Consulate Report Directory (Brockers Describe their Consulate Meetings) and CLN Delivery Time Chart Part 2
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Wonder what really happens at the consulates? Find out in the Isaac Brock Society’s Consulate Report Directory, currently 279 pages of first-hand accounts of renunciation/relinquishment appointments, arranged by consulate location, along with further information and links to the required Dept of State forms and the Dept of State manuals used by the consulates in processing CLN applications, with an appendix containing a timeline chart (booking-meeting-CLN) as reported by consulate location.
The Directory is updated as consulate visit stories are posted on the website.
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Thanks to everyone for sharing your experiences…and keep ’em coming! It’s a new experience for everyone and your information is really helpful.
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Notes:
Consulates are listed alphabetically by country and the Directory’s table of contents links to each section (they don’t look like links, but they are.)
This thread is a continuation of Consulate Report Directory Part 1, which contains earlier discussion on this topic, 929 comments from its inception in March 2012 through February 2013.
To Book an Appointment and/or Request Information from your Local Consulate:
This post by Eric, Almost No US Citizenship Renunciation Appointments Left During 2016 in Dublin, contains a chart of links to the consulates’ website pages on renunciation/relinquishment, for info on booking appointments and/or requesting information at your location. (The title highlights Dublin, but the charts, article and discussion cover consulates around the world.)
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According to the latest news reports, looks like a US government shutdown is inevitable and could happen as soon as Tuesday. What effect this this will have on renunciation appointments, processing of loss of nationality documents, FATCA IGAs, FATCA implementation, etc is anybody’s guess!
I have to think that Canadian negotiators on a FATCA IGA will take advantage of this chaos. The team sent in for this kind of deal likely includes skilled, shrewd negotiators.
When the US team is distracted and divided with a fight on their own bench, will the Canadian team:
– hold back politely to enable them to regroup
or
– push harder to take advantage?
“The House of Representatives early Sunday voted for an emergency spending bill that includes a delay of President Barack Obama’s healthcare reform laws despite veto threats from the White House. While a deal could be reached before the government’s fiscal year ends at midnight on Monday, the unanimous passage of a bill to continue paying US soldiers in the event the government runs out of money was viewed as a sign that there would be no agreement between Republicans, who hold a majority in the House, and the Democrats, who control the White House and Senate.”
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/markets-preparing-for-us-government-shutdown-20130930-2un19.html#ixzz2gK8odLjM
One thing seems certain; the faith of investors in US markets and US government debt will be severely tested. Even if a last-minute deal to avoid a government shutdown is reached, there’s a second Washington cliffhanger as Congress must agree to increase the $16.7 trillion ($17.9 trillion) limit on federal borrowing by October 17. If Congress and the White House remain too dysfunctional and divided to act in time, the United States could default on its debts.
The U.S. has to continue to borrow money to pay off existing debt as it matures. It’s like using cash advances on new charge cards to make payments on old charge cards. So hitting the debt means not just being unable to borrow more, it also includes defaulting on existing debts.
@Calgary411, Thanks again for all your support, I appreciate your kindness during this nightmare.. I relinquished my US Citizenship on my Birthday, I was Born in US on Sept. 19th, so I decided to leave the US on Sept 19th..What a great birthday present for me!!
Now it is time to get rid of Saddened and to be HappyCanadianOnly!!
Thanks so much for your report, Saddened! Glad all went well. Wow, it’s been a long time since this started. So nice to have wrapped it up in a pleasant environment like Toronto. And now you can move on with your life! Hope your CLN comes soon!
@ saddened123
What a perfect date to leave. Congratulations! You seem to have gotten your appointment in Toronto very quickly. I hope my husband does too in Calgary. With our luck though we’ll be driving to Calgary in a January blizzard.
I renounced my US citizenship at the US Consulate in Toronto yesterday, Oct 15. I was born in Canada and have been a Canadian citizen since birth. I was also a US citizen because my mother was a US citizen when I was born.
Renouncing was quite straightforward. I arrived at 1:45 PM for a 2:00 PM appointment. I had to wait about 10 minutes before I got into the building despite there not being a queue for US Citizen Services. After security they escorted me to the 3rd floor. I stated my intention to renounce, presented my documents and completed form, then paid the cashier. After waiting about half an hour or so I was called up to affirm the oath and make sure everything was in order. That was it and I was out of the building before 3:00 PM. I do not need a second appointment.
They advised that due to a backlog at Washington it will take 7 to 9 months (!!!) for my CLN to arrive!
I live in Vancouver but could never get an appointment there, so I was able to make one in Toronto to coincide with a Thanksgiving visit to my family.
So now I wait for the CLN.
Ian, thanks for the update. That is terrible news about the lengthy delay for the CLN though.
@ Ian Lipchak
You should have a receipt for your renunciation fee and I’m sure a bank or the border will accept that until you actually receive your CLN. Nevertheless, 7-9 months is a heckuva long time to wait.
I can’t get over the variance in times and results from place to place. For instance, My family and I got our CLNs in 2 weeks from the day we appeared in the embassy in Tel Aviv to relinquish. The embassy officer had told us to expect them in 2 weeks and I thought she was being very optimistic but it turns out she was exactly to the day right.
