This article on our ADCS-ADSC Canadian FATCA IGA lawsuit came out on August 20, 2015.
I have now received permission from Bloomberg BNA to post it on Brock:
“Reproduced with permission from Daily Tax Report, 161 DTR I-1 (Aug. 20, 2015). Copyright 2015 by The Bureau of National Affairs, Inc. (800-372-1033) http://www.bna.com.”
This article is interesting as it largely takes our lawsuit seriously. Unfortunately, none of “us” (Ginny and Gwen, our supporters harmed by the Canada-U.S. FATCA IGA) were interviewed.
THE BLOOMBERG ARTICLE:
“Canada Court Ruling Could Put Brakes on FATCA
2015-08-19 23:53:39.983 GMT
BNA SnapshotDevelopment: Federal Court of Canada due to rule on the validity of Canada’s intergovernmental agreement to facilitate FATCA financial reporting.
Takeaway: Practitioners predict a ruling for the plaintiffs would spur challenges around the world.
Next: Ruling expected by Sept. 30 [Hopefully before September 13; SK].
By Peter Menyasz
June 19 — Tax authorities and practitioners around the world are awaiting a Canadian court’s ruling on the legality of Canada’s legislation to comply with the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (Hillis v. Attorney Gen. of Canada, Federal Court of Canada, No. T-1734-14, oral arguments, 8/5/15).
The Federal Court of Canada is due to issue by Sept. 30 a ruling on the validity of the intergovernmental agreement on FATCA between Canada and the U.S., which mirrors more than 100 IGAs the U.S. has reached with other jurisdictions (221 DTR I-3, 11/17/14).
The ruling will address the preliminary issue, addressed in oral arguments Aug. 4-5, of whether information exchanges authorized by Canadian legislation to implement the IGA are consistent with the Canada-U.S. Income Tax Convention. The court will rule later on the constitutional validity of Canada’s legislation to implement the IGA, which is the lawsuit’s main thrust.
Storm Ahead?
If the court finds in favor of the plaintiffs, the Canadian government will undoubtedly file an appeal with the Federal Court of Appeal, but in the interim, the ruling will “throw the brakes” on FATCA’s application in Canada, Roy Berg, director of U.S. tax law with Moodys Gartner Tax Law LLP, told Bloomberg BNA in an Aug. 18 interview.
The court could also find the IGA partially inconsistent with the tax treaty, leaving the door open to appeals by both sides. Even if the court supports the government’s position, an appeal is likely, Berg said.
In addition, the court has indicated it will likely issue only a bare order, with reasons to follow later, leaving uncertainty over the details of its finding, and regardless of this ruling, the constitutional challenge will remain to be heard, he said.
The Canadian challenge is being watched carefully in the other jurisdictions with IGAs in place, and success by the Canadian plaintiffs could lead to a string of challenges, particularly as the treaty-based arguments would apply in a number of jurisdictions, he said.
Additionally, Berg said that if the Canadian lawsuit is successful, it could put at risk Canada’s ability to participate fully in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development’s common reporting standard. The Canadian government committed in its budget for fiscal 2015-2016 to implementing the OECD standard in July 2017, with draft legislation to be introduced during 2015 (77 DTR I-3, 4/22/15) .
“Potentially, the storm is coming,” Berg said.
Practitioners Awaiting Outcome
Alexander Demner, a partner in the Toronto office of Thorsteinssons LLP, agreed Aug. 19 that a ruling in favor of the plaintiffs would be “extremely significant,” effectively striking down the IGA and forcing Canadian financial institutions to choose between reporting directly to the IRS and paying the full 30 percent withholding tax on payments received from U.S. payors.
That would also mean that Canadian taxpayers’ other accounts, including registered retirement savings plan accounts and tax-free savings accounts, would lose the exemptions provided in the IGA and would be reportable to the IRS, Demner told Bloomberg BNA in an e-mail.
“The result could potentially be disastrous,” he said. “Canadian banks could find themselves in an untenable position, and one which could have serious economic repercussions.”
Roanne C. Bratz, a partner in the Montreal office of Stikeman Elliott LLP, agreed Aug. 19 that a ruling in the plaintiffs’ favor could be seen as support for similar legal challenges in other jurisdictions. “Of course, the basis for the Canadian judgment would be key in determining the extent of such jurisprudential support,” Bratz told Bloomberg BNA in an e-mail.
