"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." – George Orwell, born on this day 110 years ago
— Arianna Huffington (@ariannahuff) June 25, 2013
Ron Paul explains why the US gov views its citizens as the enemy http://t.co/KdEl08Eh7Z – It's amazing. Really it is.
— U.S. Citizen Abroad (@USCitizenAbroad) June 25, 2013
In light of the above two thoughts, I encourage you to read this editorial in the Toronto Globe and Mail. Looks like many people perceive the issue to be “US spying” and not Snowden “truth telling”.
Edward #Snowden: From Internet crusader to pawn of China and Russia? http://t.co/B5vniCPqKH – US clearly losing war of public opinion
— U.S. Citizen Abroad (@USCitizenAbroad) June 25, 2013
I see that Snowden is using the term “US person”
The most strange phenomenon is happening. Those inclined to support Obama are siding with Dick Cheney against Snowdon, while others are taking the Rand and Ron Paul stance in support of his actions. Liberals are in for some serious cognitive dissonance on the NSA issue.
“US person”-proof positive that he’s defected somewhere.
Some on the left dumped their BFF Obama at least two years ago. At which time they didn’t get much press anymore or were shamed into silence by the water carriers and cultish ones. No dissent was allowed. But there are MANY articles raising MANY alarm bells about him being worse than Bush on many things which they originally felt he would do FAR better on. He’s even shamed the left calling the ones who disagreed with his positions on drones and other issues “purists” Axelrod was the worst of the worst for this. There were even t shirts sold by those who broke off. “Too Liberal 4 Obama” I wore one once and was chastised on the street by one of his worshippers. The idea at the time was to encourage third party candidates due to the two main legacy parties being so corrupted.
Those who are party purists to use Obama’s left bashing word, will go with whatever he says no matter what it is and even when it is in direct opposition to the dems so called “values” This happened with Bush too. I don’t call these people “liberals” or conservatives” people who stand with a person or party over principle are “followers” just like a cult has “followers” People who think this way scare me.
The Obama that I used to know:
LOL! Yeah, that’s who they were. Guess they never talked to Alice Palmer like I did. The activist and her husband who did the REAL “community organizing” on the south side of Chicago who helped Obama get into Chicago politics. As a thanks to her, he ruined her career. Or read about how he helped an oil company who polluted the water in his district. To hold them accountable he let them do their own internal investigation about the spill into the ground water, and hand out their own discipline if any. There was none. I could go on but, I won’t. He was never “that guy” I was always shocked by those fooled by him. Anybody coming out of Mayor Daly’s machine ought to at least be vetted! But the press loved him, he gave good speeches, he made people feel good. The press was the same way about Bush at first and I guess that’s what gave me pause from about the sixth month into the cheerleading. After I had lunch with Alice Palmer…well, that was all she wrote for me.
It would be nice if Canada’s government didn’t let the U.S. pols lead this country. It is an utterly corrupted system they have with utterly bought and paid for leaders. They aren’t leading the country very well and are already doing damage here. FATCA I fear by taking over the banking in this country in direct opposition to our Charter is a bigger invasion than most people know. Wish the press would cover it that way.
That video is hilarious!
The problem with Obama is that there is no Obama. He is just an empty vessel which is being filled by anybody and everything. The guy has zero experience at anything. He has made a living playing the “race card” (from the bottom of the deck). At least Bush had principles. You might not have liked the principles, but at least there were principles.
Obama once commented that:
“People criticize the Democrats saying we don’t stand for anything.
The problem is that Democrats DO stand for anything.”
Yup, he got that one right.
Yeah, it does seem that there are two kinds of liberals at play in the US. The statist types that are willing to side with the likes of Dick Cheney, and those of us that actually know what the term ‘liberal’ means.
While there was a lot of talk about the Tea Party types taking over the Republican party, there was no talk about these statist types taking over the Democrat party.
Yes, I am an unashamed liberal, and I’m of the view that when the Cult of the Messiah decided that they wanted us to walk in lockstep with their statist, authoritarian view, and that no dissent was allowed, I lost my respect for the whole bunch of them. He’s just as much as a tyrant as Bush, and his minions are just as brainwashed. The Democrats basically left me at that point, nay, more like the whole damned country did. I may as well support Ron Paul while I look for the exit, because there’s no way in hell they’ll ever really give him a chance.
