This post ends with the following question:
Are Americans really “so beaten down, so subservient, so fearful of authority that it complies with the most horrific and undemocratic “laws” and is unable to unite and simply say NO, collectively.”
I invite you to express your answer in this poll:
Perhaps you could consider this question while reading the following post.
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Re: US Tyranny and Terrorany "People are developing resistance and figuring out there is not much the U.S. can do." https://t.co/Vakr3uya4g
— U.S. Citizen Abroad (@USCitizenAbroad) December 3, 2015
The above tweet references the following comment from @Homelander_NOT on Robert Wood’s blog.
Yet another punitive measure that will further the creation of a US Berlin wall plus make life more complicated for Americans/”U.S. Persons” abroad. Other recent moves which demonstrate the tendency of the U.S. government to repeatedly “do the wrong thing:” ” Is US considering not publishing #USExpatriation list anymore? If yes, efficiency or embarrassment?” https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2015/12/01/2015-30366/proposed-collection-comment-request-for-information-collection … (not at all sure that is what implied by this tweet I received) and Executor liability for U.S. income tax and penalties, interest, etc., may extend to you if you were aware that the decedent owed the U.S. treasury for say tax from unfiled tax returns.http://www.taxconnections.com/taxblog/good-to-know-part-3-from-larry-stolberg-cpa-ca/#.Vl79_PmrTIV . For such an “ advanced” nation, the U.S. seems not to understand basic psychology. The more one tries to restrict somebody, the more they are likely to be resisted. If it is true the Name & Shame List’s days are numbered, it won’t be of any consequence. Who reads the Federal Register anyway? Personally, I could care less if they kept an ongoing list published in the NYT and like many, consider it a badge of honor. Proof of being a ‘real’ American if you will. And more nonsense/confusion for an executor (really? even an “alien one? Just how would they enforce that?). Or is it more along the lines that no one can even imagine someone having the gall to not obey the exceptionalistic conditioning that can only be dumped by experiencing the rest of the world? It is a well-documented problem that the IRS does not have records for expats; even with FATCA there are likely to be many pieces of undeliverable mail. Yes the IRS cares not and will continue to follow their own procedures. I expect thousands upon thousands to simply ignore those letters. People are developing resistance and figuring out there is not much the U.S. can do. Other than count on the fact that such folks will surely want to come to the U.S. so “we’ll get them at the border.” Lots of people are figuring out the better choice is simply to go elsewhere for vacations and have family visits where the expat families are. All of this is pathetically sad. All this grief for insistence on filing forms to show there is likely no tax owed-when everyone KNOWS its the big fish living in the U.S.that all this effort should be expended toward. Again, such a very basic, basic thing that eludes those running the most dominant, most fortunate country on earth. I remain puzzled that this is what has happened to the country I grew up in and in spite of awareness of its many flaws, still loved until FBAR.
It’s interesting that the recent linking of passport restrictions to tax compliance has received little discussion at the Isaac Brock Society. To me, this suggests that Brock is largely populated by those who:
1. Do NOT consider themselves to be U.S. citizens (meaning they don’t care about a U.S. passport anyway); and
2. Are primarily concerned with the effects of U.S. extraterritorial tyranny and U.S. terrorany on Canadian citizens.
It’s the opposite in Europe where the Facebook groups (at least here and here) have included much discussion about the upcoming passport restrictions. The usual lobby groups, have done their usual letter writing, with the usual response (nothing) from the USA.
U.S. citizenship and the U.S. passport …
The State Department takes the position that a U.S. passport is proof of U.S. citizenship. It is an “incident of U.S. citizenship”. What is the meaning of U.S. citizenship? What does it mean when one holds a U.S. passport?
Bubblebustin recently asked the following question:
@USCitizenAbroad
Isn’t the current Congressional enforcement of CBT in fact resulting in the destruction of US citizenship we are seeing today, the justification for these laws derived from the notion that citizenship is based in taxation, or, “Taxation-Based Citizenship”?
Congress has turned what it means to be a citizen on its head, the result of which is that the citizen becomes the servant of the government, as opposed to the reverse. CBT is like a splinter that until now one could ignore, but because of irritating acts of Congress is now festering to the point of becoming life threatening. Unfortunately because citizenship and taxation are intertwined as such (Cook v Tait) the citizen must remove him/herself from the splinter instead.
