MAJOR Support 4 #RepealFATCA #Americansabroad thnx 2 @RepealFatca @nigeljgreen @GroverNorquist @CFandP @AmerComm https://t.co/BnuZfY0kSM
— Patricia Moon (@nobledreamer16) March 21, 2017
Came across this today: Ways & Means committee members letter
I do not have permission to reproduce in full but here are a few excerpts:
Dear Speaker Ryan, Majority Leader McConnell, Rep. Brady, and Sen. Hatch:
As free-market and taxpayer protection organizations representing millions of Americans,
we urge that repeal of the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA)—a plank in the
2016 Republican Party Platform—be included in any tax reform package sent to the
White House.
Since FATCA’s introduction, Americans living overseas have lost access to their banking
and investment accounts as foreign financial institutions drop clients rightly perceived as
toxic. This has not only impacted the welfare of the estimated nine million Americans
who live and work abroad but hampers small businesses owned and operated by
Americans attempting to compete internationally
FATCA repeal bills will soon be introduced in the House and Senate. We urge the
leadership and committees of jurisdiction to include this vital correction of misguided
enactment of the past administration by including it in any forthcoming tax bill
There is a list of 24 individuals/organizations. I ask any Tweeps to RT like mad to show our appreciation for what they are doing. PERFECT timing for the Rally tomorrow! Perhaps someone could put together an email list for those who do not Tweet.
@RepealFatca
@nigeljgreen
@GroverNorquist
@CFandP
@AmerComm
@RSI
@MarketInstitute
@ismurray
@Andrew_Langer
@limittaxesorg
@C4Liberty
@Lisabnelson
@Protectaxpayers
@NTU
@GLandrith
@60PlusAssoc
@SovereignInvest
@LimitGovt
@FreedomWorks
@tgiovanetti
@KarenKerrigan
I could not find an address I could confirm for either these individuals or orgs:
Jeffrey Mazzella President Center for Individual Freedom
Chuck Muth President Citizen Outreach
Pamela Villarreal National Center for Policy Analysis
Andrew F. Quinlan President Center for Freedom and Prosperity
Grover Norquist President Americans for Tax Reform
Phil Kerpen President American Commitment @AmerComm
Iain Murray Vice President Competitive Enterprise Institute
Andrew Moylan Executive Director R Street Institute
Charles Sauer President The Market Institute
Jeffrey Mazzella President Center for Individual Freedom
Nigel Green and Jim Jatras Co-Leaders Campaign to Repeal FATCA
Pete Sepp President National Taxpayers Union
David Williams President Taxpayers Protection Alliance
George Landrith President and CEO Frontiers of Freedom
Jim Martin Chairman 60 Plus Association
Wayne T. Brough Chief Economist and VP for Research FreedomWorks
Bob Bauman Chairman Sovereign Society Freedom Alliance
Andrew Langer President Institute for Liberty
Lew Uhler President The National Tax Limitation Committee
Chuck Muth President Citizen Outreach
Norman Singleton President Campaign for Liberty
Lisa B. Nelson CEO Jeffersonian Project
Tom Giovanetti President Institute for Policy Innovation
Rick Manning President Americans for Limited Government
Pamela Villarreal Senior Fellow National Center for Policy Analysis
Karen Kerrigan President and CEO Small Business and Entrepreneurship Council
@mjh
I would be joining you if I could. Our situations aren’t the same.
“butt buddies”?
Drop the homophobia. No place for that here.
@Japan T
Then all I can do is wish you good luck, and hope that you can figure out a solution for your situation.
@Nononymous
Really? Homophobia? That’s what you got? Are you trying to falsely assume that all Democrats are gay men, and then falsely calling me out on that? I guess women can’t be Democrats neither, based on the same flawed logic, yes?
LMAO
Do yourself a favour, and drop your ridiculous labels along with the attitude. I’ve endured enough partisan bullshit American hypocrisy in one lifetime.
“butt buddies”?
“Drop the homophobia. No place for that here.”
I’m looking out to left field but can’t see where that came from.
See post on bottom of previous page. The term “butt buddies” is homophobic. A derogatory term for gay, used in a pejorative way, akin to “fag” – nothing complicated about why one might find that offensive. If you want to criticize Democrats on political grounds, use terms that do not denigrate others. Adolescent schoolyard nonsense has no place in adult discourse.