No, most all of those asshats in the US government, and apparently a good deal of the homelanders have forgotten to adhere to the first rule of freedom, which is: “Freedom means you don’t get to dictate to anyone!” Instead, they’ve flushed way the rule of law for rule of men instead.
*Applause* for you mjh. I took the same journey you did out of the party line when that line deviated from principle for the sake of a “win” I went third party too though not Ron Paul. Then I gave up on the entire thing. The veal pen so called reporters on the left like Kos kids, *big orange cheeto* and Huffpo truly all are veal pen. No dissent allowed. Cognitive dissonance reigns supreme. If not they lose “access” I still read at FDL but, even there they are disconnected so many times from anything outside the beltway let alone outside the U.S. I applaud what they do right but, just want out.
I give up on them after a lot of hair pulling. What really had me throwing in the towel was the “shame a liberal” meme that came out of Obama’s mouth over and over and his minions too. Bushco, and Obamaco are the end of the line for me.
At least Canada still has a mind to provide decent health care without bailing out the in$urance companie$. Man the U.S. game is gamed to the hilt. Maybe the good part of FATCA is realizing it’s time to get well and done with all of that!
from the Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/27/ecuador-us-trade-pact-edward-snowden
“Ecuador breaks US trade pact to thwart ‘blackmail’ over Snowden asylum
Government renounces Andean Trade Preference Act even as Snowden’s prospects of reaching Ecuador from Moscow dimmed
Rory Carroll in Quito
The Guardian, Thursday 27 June 2013 19.56 BST
“Ecuador has ramped up its defiance of the US over Edward Snowden by waiving preferential trade rights with Washington even as the whistleblower’s prospect of reaching Quito dimmed.
President Rafael Correa’s government said on Thursday it was renouncing the Andean Trade Preference Act to thwart US “blackmail” of Ecuador in the former NSA contractor’s asylum request……………”
I love the wording – “US blackmail”.
Exactly. And that is what FATCA is. And extortion is the term for the method that the US uses – terrifying US expats intocompliance with extraterritorial US taxation and asset reporting and payment – in the absence of any US economic connection.
According to a press release issued by the Greens in the European Parliament, dated 30 June (http://www.greens-efa.eu/spy-attacks-against-the-eu-10218.html), Daniel Cohn-Bendit says:
“Whistleblower Snowden has stood up for human and civil rights, especially those of European citizens. Granting him asylum now is a question of European values.. To leave him stuck in limbo in a no-man’s land is ignoble and damages the EU’s image.”
“We will propose Snowden for the European parliament’s Sakharov prize.”
According to press reports yesterday, U.S. President Obama said, “[He] showed us that one man’s courage can move the world” Also, Obama vowed to help bring “light where there is currently darkness.”
Was he talking about
(a) Nelson Mandela and South Africa?
(b) Edward Snowden and secret US surveillance?
(c) George Bush and Dick Cheney?
(d) himself and his administration’s policies on human rights?
If I get two votes, it will be (a) and (b), the only heroes with courage of the lot — and bringing light.
e) none of the above. He’s just pouring a big glass of Koolaid for the masses.
“Despite the revocation of his passport on June 22, 2013, Mr. Snowden remains a U.S. citizen”
Attorney General Eric Holder letter to Russia’s minister of justice
NYT 26 July 2013
Unlucky Edward J. Snowden – SameOldSameOld having it both ways – preeminent sign of a failing state
Edward Snowden, after months of NSA revelations, says his mission’s accomplished
Taken together, the revelations have brought to light a global surveillance system that cast off many of its historical restraints after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. Secret legal authorities empowered the NSA to sweep in the telephone, Internet and location records of whole populations. One of the leaked presentation slides described the agency’s “collection philosophy” as “Order one of everything off the menu.”
Six months after the first revelations appeared in The Washington Post and Britain’s Guardian newspaper, Snowden agreed to reflect at length on the roots and repercussions of his choice. He was relaxed and animated over two days of nearly unbroken conversation, fueled by burgers, pasta, ice cream and Russian pastry.
Snowden offered vignettes from his intelligence career and from his recent life as “an indoor cat” in Russia. But he consistently steered the conversation back to surveillance, democracy and the meaning of the documents he exposed.
“For me, in terms of personal satisfaction, the mission’s already accomplished,” he said. “I already won. As soon as the journalists were able to work, everything that I had been trying to do was validated. Because, remember, I didn’t want to change society. I wanted to give society a chance to determine if it should change itself.”