Are we dealing with “citizenship-based taxation” or with “taxation-based citizenship”?
Since the 2004 creation of the “Tax Citizen” (as described by Virgina La Torre Jeker), U.S. citizenship and taxation have become one and the same. Taxation = citizenship and citizenship = taxation (without specifying the “incidents of taxation”).
The new meaning of U.S. citizenship – Taxation isn’t everything, it’s the only thing
In 2013, U.S. tax lawyer, Stephen Mopsick opined (while acknowledging the problems of FATCA) on the meaning of U.S. citizenship. On June 30, 2014 (largely in response to his post) I wrote the following post on Brock.
July 4 Reflection: Meaning of "Being an American" vs. "Being one of those #Americansabroad" https://t.co/d3tAQemx0N via @@IsaacBrockSoc
— U.S. Citizen Abroad (@USCitizenAbroad) December 3, 2015
It included:
As we approach the 4th of July – Independence Day – one must ask whether the there is a difference between “Being an American” and “Being an American Abroad”. Another year has passed.
– the formal relinquishments of U.S. citizenship continue to grow
– the informal relinquishments of U.S. citizenship (run and hide) are going through the roof
– the rollout of “FATCA Hunt” is forcing Americans abroad to hide their “USness”
– the U.S. Congress has shown no interest in freeing Americans abroad from the “prison of citizenship-based taxation” – AKA taxation based on place of birth
Tomorrow July 1, 2014 marks the Official start of FATCA Hunt.
As Americans abroad contemplating the arrival of Independence Day:
What are your thoughts on the MEANING of being an American abroad?
What message would you like to send to America this Independence Day?
I encourage you to go and reread the comments to this post.
Leading to: The role of the passport in “facilitating” “taxation-based citizenship” …
A. History of the control of movement through the passport
U.S. Passport as Instrument of Control https://t.co/d0iP8nvkRS – History of the use of the passport as an instrument to prevent travel
— U.S. Citizen Abroad (@USCitizenAbroad) December 3, 2015
The above tweet references a Brock post from USXCanada. It includes:
The extraordinary Mrs. Shipley: how the United States controlled international travel before the age of terrorism
Connecticut Law Review 43:3 (Feb 2011) 819-888http://uconn.lawreviewnetwork.com/files/documents/JeffreyKahn43Conn.L.Rev.819.pdf
[389 footnotes] Career civil servant Ruth B. Shipley acted as chief of the Passport Division of the U.S. State Department from 1928 to 1955. Shipley personally reviewed every passport application, and prior to 1958 Supreme Court decision, her actions were subject to no judicial review. Shipley denied passports to Paul Robeson, Arthur Miller, Linus Pauling, and “many other” Americans during the 1950s. Kahn’s article explores how Shipley acquired such power and how the US passport became an instrument to prevent rather than permit travel. A backgrounder opening (825-842) provides a history of travel controls from 1789 to the Shipley era. Originally the passport was “a document [issued by the country that the traveler sought to enter] that granted a foreigner permission to pass into or out of a country’s ports” (825) — the opposite of what the passport came to be. Kahn concludes that current administration of U.S. citizens has achieved the Shipley effect through authority “diffused among intelligence analysts in multiple agencies who now compile watchlists of people deemed too dangerous to travel.” In this environment, judicial review is crippled by “the traditional deference accorded to national security and the sometimes secret processes by which that government interest is secured” (887).
B. The passport application as a means to notify U.S. Treasury of the existence of Americans abroad
There is NO DOUBT that that passports are now linked to tax compliance. For the past several years it has been common knowledge that passport applications and renewals were being used to notify U.S. treasury of the existence of Americans Abroad (as discussed in this post by MopsickTaxLaw). Until now, the passport application has been used to notify U.S. Treasury of your existence. That was then. Now as discussed by Rober Wood and others , the IRS can “in effect” deny you a U.S. passport.
