The up-to-date database resides in Part 2 (link at the bottom of this page).
Above is a link to data we are compiling on Relinquishments and Renunciations — a work in progress. This corresponds with the Consulate Report Directory (in sticky post below), tracking individual experiences for each Consulate, along with a timeline chart.
Note: We are using numbers instead of blog names for this public posting so there will be no compromise of private information. Your facts will help give a snapshot of relinquishment and renunciation activity and where that occurs.
Please submit information in the comments here (or someone can contact you privately). Thanks for all your help on this.
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@CIR,
What airline are you travelling on? You may be able to travel on your Canadian passport OK.
Note: Last summer I flew from Calgary to Toronto on Westjet with an American Airlines connection to Chicago. I did get a phone query from American Airlines regarding my place of birth before the date of my departure (a US airline / partner of Westjet?) and I did use my US passport. I have no idea what airline rules are for this or when and when not there are queries like I got.
That is horrible that the Vancouver Consulate has left you hanging on scheduling of your second appointment. I wonder if you could wait for your appointment until your return from the States, take the chance for crossing the border / it could (and most likely will) go smoothly and you can honestly say, if there is a problem, that you are in the process of renouncing your US citizenship at the Vancouver US Consulate. It would be verifiable. Even if you were to have had your second appointment before your travel, you would not have received your Certificate of Loss of Nationality in time (although you would have a receipt for the $450 fee, saying, hopefully, that it is for Renouncement.
Any other suggestions out there?
*Don’t panic. Use your Canadian passport. This has not been a problem so far except to cause undue concern.
*Thank you, calgary411 and Cornwalliscal, for thoughtful remarks. I plan to do pretty much as you suggest and appreciate your encouraging input, although carrier requirements come across as strict, going so far as to say that my Canadian passport should have at least six months left on it before expiry. Mine will have 24 weeks! My carrier, by the way, is Air Canada to and from LA.
As an aside to this, the consular interviewer — under mild coaxing from me — commented that, as an American with an American birth certificate and no criminal record, etc, they can’t really keep me out of my own country. They could of course be thoroughly unpleasant, pull me aside and screw things up, but maybe none of us should indulge that much border-specific paranoia.
Taking this argument further, what is the validity of requiring dual US citizens to have US passports to enter the US EVER…? Opposed, say, to other documentation such as birth certificates — often used to secure passports in the first place?
Vancouver Consulate renounce dates for Cir:
*first contact (email): May 30, 2012
first appointment: June 6, 2012
@CIR
Don’t worry about the 6 month limit. Canadians are exempt from the “Six Month Club”, your passport only need to be valid for the period of your stay.
http://www.cbp.gov/linkhandler/cgov/travel/inspections_carriers_facilities/clp/bulletins/clp_bullentin_04162008.ctt/clp_bulletin_04162008.pdf
@ Cir, if you do get delayed, missed your flight, or if the border officials completely deny your entry into the United States, please report back to us what happens.
Thanks, Cir, for giving us your commentary and lending your experience to further help others who will be renouncing or relinquishing in Vancouver (or elsewhere). We like to keep adding to the snapshot we’re creating with the help of you and everyone else contributing their experiences. Hope you have a safe journey and put this out of your mind a bit.
@Cir,
Well, we need a passport, that is a given. But, yes, why shouldn’t our Canadian passport (along with US documentation, if necessary, for what?). Just another thing that makes us second-class Canadians compared to other Canadians crossing the border by virtue of that “supposed” or otherwise additional US citizenship.
*Looking for help to find a thread I think I saw or linked to from this site about reliquishment. It was a thread where the applicant had videoed his declaration and then sent it with his application as proof of his intent. I’d just like to read it more fully, but I can’t seem to find the thread. Does it ring any bells with anyone, and if so, can you point me in the direction of it? I must have been looking at it a month to two months ago when I first started visiting the site after being pointed this way from the English Forum site here in Switzerland. Meanwhile, I’ll keep checking the archives to see if I can find it there.
Question for the Brockers… I understand CDN passports allow for the option to have the birthplace removed… would that alleviate some troubles for those crossing into the U.S. with a U.S. birthplace or create an even worse situation?
@newb
You can get a passport without birthplace. The only problem is that some countries will not grant you entry without it.
The US is one of those countries.
@Just A Canadian:
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The only problem is that some countries will not grant you entry without [a passport with a birthplace].
The US is one of those countries.
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That can’t be right, because there are some passports from some countries that don’t have birthplaces on them (even if you wanted to specify it). An example is the Japanese passport *:
http://www.turning-japanese.info/2012/07/types-of-japanese-passports.html
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http://www.turning-japanese.info/2012/07/what-happens-when-non-japanese-see.html
* I have a Japanese passport/citizenship, I’ve renounced my natural born U.S. citizenship, and I enter the U.S. all the time.
@Eido
I cannot find the reference that I saw just a few days ago that stated that.
Perhaps the difference is that no Japanese passport has place of birth, there is no space for it. A Canadian passport has a space for it, but it is left blank for those who request it.
Passport Canada does state that if you have a passport without a place of birth some countries will not admit you.
Interestingly, an Australian passport has a place of birth field that only lists the town/city, not state or country.
Obviously it is not much help if you were born in a very well known city, but otherwise it should limit problems.
I wonder how many other countries are similar?
*Thanks for the info… there goes 1 idea to spare myself questioning about my U.S. birthplace from border control when I travel on my CDN passport.
*It is official, received my CLN approved Jul 16,2012. Expatriated self March 1, 2012 at Montréal consulate general.
Super! Congratulations, Patricia!
You’re the first CLN report we’ve heard from Montréal. Seems to be another sign that they are doing something about the Canadian CLN backlog. First that batch to Calgary last month, then a Halifax batch one/two weeks ago, now Montréal … hope that train’s stopping in Toronto soon 🙂
Congratulations, Patricia. You are the same (under a different pseudonym) reported for Montreal so glad to see that you now have your CLN. Is the actual date of your CLN the same as the date of your renunciation oath? Thanks for the info!!!
*calgary411
yes, the effective date of the CLN is same as the date I signed the oath
Congratulations, Patricia. I’m sure you feel very relieved and happy as did my wife and I.
Congratulations Patricia! Everytime a CLN arrives another angel gets its wings. 🙂 This is really encouraging to see what appears to be an attempt to clear a Canadian log jam.
What a beautiful analogy, Em!
*@everyone
this is rather bittersweet occaision. As a Vietnam era veteran it is difficult to accept that I or any American would feel it necessary to renounce citizenship to protect ourselves and our families from the unjust and arbitrary intrusion of US laws into our daily lives.
I cannot vote in the coming election, but have one more chance to stand up and be counted by insisting that my name be enetered in the federal register.
We have done nothing to be ashamed of, and as it is most likely that my ancestors were implicated in resisting the American invaisions during the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812, I now count myself a Canadian patriot
Patricia Mathieu
Good for you, Patricia. I want my name there also when I have completed my renunciation. Thanks for all your input here and being an important part of Isaac Brock Society!
*You do have to wonder if there are not substantially more people in both Toronto and Vancouver than we know of given that it seems as if no one(other than Petro) has obtained a CLN from either consulate. Most of the backlog from Calgary, Halifax, and now Montreal appears to have cleared.