Same place where being butt buddies with my wife, either makes me gay, or a homophobe. It came from the corner of attention seeking nonsense.
It’s a derogatory phrase for describing a certain people of close association, or partnership, political party, etc…. I would surmise that a certain Nononymous took offence of that certain phrase, and tried to make something out of nothing. A Democrat partisan, perhaps?
I am Canadian with no US political affiliations. I don’t disagree with you on the stupidity of US tax rules. But neither of those facts are relevant to the point under dispute.
You need to drop such terms from your vocabulary. They are derogatory towards others. They are in no way related to the tax issue. Using such a phrase does neither you nor your arguments credit, and is no longer acceptable in Canadian society.
Frankly I find it no less offensive than if you’d dropped the n-word in reference to Obama.
WhatAmi thanks for your post about the date of the expatriating act on the CLN. Since we became Canadian citizens in 1974, my husband and I were relieved to read this IBS post, and the quote it contains;
“…if you relinquished your US citizenship before February 6, 1995, you were not required to have informed the State Department.”
In:
http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2011/12/16/did-you-relinquish-before-february-6-1995-then-you-did-not-have-to-inform-the-state-department/
The Isaac Brock Society is a wonderful resource, possibly even life-saving for people under crushing stress and fear following an OMG experience. And I’m still hearing about people just entering this Kafkaesque world, about ‘accidentals’ who never thought about the IRS and wouldn’t have had to pay anything in taxes because of their low income. Some are now being harassed if they try to enter the US without a US passport, or if they’ve gone to Cuba. Repealing FATCA and CBT won’t change that.
“Some are now being harassed if they try to enter the US without a US passport, or if they’ve gone to Cuba.”
Neither of those issues have anything to do with taxation. The crackdown (such as it is) on foreign passports with US birthplace seems to be mostly a consequence of the requirement that came in approximately a decade ago that passports be used when entering the US from Canada (and presumably Mexico as well). And Cuba, well, that’s been weird forever.
@Queenston,
I received my CLN 18 months ago but I’m still here, mainly to continue to give back to the community that helped me. Also I’m keeping aware of new developments because my sister is still trapped.
She was hassled driving into the US a few years ago and told “next time I’m not letting you in”. Like I, she has a US birthplace on her Canadian passport. My claim to government employment was approved, but she was denied relinquishment because she worked on contract, not as an employee, for Canada Post.
We were born in the US to Canadian parents and moved “home” to Canada when we were children. We grew up side-by-side. I’m free and she’s not.
We never talk about the issues but I’m watching for her. She can’t handle it and has tried to purge her mind of it all. Fortunately, her financial institutions haven’t asked her any FATCA-related questions so she’s OK, but has decided not to ever enter the US again (as I had until my CLN was approved).
I’ve been to Cuba a few times in recent years. If you don’t mind, could you give some details about what problem this has caused anybody?
@WhatAmI
If your sister is still a US citizen, then they have to let her in. They can’t refuse her entry. She also has the right to renounce her US citizenship, if they refused to recognize her relinquishment, due to an expatriating act.
I can’t relinquish, neither. That’s okay, because I want to renounce. I want both the CLN in my hand, and my name in the ‘name and shame’ list in the Federal Register,
As for Cuba, if they haven’t stamped your passport, then there is no real way for the US to know you’ve ever travelled there, so I wouldn’t mention it if you were to travel to the USA in the future.
@Queenston
US citizens must enter the US on a US passport. Of course, that doesn’t apply to former US citizens. They enter as foreign nationals, without a right to enter the US.
This is not a taxation issue, but a citizenship and immigration issue.
Legally, US citizens are required to enter the US with a US passport. That’s been law forever, though enforcement was supposedly only stepped up a decade ago. In practice, the authorities don’t seem too diligent on this rule just yet. I’ve crossed maybe 15-20 times in the past 10 years, mostly by air, have always identified myself as a Canadian citizen exclusively and shown a Canadian passport with US birthplace. Only once did I get a (mostly) polite lecture about it, during which I pulled an expired US passport out of my bag, was told to get a new one and use it, and was allowed to continue on my way. Subsequently I’ve continued using the Canadian passport and have had no further trouble, though I’m prepared for the possibility.
