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The up-to-date database resides in Part 2 (link at the bottom of this page).

Above is a link to data we are compiling on Relinquishments and Renunciations — a work in progress. This corresponds with the Consulate Report Directory (in sticky post below), tracking individual experiences for each Consulate, along with a timeline chart.

Note: We are using numbers instead of blog names for this public posting so there will be no compromise of private information. Your facts will help give a snapshot of relinquishment and renunciation activity and where that occurs.

Please submit information in the comments here (or someone can contact you privately). Thanks for all your help on this.

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1,118 thoughts on “Relinquishment and Renunciation Data (as reported on Isaac Brock), Part 1”

  1. *Newman, I think that the regret factor is relative to US policy.  With the current US policy and its future estimates, people tend to feel relieved and happy that they renounced, leaving little room for regret, given that there is no hope of the system improving.  Yet, if America became the most expat-friendly nation on the planet, then there would also be no regret either because America would apologize to its expats and welcome them back.

    @Medea Fleecestealer, swearing and affirming is silly, in my view.  The signature is sufficient.  Yet, one must do what is demanded of one to get the job done.


  2. @Roger Conklin, oh I will definitely be affirming don’t worry.  I just wondered what the differences were which pacifica777 confirms.  It’s just if you want to use a holy book or not.  As an agnostic I’ll be affirming.

  3. *@Medea,, It is just part of the secular government ritual.  Go through the motions and everything will be ok.  Have no fear. God will not strike you dead.

  4. O/T

    @ Bruce

    Go Blue! I would have sent you a PM but I couldn’t find you in the forum. My Michigan fandom will continue even if I cease to be an American. Basketball is looking very strong this year.

  5. @Edelweiss,

    I’ve been back to Saline/Ann Arbor 4-5 times in the last five years after not being there for 42! I always follow and hope for UofM in football and basketball but the hat represents the area for me just as much as the school. It’s become part of my (self)identity. I love going back and reconnecting and even introduced my wife to the 112,000 in attendance at a game at Michigan Stadium. Awesome!

  7. O/T

    @Bruce

    I was born in Oakland County but only lived there for a short period of time so can’t really say I have roots there. As a child I was captivated by the “winged helmet” on TV which intersected with my birth place and have been a fan since. I picked out the tune to The Victors through trial and error on our piano, about the only musical thing I’ve done in my life. My prized possession as a teenager was a used sweatband I got from Anthony Carter when he played in the USFL. My only trip to the Big House was a loss to Wisconsin, but I still loved it. I read mgoblog religiously.

  8. *@Bruce, it has been 59 years since I graduated and left Ann Arbor. That big football stadium kept me very awed, but then we moved to Rio de Janeiro where we lived 3 Km. from the gigantic Maracana soccer stadium which seats 225,000. And we did not have to be there when the home team made a goal in order to know about it. With some 200,000 voices screaming “GOOOOOOOL” in unision, it carred for a very long distance.

  9. @Bruce – Thanks for letting us know how it is going with you.  I also share the same attachments to places that you do.  We have one in common.  I was born in Yonkers, too.  I also share the same feeling about the bad policy that has forever changed the lives of many Americans abroad. 

  10. @ Lisa,

    You, me and Steven Tyler (same year as me)! 🙂

    We moved to Canada when I had just turned 16 and I had never gotten back to Saline, despite having gone to school there from grades 3-11. In 2007, I discovered we were having a 40th high school reunion and they happily allowed me to attend. I hadn’t spoken to a single classmate in 42 years and it was absolutely one of the best things I’ve ever done.

    Not everyone has a happy childhood but I did and can’t imagine growing up in a better place. We went to my 45th this past October and have visited a couple of times in between. Yes, I have re-found my roots and they are in Saline, MI. The US is “mine” now as much as it ever was, US citizenship or not. Perhaps it’s easier for me than some though because I’ve always felt I was a person of the world, not an “Exceptional American”.

  11. *Bruce Newman, that’s how I view it.  Citizenship is just an imaginary concept designed to maintain economic/political stability by controlling migration patterns, while the “home” of an individual is anyplace where they enjoy(ed) living, regardless of nationality.   Many view me as being a partial (former) American, and most laugh and brush it off when I state: “I’m not a citizen”, viewing such as being near irrelevant.  It’s only the extremes that get all huffy and puffy when mumbling “traitor” while not understanding what such means.

    My US roots are in Colorado, Oklahoma, Missouri, Georgia, Florida, California and I had plans of expanding these roots to New York, New Orleans, Oregon, Hawaii, Alaska, etc. Yet, lately my roots have been expanding in Europe and will likely continue growing in Asia or the Australias. Maybe my roots have legs and can walk! 🙂

  12. Swear vs Affirm. DS-4081 has an either/or checkbox for swear/affirm. At my renunciation I was outraged at being forced to raise my right hand. To affirm means that no symbolic flimflam beyond your uttered word should be required. This threat was made: you wouldn’t want this renunciation not to take effect, would you? How symbolic to be made suffer such a final atrocity as a US person. As to what is religious, swear or affirm, maybe it depends on your religion (see Matthew 5:34-37)?

  14. It’s time for me to chime in with the others who have recently received their CLNs. For now, just a brief summary for the renunciation statistics:

    – Renouncement request in Frankfurt, Germany: July 2012

    – 1st apointment: August 2012 (No second appointment required.)

    – CLN received: December 2012 (Slightly less than 4 months after renouncement appt.)

    – CLN date: August 2012

  16. @notamused,

    Thanks so much for your report. I am happy to have added another entry of success in Frankfurt, Germany this morning. Congratulations and thanks for letting your experience be part of our compilations here. The best to you and yours for the holidays and your freedom.

  17. Thank you very much for your kind words, Bruce and calgary411. I wish you all the best for the holidays and the new year as well!

  18. Everytime someone gets a CLN, a bell rings and an angel in heaven gets its wings. Congratulations notamused! Ding, ding!

  23. @calgary411 – Wow, I’ve seen that you’ve updated the statistics already. Good stuff! Just noticed a small glitch though: CLN Recd and CLN Date should be the other way around. (Not to be fussy, but just to make sure the information is accurate.)

  24. Thanks for straightening me out, notamused. I will go in and correct what I put up in too much haste to get another recorded. Again, congratulations!!

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