In any event, there will be significant uncertainty regardless of the outcome of this first ruling in the Canadian lawsuit, she said. “Whichever side is victorious at first instance, it is certain that appeals will be filed, so a realistic final determination is not imminent,” she said.
Bratz also noted the lawsuit in the U.S. filed by Republican presidential candidate Sen. Rand Paul (Ky.) that challenges the validity of FATCA-related IGAs signed by the U.S. with Canada, the Czech Republic, Israel and Switzerland (135 DTR K-4, 7/15/15).
Veronika Chang, head of the U.S. law practice group with Toronto law firm Morris Kepes Winters LLP, suggested Aug. 19 that while a ruling in the plaintiffs’ favor would invalidate Canada’s IGA, it would not affect the underlying requirements imposed by FATCA.
The ruling could inconvenience Canadian financial institutions and potentially spur similar court challenges in other jurisdictions, but that won’t help Canadian taxpayers, Chang told Bloomberg BNA in a telephone interview. “At the end of the day, I don’t see it changing much,” she said.
Details of Tax Treaty Implications
The first portion of the lawsuit addresses the arguments by plaintiffs Virginia Hillis and Gwendolyn Deegan, dual citizens who were born in the United States, that the requirements in the IGA for provision of account holder information to the IRS is more extensive than permitted by Articles XXVI-A, XXVII and XXV of the bilateral income tax treaty.
They argued that only a tiny subset of the information collected by the Canada Revenue Agency from Canadian financial institutions would be legally disclosable under the treaty and that the information would not provide any benefit to the IRS, demonstrating that coverage of Canada under FATCA was unnecessary.
It is impossible to guess on which side of the case the ruling will land, but there is a reasonable chance that the court could “bite” on the plaintiffs’ arguments, Berg said.
“Taken at face value, the plaintiff’s position would greatly limit the exchange of information contemplated by FATCA, which the defendants argued could not reasonably be what Canada and the U.S. intended when they entered into the IGA. The defendants proffered the counter-argument that under Canadian law interpreting a tax treaty is different than interpreting a statute,” Berg said.
The main portion of the lawsuit argues that the Canada-U.S. IGA, signed Feb. 5, 2014, violates basic freedoms guaranteed by Canada’s Charter of Rights and Freedoms and the unwritten constitutional principle against forfeiting sovereignty to a foreign state.
Federal lawyers countered that the IGA’s provisions are constitutional because they don’t cede sovereignty, and if they do violate Charter rights, the infringements are justified to relieve Canadian financial institutions and their clients from the “crippling” consequences of non-compliance with FATCA.
Canada’s Model 1 IGA relieves Canadian financial institutions from having to file reports directly to the IRS, instead reporting to the CRA, which would then provide the information to its U.S. counterpart. That eliminates concerns about compliance with Canadian privacy laws and protecting the exchanged information under Article XXVII of the bilateral tax treaty.
The IGA also clarifies that Canadian institutions aren’t required to report on certain classes of accounts, exempts smaller deposit-taking institutions from FATCA reporting requirements, exempts Canadian institutions from mandating closure of client accounts and provides simpler rules than those in FATCA.
To contact the reporter on this story: Peter Menyasz in Ottawa at correspondents@bna.com
To contact the editor on this story: Rita McWilliams at rmcwilliams@bna.com
The above story appeared in:
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— HERE IS COMMENTARY ON THE ARTICLE BY USCitizenAbroad:
@Stephen Kish
Thanks for posting this article and I agree with your statement that:
This article is interesting as it largely takes our lawsuit seriously. Unfortunately, none of “us” (Ginny and Gwen, our supporters harmed by the Canada-U.S. FATCA IGA) were interviewed.
The article reveals a “FATCAnatic Tax Practitioner” perspective of the situation. The article and comments reported are a testament to how far the @ADCSSovereighty FATCA lawsuit has achieved. The FATCAnatics are VERY CLEARLY taking the lawsuit seriously.
This important piece of wisdom comes to mind:
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
Mahatma Gandhi
First they ignored us – no question about that …
Think back to the early days. Think back to the protests. Think back to the Bill C-31 Committee hearings.
Then, they laughed at us …
As I recall, in May 2014, certain Conservative MPs (in the final stages of the Bill C-31 hearings) were actually laughing at the harm inflicted on certain Canadian citizens.