@yitzi, yes it doesn’t make much sense. They’re supposed to be able to do it in two weeks (there was a thread about it a while back), but the average seems to be nearer 2-3 months. I was told a couple of months when I renounced in Bern earlier this year, but I actually got it in 6 weeks. I can only think it’s down to the numbers of people in each country going through the process, i.e. Canada is going to have many more people doing it than here in Switzerland, and possibly the way the embassies/consulates actually send the applications off to Washington. But that’s only guesses on my part.
@ Medea Fleecestealer
Yes the number of CLNs per country must be related to the time, even though it appears all are processed in Washington regardless of origin.
There are very few renouncements here in Israel. Partly due to the way the US views the process of obtaining Israeli citizenship which makes it very difficult to relinquish. Also, as history proves over the last few thousand years, Jews have a real problem recognizing when it’s time to leave any of their “host” countries.
@Ian,
Thanks for your report. Great that you could work your renunciation appointment into your schedule for visiting your family at Toronto for Thanksgiving.
That’s a drag that they’re saying 7-9 months gap time to get the CLN, as they had made progress on shortening the delay at one point.
It does seem to depend on which zone you’re in, and probably the Western Hemisphere zone is getting more renunciations/relinquishments than Near East and South Central Asia zone. I think as well that in addition to current renunciations/relinquishments, Canada seems to have a sizable “backlog” of people who relinquished years/decades before this current situation, now needing and applying for CLNs, that does not appear to be occurring to such extent in the other four zones. At any rate, a bummer they don’t hire more staff to deal with it. Yeah, I know budget issues and probably not a high priority for them.
At any rate, Em’s advice regarding your receipt as proof should stand you in good stead til the CLN arrives. Shubert writes about border crossing in the interim period in the initial post to this thread at Maple Sandbox as well.
@yitzi :did you have to register in Tel Aviv to relinquish or just drop in?What was the procedure and your preparation?I plan to do the same on T.A.
@ J.N.
I called and made an appointment to relinquish. They sent some forms to fill out. You can get all the forms via links in the consulate report on this website. The 4079 was the most detailed and you must get every answer correct to successfully relinquish or otherwise you will be forced to renounce. I would be glad to help you with more detail outside of this forum.
I don’t wish to post my email address on a public forum. Are you a member of one of the email lists in Israel such as the RBS list or Janglo? If so we can arrange to make contact through one of them. Respond to this forum if you are and we will work out a method.
@yitzi Thanks. I get emails from Janglo,AACI,Esra.although I haven’t joined any activities with them.
@ J.N.
Please make a classified post on Janglo Jerusalem. Then let me know via this forum the title of your post and use the initials J.N. in the body of the post. I will then search for the post and contact you directly since it’s possible to do so via Janglo.
@yitzi A suggestion for Isaac Brock Society: a message option like in facebook for unpublished contact between Brockers.
@ J.N.
I agree an option to contact each other privately off forum where email is not revealed to the public would be a great help. I don’t know who is admin for the Isaac Brock site but it’s a great suggestion.
yitzi and J.N.,
I go in from time to time to remove spam from Isaac Brock. I’ve been here from the beginning. I do have access to your email addresses and I can send an email to one of you, asking permission for me to send your email address on to the other. That is the one option I know of.
That is fine with me.
Thanks very much!
Yitzi
No problem. I’m off to send your email address to J.N., yitzi. That’s great you’ll be able to “talk” to each other offline.
I am itching fo fill out my form 8854 (final statement of exit tax not owed unless your are Bill Gates) but they just have this draft posted for 2013. http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-dft/f8854–dft.pdf
Yitzi and Calgary 411,
The National Security Agency of USA is monitoring email world wide. Any kind of networking activity (email exchanged more than once) is seen as National Security Issue for USA. Do not use email. Phone.
@kermitzii, that’s going to keep them busy for a while then. I should think the majority of e-mails are exchanged more than once so they’ll have gazillions to go through. So long as Yitzi and Calgary411 don’t use any trigger words I should think they’ll be okay with e-mails.
All
I worked for the NSA 40 years ago. I outlived my international travel ban, gag orders and etc. Finally I am a free man again. I have friends and relatives still there. I can tell you the phone is no more secure, every word in any language is recorded and parsed by computers. There is no place to hide. The new Utah data center has enough computer power to sift your emails, forums, and phone calls in real time. Besides, any conversation I am having is of no interest to them. I am offering to help a fellow complete his 4079 correctly and factually. I just wanted to avoid providing my private email address to the world in a open forum I get enough spam email. My concern had nothing to do with the NSA.
@ Medea
The bottomless data bank is almost up and analyzing in Utah except for some pesky electrical surge problems. 😉 However, I won’t curb my curiosity about anything which gets me to closer to the truth or stop my opinionating about that what which I find to be untrue or unjust BUT I do draw the line at sending out too much personal information and that includes my banking details. I only interact with my “bank” face-to-face or by paper. I can’t stop what my “bank” has released or will release electronically but I personally will try not to deposit too many bytes in the NSA data bank. BTW, the list of “trigger words” needs a data bank all its own now it is so long. This comment contains at least one.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/08/nsa-data-centre-utah-electrical-surge