See also: Please read this post if your actual expatriation date is before 2004 (Updated)
The blog post on ex post facto stirred up a flurry of e-mails between members of the society. It switched on a light bulb for some that the State Department and the IRS were trying to pull a fast one, and that those who were following rules at the time of their relinquishment were not required to follow the new rules.
According to the instructions for 8854, and USC 26 section 877, the date of expatriation is as follows (US Code at Cornell University):
(4)Relinquishment of citizenship
A citizen shall be treated as relinquishing his United States citizenship on the earliest of—
(A) the date the individual renounces his United States nationality before a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States pursuant to paragraph (5) of section 349(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1481(a)(5)),
(B) the date the individual furnishes to the United States Department of State a signed statement of voluntary relinquishment of United States nationality confirming the performance of an act of expatriation specified in paragraph (1), (2), (3), or (4) of section 349(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C.1481(a)(1)–(4)),
(C) the date the United States Department of State issues to the individual a certificate of loss of nationality, or
(D) the date a court of the United States cancels a naturalized citizen’s certificate of naturalization.
Subparagraph (A) or (B) shall not apply to any individual unless the renunciation or voluntary relinquishment is subsequently approved by the issuance to the individual of a certificate of loss of nationality by the United States Department of State.
Now this is all well and good, namely with regard to item (B) above, which states that the expatriation date is the day that a person informs the State Department. But the question remains when did this law actually come into effect; for it cannot be applied ex post facto to those who committed an expatriating act before that date. One of the members of the Isaac Brock Society tracked it down: The answer is that if you relinquished your US citizenship before February 6, 1995, you were not required to have informed the State Department. My correspondent thus wrote to me (reproduced with permission):
As it turns out, the timeline of important amendments and changes to Section 877 of the Internal Revenue Code (26 USC) dealing with Loss of Nationality begins much earlier than the June 2, 2004 amendment which introduced the infamous IRS Form 8854. For our purposes (meaning those who committed relinquishing acts in the 60’s, 70’s and early 80’s), the truly significant date vis-a-vis the IRS is actually February 6, 1994, as referenced in the 1996 Amendment – the most important one for us to understand, I believe. In a nutshell, those of us who committed qualifying relinquishing acts before February 6, 1994 are absolutely NOT subject to amendments made after this date under the terms of a “special rule”. As a result, it appears that we have no requirement to provide any IRS-specific forms or statements to the IRS, including form 8854! It would appear that a simple notification letter from us (notarized and duplicated, I would suggest) indicating that the Department of State has processed and issued a CLN showing a relinquishment date prior to February 6, 1994 should suffice. This seems to be the means by which a back-dated CLN issued by State could be used to provide sufficient information to the IRS to not require any further action. Of course, while State eventually provides its own direct notification to the IRS, I think it is important that we provide a “good faith” letter as well.
I have found some important references to this date, within FindLaw notes and in the official IRS Code. I am providing links and screen shots to relevant portions of these references, as follows:
1. FindLaw notes for 1996 Amendment:
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/26/A/1/N/II/A/877/notes
[I have bolded the most relevant text]
EFFECTIVE DATE OF 1996 AMENDMENT
Section 511(g) of Pub. L. 104-191 provided that:
“(1) In general. – The amendments made by this section [amending this section and sections 2107 and 2501 of this title] shall apply to –
“(A) individuals losing United States citizenship (within the meaning of section 877 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986) on or after February 6, 1995, and “(B) long-term residents of the United States with respect to whom an event described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of section 877(e)(1) of such Code occurs on or after February 6, 1995. “(2) Ruling requests. – In no event shall the 1-year period referred to in section 877(c)(1)(B) of such Code, as amended by this section, expire before the date which is 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act [Aug. 21, 1996].
“(3) Special rule. –
“(A) In general. – In the case of an individual who performed an act of expatriation specified in paragraph (1), (2), (3), or (4) of section 349(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1481(a)(1)-(4)) before February 6, 1995, but who did not, on or before such date, furnish to the United States Department of State a signed statement of voluntary relinquishment of United States nationality confirming the performance of such act, the amendments made by this section and section 512 [enacting section 6039F of this title] shall apply to such individual except that the 10-year period described in section 877(a) of such Code shall not expire before the end of the 10-year period beginning on the date such statement is so furnished.