I have no idea what the current situation is with respect to Cuba, but for years US citizens were not allowed to visit as tourists, only as part of an organized “cultural exchange” or something like that. A small number of tour companies worked the loophole by organizing holidays with a school visit thrown in, otherwise Americans went to Cuba via Canada or Mexico and the Cuban authorities did not stamp their passports. US citizens returning from Montreal with a glorious tan in the dead of winter were sometimes subject to questioning. (I recall a work contact from New York who was in the process of telling the State Department to stuff it because they were accusing him – quite accurately – of having done just that.)
@Nononymous,
I’m waiting for details from @Queenston. It would be quite bizarre indeed if she said that someone with a Canadian passport showing a US birthplace with a Cuban stamp was hassled about Cuba upon entering the US!
A few years ago the Cuban embassy’s website said something like “…and for our American tourist friends as a courtesy we will NOT stamp your US passport”. More recently I read that Cuba stamps all passports.
“And THAT is supposed to be reasuring!?!!?!?”
No. It’s a reference to the fact that the IRS does not have the ability systematically to request revocation of passports of all non-filing non-US-resident USCs.
All they have to do is look at your phone to know where you’ve been.
The distinction between law applied systematically and law applied opportunistically makes all the difference to non-compliant non-US-resident USCs.
If CBT could be applied systematically we’d all be screwed.
“All they have to do is look at your phone to know where you’ve been.”
Buying that Fidel Castro iPhone case from the beach vendor turns out to have been a dumb idea.
LOL, I’d like one of those
Done!
https://www.zazzle.ca/fidel_castro_iphone_5_cases-179839228484235532
I felt a little better about the $2350 fee for the certificate of loss of citizenship when I calculated it was the same as two-years worth of my Social Security retirement benefits.
It felt good last week when I mailed our 2016 dual-status tax filings i.e. separate 1040NR returns covering the last part of 2016, with a 1040 statement (married filing jointly) for the first part of 2016 attached to each return, one 8854 with my return, a separate 8854 copy sent to Phildelphia; FINCEN reports were done earlier. Bottom line as usual zero tax. Much later In the year I’ll go online for request a transcript to confirm they cranked the numbers into their machine. Very happy on the surface but deep down I think there are remants from years of uncertainty; The other night I dreamed I got a bill for $75000 because something was wrong.
@iota
“The distinction between law applied systematically and law applied opportunistically makes all the difference to non-compliant non-US-resident USCs.”
As a group? Yes. Individually? No.
A group can collectively see if the law is applied systematically, or if it’s just the juicy targets being picked off.
As for myself, it’s simply sauve qui peut, because I don’t want to be targeted.
No matter what, we’re all playing the odds for being non-compliant, or being placed in a position where we have to choose compliance, or looking out for families, and then choosing our families.
@iota
“And THAT is supposed to be reasuring!?!!?!?”
No. It’s a reference to the fact that the IRS does not have the ability systematically to request revocation of passports of all non-filing non-US-resident USCs.
The distinction between law applied systematically and law applied opportunistically makes all the difference to non-compliant non-US-resident USCs.
If CBT could be applied systematically we’d all be screwed.
You don’t think that they are working on that very thing, making CBT systematically applicable? They have ven ststed recently that the real purpose of FATCA is to bering all of us back into compliance.
It is dirt simple to do. Just have a computer match the list of tax returns received with the list they compile from FATCA data and they know where to start. If they skip required steps before issuing ‘requests’ to the State Dept. to revoke passports, then it gets real fun real quick. Not like they haven’t skip stepe before, increasing the renounciation and relinquishing fees with the legally required impact studies and public notification and comment period, are a couple of examples.
Systematically applying CBT is THE goal they are working towards.
Indeed!
I agree with Japan T. Just because they can’t systematically apply CBT on the expats right now, we would be kidding ourselves to believe that this is not their goal. Wanna be reactive? Or proactive?
We could think of FATCA as a test run in this case, a trial balloon if you will, to see if they can get the foreign banks to rat out US persons with $10,000 or more in the bank. Who’s to say that later on, they couldn’t get foreign banks to present IRS forms to ALL US persons, and get foreign governments to agree to letting their accounts getting hosed at will by the IRS, for what they think they’re owed? (just like back home) Think banking lockout is bad now?
Welcome to your Financial Berlin Wall 2.0. Oh fun! 🙁
Hey! I didn’t think that things like FATCA would even be possible, until I took the red pill, stepped outside, and realized that it was already going on for two years!