Relinquishment and Renunciation Data (as reported on Isaac Brock), Part 2
US RELINQUISHMENT RENUNCIATION.m2
Above is a link to data we are compiling on Relinquishments and Renunciations — a work in progress.
(We are starting Part 2 as Part 1 has now over 1,000 comments.) Link to “Relinquishment and Renunciation Data (as reported on Isaac Brock), Part 1”
This Relinquishment and Renunciation database corresponds with the Consulate Report Directory, which tracks individual experiences for each Consulate, along with a timeline chart.
Note: We are using numbers instead of blog names for this public posting so there will be no compromise of private information. Your facts will help give a snapshot of relinquishment and renunciation activity and where that occurs.
Please submit information in the comments below (or someone can contact you privately if you leave a message).
This database and the Consulate Report Directory have proven valuable resources for those new to the subject of relinquishment and renunciation. They can see numbers for and read others’ experiences of relinquishment or renunciation at various US consulates throughout the world — as reported by participants of the Isaac Brock site.
Thanks for your addition to the Relinquishment and Renunciation database. Your input will definitely help others.
@ pukekonz
That’s absolutely great news. Congratulations! Thank you for saying you will stick around because I think a lot of people get their CLN and after leaving the US behind them, they leave us behind too. We need everyone to keep the Brock fires burning.
pukekonz, Congratulations on your CLN, What a great feeling it is!!
@Em, I am still here, I will never leave the Brockers, or Maplesandbox, I am just the silent type.
@Pukekonz, Congratulation on your CLN, It is a wonderful feeling!
@Em, I will never leave Brock or Maplesandbox, I am just the silent type. I am always around!
@pukeonz…
Just in time as the 3rd reading of the FATCA legislation buried in the remedial matters bill was completed, and the only one speaking against it, in Parliament was Winston Peters of New Zealand First.
http://bit.ly/1piN3fQ
The Nationals are now either the Internationals, or the IBLP, IRS Bootlickeer’s Party.
@ All
My husband’s CLN arrived today in the xpresspost envelope he left with the Calgary consulate at his relinquishing appointment in early February 2014. His CLN and voided, returned US passport both say EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 2013 (the date of my husband’s Canadian citizenship ceremony). I’ll write more later but it’s too hard to type while happy dancing. We’re going to take a 2 hour drive to a favourite restaurant in a nearby province to celebrate. Thank you to everyone for making this day possible. 🙂 Mr. Em 🙂 Mrs. Em
PS This in no way means an end to our ADCS donations. The fight goes on! Courage everyone!
@Em and Mr.Em, Big Big Congratulations!! I am so happy for you both, what a great way to start the weekend.. Have a fun time tonight!!! Yea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So happy for Mr. and Mrs. Em that Mr. Em has finally received his CLN. Thanks for staying in the fight and for all the encouraging words and rhyme you give us here, Mrs. Em. You are an inspiration as so many others. Sincere congratulations that you have this added peace of mind. (Tell me that favourite restaurant — please — for some summer day road trip we can take from Calgary.)
someone mentioned: “Whatever you do remember the FBAR deadline is 30th June!”
Ok, so now I’m freaking a bit. I don’t know much about this or what I need to do (obviously asap). I’m working with one of these online expat tax people. They state:
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1. You have to file for 5 years preceding renunciation plus the final return in the year of renunciation. So it is 2008-2012 plus 2013.
2. Please complete a tax questionnaire for each year.
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They also state I need to file FBAR for past 6 years. Maybe I can get FBARS done by June30th, but I doubt I can get the other stuff done. Does it matter if FBARS are filed before my other documents? I’ll probably need my banks to give me quite a bit of account history. I don’t think I’ve gone over 10k much if at all. This is going to be really hard to find out. My online tax person sounds like they charge $65 a year for FBARS, but maybe I can do them online for free and then tell them I have already done them? Ugh.. mild panic mode.. Thanks for any advice. Sounds like I need to file tax for 2008-2012 + 2013, + 6yrs FBAR then 8854.
@Pukedonz
Congrats from me too. Let us know if you get on the shame list.
You can file for an extension, methinks. Till October.
@Pukedonz..
I think we have given you this advice before from Phil Hodgens, but think again about the FBARS. Don’t panic… It 8854 asks about Tax compliance, title 26, not FBAR compliance title 31…
READ THIS CAREFULLY and see if it applies to you…
Expatriate without filing FBARs? Sure thing
Well, some say don’t file FBAR but my paranoia thinks better safe than sorry? The lawyer blog makes a good case but I would hate something to come back to haunt me. Have any of you here taken the lawyers advice?
Congratulations to Mr. and Mrs. EM for the CLNs!
Every single CLN received is another rejection of tyranny and another finger poked in the eye of a bully.
@ Pukekonz,
Congratulations! Great to hear that your CLN has arrived! Glad to read that you’ll be sticking around, too.
Re extension for filing the 8854, I don’t know what form is used, but this is the IRS page about extensions. http://www.irs.gov/uac/Extension-of-Time-To-File-Your-Tax-Return
@Em
Very happy to hear that your husband’s CLN arrived today. Congratulations to both of you! I know you’ll be sticking around, too — and glad of that!