C. The denial of a U.S. passport to those (including Americans abroad) who “owe” U.S. taxes
Americans abroad are the most likely to be affected by these incredibly punitive measures. Most Americans abroad are in a position where they:
1. Don’t know they are required to pay U.S. taxes; or
2. Can’t understand the rules they are asked to comply with.
Because the Internal Revenue Code penalized all things “foreign”, Americans abroad are particularly susceptible to penalties and IRS tax debts. The effect of this measure is that eventually (we all know how things get worse and worse) many Americans abroad will be denied U.S. passports. This means that they can’t travel to the USA (as is required by law) on a U.S. passport. Perhaps they can risk travel on another passport.
At a bare minimum, it is very risky for a U.S. citizen to live outside the United States if he/she has ONLY a U.S. passport.
Conclusion: The future of U.S. citizenship abroad …
It’s over. U.S. citizenship citizenship is now synonymous with taxation. Taxation is a code of taxes, reporting requirements and rules of life control that:
1. Cannot be understood by the average person (except with the assistance of “tax professionals” of questionable competence); or
2. Is of a level of complexity that compliance is almost impossible; or
3. Is such those who can comply will find that U.S. tax compliance makes living life outside the United States impossible.
And now, the Government of the United States – that “Great Citadel of Freedom and Justice” claims the right to deny you the right to travel from or to the United States. Seems to me that you can either (1) realize that compliance is impossible or (2) take whatever steps are necessary to renounce.
The true Obama Legacy is the destruction of “U.S. citizenship abroad”. Of course, that’s change you can believe in!
The teaching of Cook v. Tait is that the U.S. Government somehow benefits its citizens wherever they may be. That was in the era of “citizenship-based taxation”. In new era of “taxation-based citizenship”, it has become clear that the sole purpose of the citizen is to benefit the government.
The question is: why have Americans allowed this to happen? Why has there been no resistance?
"What astonishes all of my “foreign” friends is how passive, obedient and fearful US people are of their government" https://t.co/1Lfa7lI5fu
— U.S. Citizen Abroad (@USCitizenAbroad) December 3, 2015
The above tweet references the following comment from the Maplesandbox blog.
As a former U.S. citizen, who renounced just in order to survive, as my four non-U.S. business partners gave me an ultimatum, either get rid of your U.S. citizenship, which was contaminating our totally German business and subjecting our company’s accounts to U.S. Treasury and IRS scrutiny, or you must sell your shares and leave. This all started upon the advice of our German bank, who said that they wouldn’t deal with our accounts if there was any American/’U.S. Person’ involvement? Not to mention the personal impact on my mortgage, on my bank closing all of my investment accounts and everything else that every reader here knows all too well.
What amazes me most, and also amazes all of my personal and professional friends, all of them non U.S. persons, is how obedient and conforming the organizations supposedly representing the interests of U.S. citizens abroad are. With all that has happened, and especially now, subsequent to the Senate Finance Committee’s “report” on tax reform, paying nothing but contemptuous lip service to the plight of US citizens abroad, it should be more than obvious that U.S. Citizens abroad are of absolutely no relevance for lawmakers and legislators in Washington. Yet, the attitude of all of the organizations supposedly looking out for and fighting for the rights of US citizens abroad has been to follow a very respectful path of presenting the case for change, as if they were dealing with a fair democratic system, that respects equal representation and justice. They look ridiculous, all of them! When I read that Democrats Abroad have been trying to push the “bandage” fix of ‘Same Country Exception’ for more than four years, with no result, I say that this is absolutely pathetic. When I see American Citizens Abroad sending endless delegations to Washington, year after year, and even opening an office there, only to see the interests of overseas Americans relegated to a footnote, with no action proposed n the recent Senate Financial Committee report, I would think that they should be embarrassed and ashamed, as they should be. It has taken the group Republicans Overseas over one year to formulate an intended lawsuit, which has been postponed endless times, with a “promise” to file it next week, I say that they too have not approached this in the right way. Too much damage has been done in the interim.
