Relinquishment and Renunciation Data (as reported on Isaac Brock), Part 2
US RELINQUISHMENT RENUNCIATION.m2
Above is a link to data we are compiling on Relinquishments and Renunciations — a work in progress.
(We are starting Part 2 as Part 1 has now over 1,000 comments.) Link to “Relinquishment and Renunciation Data (as reported on Isaac Brock), Part 1”
This Relinquishment and Renunciation database corresponds with the Consulate Report Directory, which tracks individual experiences for each Consulate, along with a timeline chart.
Note: We are using numbers instead of blog names for this public posting so there will be no compromise of private information. Your facts will help give a snapshot of relinquishment and renunciation activity and where that occurs.
Please submit information in the comments below (or someone can contact you privately if you leave a message).
This database and the Consulate Report Directory have proven valuable resources for those new to the subject of relinquishment and renunciation. They can see numbers for and read others’ experiences of relinquishment or renunciation at various US consulates throughout the world — as reported by participants of the Isaac Brock site.
Thanks for your addition to the Relinquishment and Renunciation database. Your input will definitely help others.
@Calgary411, Thank you, yes fingers crosses and also toes!
@Saddened123
I went to the Toronto Consulate in July 2013. I called this month and was told could be a year or more. They must have a lot of volumne.
northernstar,
You might try inquiring at the Department of State in Washington, DC, as a further step to find out about yours. I think that might be what was done by saddened’s accountant and what some others have previously done.
Calgary411
I emailed…would that be from them ?
@northernstar — do you mean you emailed Washington, DC? If so, you might follow up with a phone call. If not, this previously was a comment from Pacifica. You might try calling the Washington, DC phone number below as your next step. Can’t hurt to try that.
Acting Director of CA/OCS/ACS may have changed since the time of Pacifica’s comment to someone else.
@northernstar, I know one of the Brocker’s sent there 8854 in before getting there CLN and it turned out fine. But I am nervous about doing that, one minute I think I am just sending it in and then the next minute I think I better wait. I just hope that the accountant filed for a extension for me, and does not forget. I just worry too much! I am just so fed up with it all!
saddened,
Make sure that accountant sent an extension in for you — and get a copy of the form he/she submitted for an extension of your required forms. You are paying for that. I think it is very important and you don’t want something to have fallen between the cracks.
@Calgary411, Thanks that is a great idea! I will do that!
@ NorthernStar and Calgary,
For Canada, the CLNs are handled by the Western Hemisphere Division of CA/OCS/ACS (Consular Affairs/Overseas Citizen Services/American Citizen Services).
The Western Hemisphere Division Chief is Clay Adler at 202-485-6289.
The Director of CA/OCS/ACS is now Brendan O’Brien at 202-485-6234.
Thanks for the update on that information, pacifica.
For those who have done taxes, what’s better the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion or the Foreign Tax Credit? I’m wondering if the latter would be preferable for me b/c I received EI, which is not “earned” in the eyes of the US (I presume), but still payed Canadian taxes on it.
@Stressed. You take the FEIE on earned income, up to the limit, and you distinguish between earned and unearned income and take a tax credit on that. I had to submit revised returns in order to do that. If you have interest on any accounts, that goes on 1040 schedule B, and you tick the box on that form to say you have foreign accounts. Those get reported on your FBARs. For Canada, there are probably other rules, but those are a couple of the basics. If Canada taxes your earned income, you can take a tax credit on that, and probably on the amount above the FEIE, if that’s your case. Not my situation, so the question didn’t come up. Good luck with all that!
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I have been reading here for a long time but have never been courageous enough to comment.
My brother and I, born in Canada to American parents, attended at the U.S. consulate in Toronto on August 8, 2013 to renounce our citizenship.
Our consulate appointments were one after the other.
We each lived in the U.S. for about a year as children, but otherwise have both resided in Canada all our lives. Each of us has been filing U.S. tax returns and other forms for the past several years with no tax due, so we should be free and clear.
