Relinquishment and Renunciation Data (as reported on Isaac Brock), Part 2
US RELINQUISHMENT RENUNCIATION.m2
Above is a link to data we are compiling on Relinquishments and Renunciations — a work in progress.
(We are starting Part 2 as Part 1 has now over 1,000 comments.) Link to “Relinquishment and Renunciation Data (as reported on Isaac Brock), Part 1”
This Relinquishment and Renunciation database corresponds with the Consulate Report Directory, which tracks individual experiences for each Consulate, along with a timeline chart.
Note: We are using numbers instead of blog names for this public posting so there will be no compromise of private information. Your facts will help give a snapshot of relinquishment and renunciation activity and where that occurs.
Please submit information in the comments below (or someone can contact you privately if you leave a message).
This database and the Consulate Report Directory have proven valuable resources for those new to the subject of relinquishment and renunciation. They can see numbers for and read others’ experiences of relinquishment or renunciation at various US consulates throughout the world — as reported by participants of the Isaac Brock site.
Thanks for your addition to the Relinquishment and Renunciation database. Your input will definitely help others.
@ Worried
You might want to try phoning or writing one of these people.
Edward Betancourt
Director, Office of Legal Affairs
202-485-6180
10th Floor SA-17A
2201C Street NW
Washington
DC 20520
Clay Adler
Chief, Western Hemisphere Division
Office of American Citizens Services
202-485-6289
10 Floor SA-17
2201 C Street NW
Washington
DC 20520
Thank you kindly. I found this email address and forwarded my query. Will advise if and when I receive answers.
info@acslaw.org
Thanks, looked, what specifically am I looking for in the link. Thanks
@worried…
As I said…keeping it simple….Canadian Army is a Federal Government employment…therefore section 4A or 4B would suffice…
(4)–(A) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof after attaining the age of eighteen years, if he has or acquires the nationality of such foreign state; or (B) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof after attaining the age of eighteen years, for which office, post, or employment an oath, affirmation, or declaration of allegiance is required;
@ Worried,
Thanks for the email address.
Thank you – copied and pasted….
@worried –
With all due respect to the OMG moment (people who’ve been on IBS for a while will know what I mean), this is a really simple relinquishment. You don’t need multiple overlapping expatriating acts, though it doesn’t do any harm.
I would:
1) apply for a relinquishent based on the earliest of your potentially expatriating acts, which is your naturalzation
2) mention your military and police service in your DS4079.
3) hand them the paperwork and call it good
I really don’t think it’s more complicated than that.
Agreed, I am an easy solution even though I did have the OMG moment last night when this all came to light for the first time. I have great empathy for all who are struggling with the ramifications of this upcoming policy. I thank you all for your assistance.
@worried..
You would be good on We Are a MYTH..
http://we-are-not-a-myth.tumblr.com/
.You don’t have to show your face. .Your circumstances of accidental birth and what the US Counsel in Ottawa told you about your Canadian military service not being considered relinquishing your US citizenship is mind boggling.
How does this new law affect snowbirds from Canada visiting for extended periods of time. I have had some Veterans asking.
@ Worried,
Here are some threads about it:
http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2013/11/22/kiwiv-and-royberg1-explains-how-cdn-snowbirds-can-be-subject-to-cdn-departure-tax-and-irs-taxes-fbar-and-fatca/
http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2013/10/13/another-chapter-in-the-canadian-snowbird-saga/
http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2013/09/08/national-post-offers-some-good-sense-advice-to-snowbirds/
http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2013/06/03/canadian-snowbirds-could-face-us-tax-servitude/
http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2013/04/07/canadian-snowbirds-dont-be-sitting-ducks-for-the-irs/
http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2011/12/29/fatca-it-will-adversely-affect-snowbird-and-other-canadian-investment-in-florida-arizona-and-other-usa-winter-retreats/
thanks.
Medea –
“Parts_Unknown, then he should be able to apply for relinquishment backdated to 2009. However, this won’t absolve him from needing to file back taxes unfortunately. The RESP may need to be reported if your partner has signatory rights to it, but hopefully someone based in Canada can confirm or deny that. I’m based in Switzerland so am not up on Canadian reporting requirements.”
The RESP was created in 2013 and my partner is the administrator. My partner also has RRSPs which were created after taking the oath. I wonder about my partner’s government provided pension, is that up for grabs by our “friends” in the US ?
@Parts_Unknown, it could be. I know some foreign pension schemes aren’t exempted from US tax reporting, but whether that would include your partner’s I don’t know.
Pacifica777, Petros, anyone else Canada based, any insights into this side of things for Parts_Unknown? I know there’s info here on the site about it, but as it doesn’t affect me I haven’t kept up to date on what may or may not be exempted.
@Parts_Unknown, I just spotted this link over on the righthand side of the website so maybe this will help you with more info:
http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/rrsps-rdsps-resps-tfsas/
@MedeaFleecestealer and Parts_Unknown,
Sorry, I don’t know much at all about tax issues, but someone/s else quite likely will.
thanks medea
You know, if this wasn’t so maddening it would almost be comical. For all their bluster about freedom this, anti taxation/communism that, they sure are overreaching an awful lot on this.
Reminds me of the scene in Young Guns 2 when Billy the Kid shows up at John Chisolm’s house insisting Chisolm owed him for not taking his cattle.
Parts_unknown,
FATCA:
Excellent analogy that even I can understand! US common sense has long ago gone out of the window.
@Parts_Unknown, it’s their own fault for not enforcing the law properly for decades. The actual law about Americans needing to file tax returns no matter where they live has been around since the Civil War times. But it’s only in the last ten years or so that they’ve started to enforce it, probably due to the ever increasing black hole they call their budget. There was certainly no mention of needing to file when my mother and I left the States back in the 60s. FATCA has just made the whole situation worse by assuming that anyone with a foreign account is automatically a tax cheat, never mind that there are thousands of us who didn’t know they needed to file in the first place.
The fact that thousands of government employees are also delinquent in their tax payments, including many IRS employees themselves, should in my mind be a sackable offence. But if they did that the whole tax system would collapse for lack of enough bodies to make it work. Heck, the whole government structure would probably collapse.
It’s worth remembering that in that era income tax applied only to quite wealthy people – there was no notion of Americans of ordinary means living outside the country filing tax returns. .
Great point broken man. And as Petros calculated, a reportable FBAR would be around $60k today if it had been adjusted to inflation!
@Broken man, very true and I suspect an attitude that still prevails today. Most Americans still can’t afford to go outside the States so any citizen that can must be wealthy and, if having a foreign bank account, must be evading taxes.
@ pacifica777
I see the counter at the bottom of the page has recorded over 6 million hits at Brock but as an admin. do you happen to know how many actual posts and comments are here? And maybe how many different people have contributed to the comments? I think newbies would be amazed and maybe overwhelmed by the size of this site. Anyway, just wondering …
@ Em,
We’ve had 2,319 posts and 67,759 comments. We started in December (12th I think) 2011.
We’ve had viewers from 185 countries.
I don’t see a number of how many people have contributed to comments — that would be interesting too — so, I’ll take a look, or perhaps one of the other admins might find it.
@Pacifica
Fascinating info – thank you! Should a running tally appear on the homepage, to demonstrate the global reach of concern about and interest in these problematic US policies and practices?