What astonishes all of my “foreign” friends is how passive, obedient and fearful U.S. people are of their government, especially when confronted with such outright injustice, literal extortion and destruction of their financial well being and that of their families and business partners. Even the ever law abiding Germans wouldn’t put up with any of this and they would probably, en masse, as one lawyer friend told me, simply refuse to cooperate with any of this Byzantine filing of forms and endless intrusions into their privacy and that of their families and business partners. They would collectively refuse and file class action suits against the authorities behind these injustices worthy of a fascist totalitarian regime. Perhaps the Germans understand better than the Americans what this sort of thing leads to, when a society becomes so beaten down, so subservient, so fearful of authority that it complies with the most horrific and undemocratic “laws” and is unable to unite and simply say NO, collectively. Until Americans fight to recover some form of democracy and fairness, the ravages of FATCA will be but one in a coming litany of similar such abuses. To continue believing that they are dealing with democratic institutions and that reason and fairness will prevail is nothing but a naive attitude that will lead them nowhere, as we can now see with the recent Senate Finance Committee report.
I have bolded the last paragraph of this comment. Are Americans really “so beaten down, so subservient, so fearful of authority that it complies with the most horrific and undemocratic “laws” and is unable to unite and simply say NO, collectively.”
@Bubblebustin
My passport renewal application of three years ago stated very clearly that not only would I have been fined $500. For not voluntarily providing my SSN but that my passport application may also be delayed or denied if I did not provide it.
Another point that I am always called a “kook” over but I have seen this born out as true a decade and a half ago is that it is against the law to use the SSN for anything other that the admin of the SS system. As it is almost universally used as an ID number, most, quite naturally, can not believe this to be true. Which, reminds me of a lot of the problems we have in communication the reality of CBT, FBAR and FATCA.
@Japan T
Up until now you were only subject to the possibility of $500 fine if you had a SSN, but refused to provide it. I hadn’t received a SSN in time for my Us passport renewal, as advised put a series of X’s in its place. No more. Under these new provisions, State will reject an application that is devoid of a SSN going forward.
It’s round up time.
“Until now, I had very little reason to worry about what someone else was doing in my name in the STATES as I am clearly not present there.”
3 year old children have their identities stolen in the US. They owe on loans, they have medical expenses (of 40 year old diabetics and drunkards not medical expenses of 3 year old children), so I suppose some owe taxes too. No one is safe.
Though identity theft has been a problem for centuries in Japan, maybe that doesn’t include children. It probably includes dead people though, and expatriates.
“As far as the court turning down the IRS on FBAR as it belonging to a different title”
No, Tax Court turned down someone who petitioned for protection from the IRS on FBAR.
Though come to think of it, if the person is a non-resident of the US, maybe no US court at all has jurisdiction to protect the person from the IRS on FBAR. I wonder if this could mean that the Fifth Amendment would prevent the IRS from collecting FBAR penalties from expats (that is, if the Fifth Amendment still existed).
“I have seen this born out as true a decade and a half ago is that it is against the law to use the SSN for anything other that the admin of the SS system.”
If that kind of law is still on the books, it conflicts with later laws and is invalidated by the “last in time” rule.
@Norman Diamond
““Until now, I had very little reason to worry about what someone else was doing in my name in the STATES as I am clearly not present there.”
3 year old children have their identities stolen in the US. They owe on loans, they have medical expenses (of 40 year old diabetics and drunkards not medical expenses of 3 year old children), so I suppose some owe taxes too. No one is safe.”
The is no such thing as “safe”, just varying degrees of safety, but no “safe”. But my point is, as long as I lived outside the U.S., it was very very unlikely that it should affect me and once I returned, I should (laughable now with more knowledge) be able to prove that all this activity was clearly not performed by myself as my passport clearly shows I was outside the country. Until recently, I was afforded the protection of the rule of law. Now knowing that that is not the case, I am worried that I will be losing my passport over this and thus lose my family, home and career.
““As far as the court turning down the IRS on FBAR as it belonging to a different title”
No, Tax Court turned down someone who petitioned for protection from the IRS on FBAR.”
Great! Even better!!…..err Worse!
“Though come to think of it, if the person is a non-resident of the US, maybe no US court at all has jurisdiction to protect the person from the IRS on FBAR. I wonder if this could mean that the Fifth Amendment would prevent the IRS from collecting FBAR penalties from expats (that is, if the Fifth Amendment still existed).”
As we are guaranteed a trial,be our peers, no court has jurisdiction anyway. Not that that deters them or protects us.
