! If I could hand out an award for the IBS member of the year, then I would give it to you. The energy, time and effort that you sacrifice for IBS shows that you are a dedicated and loyal IBS member! Your solid love for IBS is showing.
If such was not the case, then you would be fighting for America to switch to a residency-based tax system, since such a change would clearly mark the end of IBS and maybe even cause some participants to regret that they had renounced US citizenship. But, of course, as a loyal lover of IBS, you would never ever do such a thing! IBS must go on and you will remain as one of IBS’ leading loyalists. Thanks so much for your support!
Unfortunately, it appears that SeniorResearcher stopped posting. I need him/her to post more so that his/her attacks against Americans will attract the attention of the Homeland Security. Next time, I’ll toss in a few flag words like “terrorist”, “bomb”, “Moscow”, “threat”, etc. when he condemns Americans of being “fraudster”.
@ SwissPinoy
Forget about that sour old SR. Think about the joy that is coming. I hope your wife is doing well. 🙂
@Em, you are right but I still have a few minutes to spare to defend WhiteKat. My wife is doing ok for now. She has been given a bunch of drugs to delay the birth. This could persist for a few weeks, so now I’m off to the hospital.
@SwissPony,
Actually, UNfortunately he is still posting…all sorts of vile things. I’m done with him though. He probably won’t say anything to attract Homeland Security because he reads here too. Best just to ignore him, like Bubblebustin and Em have pointed out. We’ve got more important things to focus on in this fight, and in our lives outside of FATCA and CBT. It is interesting to delve into the mind of deviants once in awhile, but not for too often or for too long.
Good luck with the up and coming new addition! A new baby is so exciting! Is this your first?
@Swisspony, This is the last thing I am going to say about SR, but I noticed that he now lives in Hawaii…LOL. He obviously reads IBS frequently, because last night I posted that I noticed his profile says he lives in Moscow. This morning it is Hawaii.
Best to ignore him completely.Sociopaths hate being ignored.
@ WhiteKat
I believe SR is the same creep who attacked our Monalisa using someone else’s ID awhile back. Our Brock moderator was quick to delete but obviously the Daily Caller is not as vigilant. Distancing yourself is a good plan. There is so much to do to fight FATCA and you and Atticus have given us all the impetus to try different tactics. I’m also thinking about the kijiji thing that Atticus mentioned somewhere here at Brock.
@WhiteKat, my wife is doing better now. She might have to stay in the hospital for 10 days or more. The baby is the second addition to our family and so far everything looks good, except that the baby wants to get out a few months early.
If SeniorResearcher keeps up the good work, which I highly recommend, he/she will destroy FATCA all by him/herself. All of those personal attacks expressed while waving the banner of FATCA will successfully cause any sane American to become completely disgusted with FATCA. No American patriot can tolerate the hatred SeniorResearcher is spewing against anyone with an American connection.
So, SeniorResearcher, keep up the good work! You are doing a fantastic job of destroying FATCA. If you can, find some friends to join in on your war against the American people. You and a few friends can successfully destroy FATCA faster than anyone.
@SwissPinoy
You’re right, SR accuses people as being “tax frauds” in cases where even the IRS under the IRM wouldn’t.
James has a good post out…
FATCA: a Tool of the Electronic Surveillance State
http://www.repealfatca.com/index.asp?idmenu=4&title=News&idsubmenu=135
Since I see I was a topic of discussion in this threat -it’s fun to Google your avatar name sometimes- I’d like to hear a viable counter-argument from anyone who is capable to any of the statements I’ve made.
Also, I’m wondering, if all of you are so certain the US is “tyrannical” for taxing its citizens abroad, why don’t you just give up your US Citizenship? I know the reason, it’s because when you end up in a tough situation you want the US Embassy to come to your rescue. You want the insurance policy that the US State Department provides but you worthless bums don’t want to pay for it.
Personally, I’d rather see all of you jagoffs find another way to cover your ass. Also, there are already enough stories of “Rand Paul supporters arrested overseas for murdering prostitutes”, we don’t need anymore stories about you people and your hobbies.
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@Otter, OMG, you figured it out!
Yes, yes, I want US citizenship, just in case I get into trouble somewhere in the world! Sorry kids and husband, but this Canadian momma is having a mid-life crisis and wants to travel! I just might “end up in a tough situation” where I would “want the US Embassy to come to my rescue”.
The “US State Department is such an insurance policy” and the reason I never formally renounced my US citizenship which was bestowed upon me due to the fortunate happenstance of spending the first 18 months of my life on USA soil.
I am just a “worthless bum”, who thought I could get all this for free. I am so ashamed. 🙁
@WhiteKat, you are just too funny!
I could be wrong, but I think that the reason why people who live in America pay local taxes to finance a local military, is to that they will be able to defend themselves if Cuba attacks. Otherwise, nobody in the US would be able to prevent Castro from reducing US federal government spending by 98%.
@Whitekat…
Don’t forget, once you are rescued, they will still send you a bill for their services. 🙂 That is like ending up in the hospital from a car crash which the insurance company pays for, but then turns around and bills your for it. Great policy!