In August of 2014 when the lawsuit was filed, various tax practitioners and MPs (and others) took the position that they lawsuit was ridiculous and laughable. I remember comments to the effect that … “What the plaintiffs don’t see” or “What the plaintiffs don’t understand is …” Some even suggested that the plaintiffs were admitting to CRIMINAL Acts. Imagine, Canadian citizens and residents are criminals because they are not filing forms to the United States Government. Right …
Now, the are clearly fighting us …
Oh yes, the Government is fighting tooth and nail. I believe it was also posted on Brock that various U.S. tax practitioners were actually in the courtroom in Vancouver (what were they doing there anyway?) Even the “tax practitioner” quotations in the above article seem to allow for the possibility that we will win. To quote from the article:
It is impossible to guess on which side of the case the ruling will land, but there is a reasonable chance that the court could “bite” on the plaintiffs’ arguments, …
And then we win! Yes, its true
The tax practitioners quoted NOW recognize that the true impact of this lawsuit extends way beyond Canada. Think of it! This lawsuit providing the road to 100 countries who have signed Model 1 IGAs being shown the road to freedom. Yes, this is serious indeed. To quote:
The Canadian challenge is being watched carefully in the other jurisdictions with IGAs in place, and success by the Canadian plaintiffs could lead to a string of challenges, particularly as the treaty-based arguments would apply in a number of jurisdictions, he said.
Actually, we may have already won. It’s just that we have to wait a bit longer for a formal notification of our victory. That notification will come. I don’t know the date or the context but it will come.
Thanks again for posting this:
“The world according to the FATCAnatic Tax Practitioner” article.
Thank you @ Alby. I’ll highlight part of those Australian deliberations for those who haven’t time to read through it all …
and then later …
Bang on! The snickering was so justified.
‘- “A withholdable payment is a payment of either: U.S. source income that is fixed or determinable, annual or periodical (FDAP) income; or gross proceeds from the sale or other disposition (including redemption) of property that can produce U.S. source interest or dividend income.”?? Whatever that means (source: Thomsonreuters).’
What it means is gross proceeds (not capital gain) from sales of shares and withdrawals from bank accounts and that sort of thing.
Example: In 2005 I sold 1,700 shares of Intel. Ameritrade (a US company at that time before being bought by TD) withheld 30% of the gross sales proceeds, around US$10,000, and reported the withholding on Form 1099. IRS data entry clerk Monica Hernandez stole the withholding, but I didn’t know about that. Where a line on Form 1040 says to enter withholding from Forms 1099, W-2, etc., I edited that to say Forms 1099, 1042-S, etc., and wrote the total from Forms 1099 and 1042-S. Notice that Form 1099 is the same. Some IRS employee altered records of my 1040 and 1116 to allege declarations of around $10,000 of foreign tax credit instead of withholding, but I didn’t know about that. Some IRS employee accused me of fraud and frivolousness but refused to say why. More than 10 years have gone by and it’s not over yet.
Anyway, that’s what “gross proceeds from the sale or other disposition (including redemption) of property that can produce U.S. source interest or dividend income” means.
‘- Is this money to specific US-person (recalcitrant…?) accounts, or does it apply to everybody’s money (i.e. I am compliant, in a non-compliant bank, so my US income is taxed 30%; in that case can I reclaim that money by dealing directly with the IRS?)’
If the bank refuses to report, then it will be all of the money going to the bank so it will apply to everybody’s money.
As for reclaiming by dealing directly with the IRS, statutes seem to say yes, but the IRS doesn’t obey. You’ll need deep pockets and hope courts will listen to your lawyer. I can’t afford 3 years’ salary to hire a lawyer.
Wow Norman Diamond. This is “Civil Forfeiture” all over again, but done to non-residents of Mordor. Pathetic!
‘This is “Civil Forfeiture” all over again’
Only partly. It started with theft by IRS data entry clerk Monica Hernandez, for which she was criminally convicted. But honest filers don’t get their refunds and do get penalized.
When Kathryn Kenneally was US Assistant Attorney General for taxation, she gave a speech to the US Senate about Stolen Identity Refund Fraud (SIRF) being a growing problem. She told the Senate that the IRS will always make good to victims of SIRF but the violation is still a big problem for victims. Well, even that way a lie. When the IRS didn’t make good to me, victim of SIRF fraud by IRS employees, and I sued for refunds, guess which US Assistant Attorney General for taxation opposed me in court.