The following comment was stated in response to the Swiss government’s approval of FATCA
Wir sind tot!!
Frau Widmer Schlumpf, wann werde ich mit meiner Familie verkauft, damit Sie den USA unser Vermögen übermitteln können dass wir in der Schweiz erwirtschaftet haben. Bin Doppelbürger, habe aber noch nie in der USA gelebt. Sie haben uns faktisch umgebracht, ist Ihnen das klar.
Translation:
We are dead!!
Mrs. Widmer Schlumpf, when am I going to be sold with my family, so that you can submit my Swiss-earned assets to the US government. I am a dual citizen and never lived in America. You have factually murdered us, is this clear to you?Source (comments section)
@Just Me
Which specific Chrome extension are you using? There are dozens of language and translation utilities on the Chrome site so I’m not sure which one to try. Unfortunately, your “Chrome extension” link generates an error message from the Chrome Web store.
Widmer-Schlumpf is a coward and a traitor. Feindling!!! Versagerin!!! Resign now!!!
It is not because you are a woman, remember Ruth Dreyfuss actually did something productive when she was on the Federal Council (maternity insurance). Ruth is socialist, and I don’t like that, but she had a pair of tits and I suspect that she would have told the US to stuff it.
But you, Widmer-Schlumpf, are no better and perhaps worse than Calmy-Rey.
And Maurer, why don’t you grow a pair of balls and do something?
@mj, you could always go down and renounce anyway, especially if you have all of your residency paperwork. Just check to make sure that Canada has signed all of the treaties on stateless people. The downside is that it is a Beeatch to travel.
Take me for instance: Fully established where I live. All residency paperwork. Citizenship paperwork is sitting on someone’s desk, taking a [suspiciously] long time. All I’m waiting for is the paperwork to go to the Capital. I have no desilre to travel anywhere. Statelessness wouldn’t affect my life one bit. A lot of people are scared of Statelessness, but if they have a really strong claim (dependents, pending citizenship, etc..) to live where they live, they shouldn’t be so scared.
Many won’t like to hear it, but I’ve come to the conclusion that if we are not native born, or have parents that were native born, we are not the same. I think all that we can is to try to live life as model citizens, and hope and pray that the US doesn’t do anything stupid to piss off our host countries. The latter being my greatest fear!!
@Geeez, mj, Becoming stateless while a permanent resident of Canada may not be a good idea because Canada is currently deporting convicted felons with only permanent resident status. If a stateless person, on the off chance, should be implicated in a crime, Canada then would try to deport you back to the US. I am not exactly sure who would be responsible then.
@Deckard1138, Chrome has a built-in translator which can be enabled in the advanced settings.
@ Petros,
Statelessness is an interesting issue. A person can only be deported to a country where they have a right of residence, so statelessness very much complicates the prospects of deportation, usually making it impossible. I’ve seen this happen, where we have a deportation order but can’t execute it.
One exception that comes to mind is that if a person is not a citizen of any country, they could still be deported if they have a right of residence in a country. But according to US law, a person with a CLN does not have right of residency in the US. I’m talking immigration deportation, not rendition or that stuff, which is way out of my field.
A permanent resident, same as any non-citizen in Canada, is always at risk of being deported for having been convicted of “serious criminality” (IRPA, s. 36) because they do not have an unconditional right of residence here. Canada holds an admissibility hearing for any non-citizen who is convicted of an offence for which the person has received a term of imprisonment of more than six months or for which a maximum term of at least ten years could have been imposed
This hearing is based strictly on the facts, basically was the person convicted of a crime meeting those conditions, so almost always has to result in a deportation order (which is not necessarily ever executed due to appeal rights). The order is not executable for 30 days, during which time one can stay it by filing application for appeal, which PRs almost always do. If so, the person is safe from deportation pending appeal.
If the person is a permanent resident they have an automatic right of appeal to the Immigration Appeal Division. (A non PR also has appeal rights, but they have to go through the Federal Court. A PR, however, may appeal an IAD decision to the Federal Court.)
The Immigration Appeal Division can (and very often does) grant a stay of removal to a PR, based on various factors, including humanitarian and compassionate factors such as the degree of the person’s establishment in Canada, ties to the community, lack of ties to their other country, best interests of child who would be affected by the decision, etc.
If the stay of removal is granted (usually they’re for two or three years), the person retains their permanent resident status, subject to the conditions of the stay (generally, don’t get arrested again type of stuff). If at the expiry of the stay, the person has met the conditions of the stay, the deportation order is quashed.
When it comes to a common-garden-variety criminal, who was born in the US but does not have a right of residence there, would the US intervene and say to Canada, “This person (a convicted burglar, say) is stateless and has no right of residence in the US, but they used to be a US citizen, so we want you to deport him to us?” It seems unlikely. Admittedly the US seems to surprise me more every day. But I’d foresee a lot of procedural problems arising on the Canadian side of it.
Ir would be more difficult, if not impossible, to deport a stateless PR than if the PR had citizenship in another country. If, by chance, a person who receives a deportation order has right of residence in two countries, the person can choose which one to be deported to.
@Pacifica, thanks for this reply. The US will deport people back to their country of birth and force the other country to receive them. I guess Canada doesn’t have the ability to force the US to take their native born wayward sons. The US has sent back to Korea adopted half-Koreans whose adoptions go awry, and these people have been stateless because once Korea lets a child be adopted, that child no longer has citizenship status. Then, Korea will accept them back, I suppose, because the US insists, and then the persons will die within a couple years because they have no right to work or to social assistance.
Still the risk of becoming stateless is not really a very promising, since a person could remain stateless for the rest of their lives, if for some reason, in the case of Canada, they can no longer qualify for Canadian citizenship because of a criminal conviction (though pardons in Canada are given out freely).
@monalisa1776
Indeed. You can’t worry about the things you can’t control. You should only concern yourself with the things that you can control. As for myself, I don’t have much, but i can’t afford to play ostrich, either. Too expensive on my piece of mind.
@WhiteKat
I hear you. If you never felt as though you’ve held citizenship, then what is there to renounce? The government might not recognize it, but that is a truth they simply can’t take away.
Those interested in statelessness should have a look at this academic article:
http://usxcanada.wordpress.com/2012/09/01/2012-sept-stiller/