A month after our appearance at the consulate, my brother received his CLN in the mail. I have not heard anything.
I can’t help but be concerned. How would I know if my certificate has become lost or misdirected in the mail? Do I continue to file my U.S. returns and forms for the full 2013 taxation year? What if the CLN never arrives? My only documentation is the receipt for the $450 fee paid to the consulate. I see here that “@saddened123” has been told it could be a year before receiving the CLN.
Any advice or suggestions? It’s hard not to worry.
Burberry, it appears to me that you have very little to worry about. You are a Canadian born in Canada. Unless you have previously told your bank(s) that you were a US citizen, they have no (and will never have) any US indicia on you. With your Canadian place of birth you look like any other Canadian unaffected by FATCA. In addition, you are no longer a US citizen – you have renounced. If you bank has previous records of your US citizenship (which seems unlikely) show them the renunciation receipt until your CLN arrives. Or, close the account and open a new account at a different bank or credit union.
I think that FATCA will not affect you at all. If you have fulfilled the past 5 years of tax filings I would think that you don’t need to file any more US tax returns. As a dual citizen from birth who has lived almost your whole life in Canada you appear to meet the requirements to be exempt from the expatriation tax.
Others here know much more about filing US taxes than I do. However, to me, you look to be in great shape.
@ Burberry
First of all I hope you have been a bit of a squeaky wheel by phoning or e-mailing the consulate to ask what is happening with your CLN and can they do anything at all to help you. You can file for an extension on your 2013 1040 (which should be a partial once you have a CLN in hand) to buy some time. You could file a FBAR (now FinCEN 114) for the whole of 2013 and be sure to get that in on time. I’ve read that others have done this because it’s just as easy as a partial and the new FinCEN 114’s are supposedly e-file only so nobody knows how to indicate they are a partial anyway. And yes, I truly understand your worry. So sorry there appears to be a glitch with your CLN. May I ask which consulate you and your brother attended?
@Burberry, don’t worry, this happens a lot and doesn’t affect your non-US status. There is no reason why your CLN wouldn’t be approved so you are a Canadian only as of 8th August 2013.
You need to file partial returns for 2013 working on your renunciation date as the cut-off point. As Em says, if you want to ask for an extension for the 1040 you can, but FBAR’s must be filed by the end of June this year with no extensions possible – and they can only be filed electronically now. You also need to file an 8854 form by 15th June to wrap up your final tax filings.
Check with the embassy/consulate you went to and see what they say about your CLN. If they can’t give you a satisfactory answer then contact the State Department direct as all CLN’s go there for final approval.
@”contact the State Department direct as all CLN’s go there for final approval.” I have already done this by phone and the number is constantly busy with no possibility to leave a message. The consulate I renounced at says they have no idea why it is taking so long (8 months) so I will file the final 1040s by June as well as the 8854. I have already e-filed the Fbars, that went smoothly. There is only just so much I can do, and it appears that my straightforward renounciation is stranded somewhere at the State Dept. The consulate has confirmed that they received a message from State Dept., saying all papers were correctly received months ago, but the forms were not finally processed. I am certain the CLN will eventually turn up, but no point in applying for extra extensions when I am not the cause of the delay.
@Mr. A, @Em, @MedeaFleecestealer, thank you. I appreciate all the reassurances but I’m afraid I’ll continue to be concerned until I see that CLN in the mailbox. @Em, the consulate we renounced at was the Toronto consulate.
I will have to speak with my accountant about my filings this year.
Renouncing my US Citizenship in Israel, Parts 1, 2 and 3
To quote Martin Luther King, “free at last, free at last” as of around 9:35 this morning Brussels time. What a relief!
@Jane Doe belge, congratulations on your new freedom!
Thanks, Innocente! I couldn’t have done it without the support I found from all of you here at ISB.
@Jane Doe belge, Congratulations! Yeah, we do tend to remember right down to the minute we did the deed.