“(B) Exception. – Subparagraph (A) shall not apply if the individual establishes to the satisfaction of the Secretary of the Treasury that such loss of United States citizenship occurred before February 6, 1994.”
Amendment by Pub. L. 104-188 applicable to taxable years beginning after Dec. 31, 1999, with retention of certain transition rules, see section 1401(c) of Pub. L. 104-188, set out as a note under section 402 of this title.
2. Another FindLaw reference:
The FindLaw reference is here (though the majority of the article is out-of-date as it was written in 1999):
http://library.findlaw.com/1999/Jun/1/129807.html
QUOTE: A special transition rule applies to any U.S. citizen who committed an expatriation act before February 6, 1995 and who did not submit such a statement.
3. Extracts from IRS Code Title 26, Section 6039G – Information on individuals losing United States citizenship:
thanks you two,,,, I still have the application page open (it’s probably timed out by now). What I put before asking here was that I am a Canadian citizen,,, and then put my US passport number for that question. lol. That should make their search engines lock up! Anyway, maybe I’ll just put my Cdn number and arrive. The contact wants me to tell him when my appointment will be, and if he isnt there he’ll inform others of my case. He also wants the birth certificates of my kids. Another hassle. Anyway, if I have to go back for a second go, I’ll be “seriously displeased” (to use a quote from a Queen Elizabeth 1 production)…..
actually come to think of it, that was a quote from the movie Pride and Prejudice,
I don’t know why one or the other (US or Canadian) would speed up or delay the process at Merida. Do you know why it might? — pacifica..
I guess I’m influenced by Custom lines at airports where (some) countries have express lanes for their nationals…
Okay, I have an appointment for March 26,,, I asked if I can bring my daughters inside. they said that’s fine. The contact has said my docs “should” be sufficient. Wish me luck!!
Just an update. I drove all the way to Merida with my daughters to the US consulate. I decided to vacation in the Yucatan and Campeche area as well. It cost a few pesos but it was worth it. I arrived to the consulate a good hour and a half before the appointment. There were long line ups of Mx wanting to get US visas,, perhaps 100 an hour were filing through. My business, however, was separate and didnt require me to stand in lines. I couldnt enter the consulate until 15 minutes before the appointment, so I had a lot of time on my hands. Finally I went through a simple metal detector and a couple of doors to sit down and wait behind 6 to 8 people with their own business. I am sure I was the only one there to relinquish. To make a long story short I was called up to the wicket 3 times, and waited 2 hours for them to review my documents and forms. I met the guy I was emailing and in the end said he would be in touch by email with the determination from Washington.
Now I wait….
Oh!, and I surrendered my US passport. The one glitch that they noted was that I used the passport once to enter Mexico. It was stamped. I felt nervous about that, since maybe it was a mistake to have used it instead of my Cdn passport. I felt very relieved to have given up that passport, though…
Thanks, msd, for the update of your appointment for relinquishment of US citizenship in Merida, Mexico. Pacifica will get this information and include with the Consulate Report Directory. Can I add your anonymous data for the database at http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/relinquishment/ which will help future persons make their decisions? If so, can you give me the date of your first contact, the date of your first (only!) appointment and, when received, the date of your CLN (backdated to your expatriation) and the date actually received (month and year of each). Congratulations — may your wait for that CLN be a short one!
@msd,
Thanks very much for telling us about your consulate meeting in Merida. Hope you’ll be hearing real soon (and real good)!
I have no problem you using my experience for others. I started this process Jan 28 and finally made an appt for Mar 26, at end of February. So far I have needed only one visit, and am still waiting my CLN. Thanks for all your help, you gave me the confidence to finally get on with it. I-ll write back when I get my CLN.
Thanks very much, msd, for that change. Hope your CLN is soon to arrive — will look forward to that good news. Everyone here is here for everyone else to get information and support to make the decisions they have to make for themselves and their families. You did good and I bet it feels good for you and your daughters!!
Short and sweet.. And that’s all there is..
Greetings from the U.S. Consulate in Merida. Apologies for the delay, but I am writing to let you know that the certificate of loss of nationality has been approved by the Department of State. The certificate reflects that your expatriating act was performed on April 23, 1981.