““I have seen this born out as true a decade and a half ago is that it is against the law to use the SSN for anything other that the admin of the SS system.”
If that kind of law is still on the books, it conflicts with later laws and is invalidated by the “last in time” rule.”
Now I am clearly in over my head here, but if a more recent law is found to be in violation of a previous law, does not the newer law need to be reconciled against the preventive law? If a newer law does not have to follow earlier laws that would restrict it and automatically take precedence, then what is the point of passing laws that include limits on its application?
Does this “last in time” rule apply to the constitution and its amendments? If so, how?
This keeps getting scarier and scarier.
@Japan T, add Zero Hedge blog to your daily reading.
@George
Will do but will help me sleep at night or add to the terror of this waking nightmare?
@JapanT, lets just say that it will reduce the unknown unknowns. Something we both strived for in our prior lives.
@George
Hmm, caught flatfooted and unable to respond, I am not sure I really want to know what is in store.
But in the hope, vain it seems, I will continue the search for a way out.
Thanks for the info.
http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2012/06/12/the-last-in-time-rule-makes-tax-treaties-with-the-united-states-essentially-worthless/
Since when does a rule trump law? Those criminals!
“Since when does a rule trump law?”
In this case the rule is a meta-law which gives later laws precedence over earlier laws, and it is the later law which trumps the earlier law.
Another rule which is a meta-law is that case law trumps statutory law. For example a court could rule that the US constitution trumps an ordinary law, or a court could rule that an ordinary law trumps the US constitution, and in either case it is actually the court doing the trumping.
Where courts rule that people have to commit perjury on tax returns, signing the preprinted jurat without alteration even when knowing it’s false, people who commit perjury unwillingly aren’t affected by 26 USC section 7206, so maybe there’s no conflict of law. Where courts rule that people have to fabricate social security numbers to report on tax returns, it seems to me that there is a conflict of law, but case law trumps statutory law. I hope we won’t see a court rule someday that a person has to commit murder in order to make their tax return acceptable … hmm, if a US soldier or drone operator disobeys an order to murder enemy non-combatant civilians …
Meanwhile, then there’s Japan. Bureaucratic rules trump social conventions. Social conventions trump laws. Etc.
So, a law prohibiting Congress from doing something can be overridden by a more recent law that ignores the prohibition simply by applying the “last in time” rule?
Is this how they “justify” ignoring the constitution and its amendments, simply by applying the “last in time” rule to negate previous laws that restrict the power of the federal government?
If so, then the State has unlimited power. No one is protected by the rule of law as no such thing as rule of law exists.
Japan is simple, we are right and you are wrong, off to jail you go.
End of story.
‘So, a law prohibiting Congress from doing something can be overridden by a more recent law that ignores the prohibition simply by applying the “last in time” rule?’
Yes. That’s exactly what the “last in time” rule is. Actually the “last in time” rule is more general; Congress can let anyone do anything that Congress wishes to allow, by passing a more recent law that ignores the earlier law. Congress can be overridden by a court, where a court can rule that the law is unconstitutional (which happens when a court wants to rule that a law is unconstitutional, which is a completely separate issue from whether a law actually is unconstitutional).
‘Is this how they “justify” ignoring the constitution and its amendments’
In such a case they need help from courts.
By the way the Fifth Amendment prohibits depriving a person of life without due process, and some other clause prohibits bills of attainder. So Congress can’t decide to drone a person, but a president can. Due process is carried out by either a judge and jury or by a president, and an executive order of attainder isn’t a congressinoal bill. A dead person doesn’t have standing to sue.
‘If so, then the State has unlimited power.’
Except when a court wants to stop someone from usurping a court’s power.
“A dead person doesn’t have standing to sue.”
But they can vote, early and often.
‘If so, then the State has unlimited power.’
Except when a court wants to stop someone from usurping a court’s power.
The courts are part of the State, so as far as the “citizen” is concerned, there are no checks to the States power. It has unlimited power.
Great, even worse than I thought.
“A dead person doesn’t have standing to sue.”
‘But they can vote, early and often.’
Sometimes they can be elected.
By the way, a dead person can also be robbed by identity thieves operating either inside or outside the IRS.