@The Contentious Otter
“Also, I’m wondering, if all of you are so certain the US is “tyrannical” for taxing its citizens abroad, why don’t you just give up your US Citizenship?”
Many of us, including myself, have done just that. Not (only) for taxing its citizens abroad, however. The tyranny of the USA is much more extensive than that. As far as I’m concerned, they can send their A-Team to rescue someone else.
@the Contentious Otter
Right now the biggest threat to Americans abroad IS the US government.
@Contentious Otter: “…because when you end up in a tough situation you want the US Embassy to come to your rescue.” LOL, the US Embassy can’t even come to its own rescue, as the Benghazi incident has taught us. Why would I have kept my citizenship just to be saved by such a pathetically overstretched country that is going to charge me for the privilege of being saved? Or did you not hear about how the Canadians rescued Canadian citizens when war broke out in Lebanon. Indeed, the French are the ones charged with saving American butts in French-African countries like CAR when war breaks out in them, as a courtesy to their allies. So I don’t see how the protection of the United States is worth anything to people like me. What I need is protection from the tax aggression of the United States and that is why I made my pledge to the Queen of Canada with the intention of relinquishing my US citizenship, because the United States is the biggest real threat to my welfare and that of my family.
@Contentious Otter, and by the way, “the worthless bums” are the US homelanders who elect democrats and republicans whose plan to stop gap the trillion dollar deficits is to go after US expats who pay their taxes in a law abiding manner in their countries of residence where they receive real government services and also have representation in their legislatures and parliaments. Your food stamp recipients and other Obama voters, who wanted US expats to pay for their health care. You are the bums. We pay our taxes in our countries–more than you do in your own. We are not bums.
Contentious Otter is using the logic in Cook v. Tait, the US Supreme Court case from 1924 on overseas taxation:
There are a lot of problems with the logic of this today, but the main one has to do with dual citizenship, something not contemplated in 1924. The US has no responsibility at all to duals when they’re in their country of their other citizenship, but nonetheless expects them to file tax returns as if they benefited from the protection of the United States overseas, and in fairness should be expected to support it through taxation.
@broken man, exactly right. They won’t protect someone who is a dual national, says so on the passport. So what justifies taxation in that case? Uh, nothing?
“Also, I’m wondering, if all of you are so certain the US is “tyrannical” for taxing its citizens abroad, why don’t you just give up your US Citizenship? I know the reason, it’s because when you end up in a tough situation you want the US Embassy to come to your rescue. You want the insurance policy that the US State Department provides but you worthless bums don’t want to pay for it.
Personally, I’d rather see all of you jagoffs find another way to cover your ass. Also, there are already enough stories of “Rand Paul supporters arrested overseas for murdering prostitutes”, we don’t need anymore stories about you people and your hobbies.”
@The Contentious Otter, you are typical of how I have seen Americans all of my life. The fact that I was born in a US hospital, to Canadian parents, along the Canadian border, does not require my life-long enslavement to your country, which has chosen to circle the drain. Not only did the US tell me, over 20 years ago, that I was not a US citizen, they also told me I had to do nothing about it.
I have never sought, nor received, benefit of any kind from your country. Not a passport, not a job, not an education, not welfare, not an Obama Phone. My country, Canada, has taken quite excellent care of me, in any time of need. I pay my taxes to my country, Canada, not some foreign government with it’s gangsta culture of pistol-whipping thievery. Al Capone would be proud of your shakedown government.
@All…The USA did nothing to help my US born but Canadian permanent resident whose husband brought her up and 5 kids to Canada 50 years ago. Not much money, bought property in rural Canada with no electricity or plumbing, They had 2 more children and he abandoned her and went back to the USA..She asked the US government to help her find him through his VA disabilty benefirts from the Korean war..The US government refused her because of “privacy” . Our Canadian government helped her get his VA benefits when he died. She raised the kids on her home and now faces FATCA..She never filed her US taxes since she came up…Not aware she had to…thinking the USA was just like the rest of the world with Resident based taxes….
Canada for me is the greatest country in my world…My brother suggested , after a reconciliation we had , for me to apply for Social Security benefits…HA! Never… I want nothing from the USA. I too never had a US passport. I filed my US taxes up to and including 1993 and then stopped when I became a Canadian and soon I will have my CLN to show I am not a US person. American Taxman stay away from my door. I don’t need you for “protection”.
@The Contentious Otter, I’d like to thank you for supporting IBS, bringing IBS members closer together, and helping to strengthen it among the American expat population while demonstrating that IBS is doing the right thing of fighting for a just cause. You are a true IBS hero! If I could hand out an award for the IBS member of the year, then I would give it to you. The energy, time and effort that you sacrifice for IBS shows that you are a dedicated and loyal IBS member! Your solid love for IBS is showing.
If such was not the case, then you would be fighting for America to switch to a residency-based tax system, since such a change would clearly mark the end of IBS and maybe even cause some participants to regret that they had renounced US citizenship. But, of course, as a loyal lover of IBS, you would never ever do such a thing! IBS must go on and you will remain as one of IBS’ leading loyalists. Thanks so much for your support!
Bravo, SwissPinoy!