Could you please send me the address to where we should send an original of the certificate of loss of nationality? Your U.S. passport was also cancelled. Would you like us to include the cancelled passport with your certificate
I’ll be traveling through the US to Canada with my fresh brand new CLN,,, I’ll let you know of that interesting experience, if any… Saludos!!
@msd,
Super! So glad to hear you got your CLN! Very glad they recognised the 1981 date, as you were bullied into getting the passport, which was an awful experience in the first place and caused extra stress and work for you in preparing your application. So it was great to see it’s all worked out. I’m really happy for you. Congratulations!!!
@msd,
Let me add my congratulations. Having received my own CLN (dated 1972) earlier this week, I know how you are feeling. It is also good to know that DOS recognized your entitlement to a relinquishment and that you only had a U.S. passport because of ‘misinformation’ you were given at a border crossing.
msd,
Good news from Mexico. Sincere congratulations on your successfully claiming your 1981 relinquishment, msd. Well done. Thanks for telling your story here!
Congratulations to msd, and especially congratulations to Tiger. Somehow I missed hearing that your CLN finally came through, Tiger, after all the nonsense you had to go through re your birth certificate among other things. Great news, and enjoy the formal recognition of the freedom you achieved back in 1972! Likewise msd back to 1981!
Thanks @all,,, pacifica, calgary, Tiger, Em, Arrow, et al. Where do I send my cheque? I am so proud to add my unique experience to this site. Brock can now confidently say to others that even if you have a US passport that was obtained because of intimidating US Customs, you can still surrender it and relinquish and get back to a normal status. Thank you so much for all your wise guidance. Yes I am happy,,, or I guess the word is a relieved Canadian, even though I have to carry around an official US document for the rest of my life proving the fact. Oh well, odd world we live in,,,.
Good luck to everyone else in life, and specifically to those still in this struggle…
@schubert,
Thanks for your good wishes. I want you to know that way back when (jan/2012), just after I learned of all this and then discovered IBS site, you were one of several on the site, who were my inspiration to carry on. So a big thank you for all the support.
msd — no cheque needed. You have provided invaluable information that will, if people let it, make a difference in the outcome of a claimed relinquishment, claimed even with having obtained a US passport because of intimidation at the border, vs a renunciation. What a big difference it can make for people getting back to leading their “normal” lives.
I know — I am a prime example of being intimidated and then taking even further steps to put me back into the clutches of the US — all because of my naivety. Had I known what I know now and what your experience further confirms, my path would have been much different, with less financial and emotional cost for my family.
Tiger,,, let me congratulate you too on our mutually recent successes. Let’s party! And calgary,,, I would have gone underground if I buried myself as deep as you, which would probably would have landed me in jail in the US. It seems all this nonsense is about timing: the IRS and US State Dept worldwide releases of their upcoming actions, their threats and the consequent mistrust of revealing oneself, the total ignorance of our governments on what we should do, the shocking info from lawyers of the possible consequences, And the slow but steady build up of the wrong and right ways to do things from this site. What can I say? The difference between paying a fortune and not, was because of timing? What a royal screw up!
I mean, who would have thought that the best advice 1 or 2 years ago would have been: ignore the deadlines, ignore the threats, ignore the lawyers, play stupid, wait it out and watch what others do so you can know what not to do. lol. Insane…
well done mad
As to where to contribute, click on ‘financial contributions’ (White on black under Administrative-lower right of this web page). I’m sure expenses are running ahead of income.
You’re correct, Duke. For those who can contribute, it is so appreciated. For those who can’t, you presence and your stories here are so very valuable too.
@duke,,, haha I knew my throw away comment would flag Admin to direct me in that direction. You certainly deserve it. I havent PayPal, but I’ll investigate the logistics and do what I can. Thanks…
Congratulations msd! Now that you have a safe passage certificate you should not have to worry about a US airport shake-down — at least not citizenship/IRS related. TSA is still there though, still an equal opportunity intimidator for anyone who dares think that they have a right to travel freely. Spend pesos in Mexico, loonies in Canada and try not to spend too many dollars in the USA — if you can help it. And let’s hope we never see the likes of the “amero” — ever!
http://www.globalresearch.ca/north-american-monetary-integration-here-comes-the-amero/7854