Hi Guys, good news I think. I sent my accountant the fbar link about exiting without fbars and they replied:
“Yes, I am aware of this link. To comply with the requirements in regards to renunciation, you have to file only your tax return for 5 preceding years. FBAR is required for US citizens, green card holders and US residents.”
Sounds like I will not do fbars then, which is fine by me.
My only confusion now is the account had once said I need to do 2008-2012 + 2013 which = 6 yrs. But maybe they did not realise I now have a CLN. Because as above they said “5 preceding years”. I am asking them what it is.. 2008-2012+ 2013, 2008-2012, or 2009-2013 ? hmm.
Looks like it’s 2008-2012 to avoid covered expatriate status, and a partial year 1040 for 2013 from 1 Jan to the day before you signed the documents at the embassy.
Form 8854, Part IV:
“(1) Enter your US income tax liability (after foreign tax credits) for the 5 tax years ending before the date of expatriation.”
Instructions for 8854. Page 2 “Taxation Under Section 877
“You are subject to taxation under section 877 if … (3) You fail to certify on Form 8854 that you have complied with all of your federal tax obligations for the 5 tax years preceding the date of your expatriation.”
877A(1)(g)(4):
“A citizen shall be treated as relinquishing his US citizenship on the earliest of …
(B) the date the individual furnishes to the United States Department of State a signed statement of voluntary relinquishment of United States nationality confirming the performance of an act of expatriation specified in paragraph (1), (2), (3), or (4) of section 349(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1481 (a)(1)–(4)),”
Thanks for the congrats everyone. Mr. Em is a free man now and we’re not even going to think about his final filings for a day or so.
@ EcstaticCanadian
One of the best days I had here was when you replaced the sad frog for a Canadian heart.
@Samuel Adams
I like to think that a little bell rang and my angel (compared to me) husband got his wings. But the poke in the eyes thing is good too.
@ calgary411
LOL We have very low key tastes. We simply like to drive to the Joey’s in Cranbrook for a treat. I think it’s the drive more than anything. We just got back and the green mountain scenery was perfect for our little celebration.
@ pacifica777
Yes, I am sticking around. Brock seems to tolerate my rants. I still have more to learn and I’ll continue to contribute whatever little bit I can.
@Pukekonz…
I would trust Phil. He knows his stuff and is on the ACA advisory board. But each has to decide who they can trust on their own.
@Em..
Sorry for the tardy congratulations on the success. In this case a divorce is way better than a marriage! I am sure that CLN will be framed and hung with pride. America’s loss.
@Em, congratulations to your hubby. Must be great to have it finally approved. Continue the celebrations over the weekend before thinking about the tax stuff. It can certainly wait that long.
Pukekonz…. Petros (Peter Dunn) stated publicly he would not file FBARs. They are going to receive zillions of these things. They wouldn’t know what to do with yours. You are free. Don’t bother.
Hi, I’m late to this game, but have read a huge number of these posts. Please correct me if I’m in wrong area for these questions.
I have been in Canada since ’92, citizen since ’98. I made the error of getting a US Passport after border issue in ’08 also foolishly registered kids at that time. I haven’t earned income since ’99. Unfortunately, have had joint accts. with my husband that at times had significant $ in them. All household $ earned by non-American Canadian in Canada, but apparently this is irrelevant. I have removed my name from all joint accts including daily checking. I now only have an RRSP and an RESP.
So, now the questions. With FATCA will banks only give current info or will they give previous years info as well?
If this were your situation would you go to an accoutant and have 6 years of back taxes filed officially and then renounce? (ignoring FBAR) (In the US you are not required to file at all if you make less than $3500.00/year)
Or would you choose another option?
Is now a good time to do this or should I hold off?
Thank you
@ June Cleaver
Welcome to Brock!
The Con’s IGA says that the banks are not supposed to file reports on RRSPs and RESPs so if that is all you have then you should be okay in that area. If they can’t tell, then only you can tell.
It’s my understanding that the first bank FATCA reports (the IRS has a form number for everything but I don’t know what these are going to be called) are going to the CRA to the IRS to who knows how many ABC…XYZ US agencies in 2015 and the reports begin after June 30th. At least I hope I’m right about that. I don’t see how they can make things retroactive to a time when FATCA was not in effect. If this is wrong I’m sure somebody here will correct it.
I’m not the best one here for advice so I just hope that little bit helps a little bit.
Like AtticusinCanada, I filed for relinquishment in September (Toronto) and am still waiting on the CLN. I haven’t tried calling the above number in Washington/DoS and don’t know if it will do any good to try. Do you actually get to talk to anyone? Hard to believe in this day and age.
They really need to devolve this authority to the consulates. It shouldn’t be that hard to determine if someone ‘intends to lose’ citizenship if said someone is providing you a verbal affirmative and giving you signed papers to that effect, let alone if said person’s statement is later published by the BBC world news site into the bargain.
More ambiguous cases or formal appeals, I can understand sending it to D.C.
@michael putman
I went to Toronto US Counsel July 2013 for my relinquishment CLN. I received it last month. You should be getting yours in a couple months. They told me 4 months last July.
@june cleaver
Welcome to Brock. I found it 2 years ago and found support and priceless info that helped me in pursuing and getting my CLN. I am still staying on the Brock bus and support the charter challenge.
@All
I have been thinking of sending a copy of my CLN to CRA. What do you all think if this is wise? I can not find a phone number that I can actually speak to CRA.