The Officiant asked:
Petros, will you take [future Mrs. Petros] to be your wife?
Will you love her, comfort her, honour and protect her,
and, forsaking all others,
be faithful to her as long as you both shall live?Petros answered:
I will. …
I, Petros, take you, [future Mrs. Petros],
to be my wife, to have and to hold
from this day foward;
for better, for worse,
for richer, for poorer,
in sickness and in health,
to love, cherish, and worship,
till death us do part,
according to God’s holy law;
and this is my solemn vow.
I relinquished my US citizenship on February 28, 2011. But in my heart, I really relinquished my US citizenship over 20 years earlier in a Vancouver church. The United States requires ultimate allegiance and total loyalty. It is not willing to take second place. But I was unfaithful to this birth obligation and aspired to another calling, that of husband. So I took this solemn pledge and agreed to forsake all others and to marry my wife.
I admit being a relic of the traditional past. In today’s post-Christian culture, the American government begrudges other loyalties. A man or woman born an American citizen is first and foremost a taxpayer, and all other loyalties and ties be damned. As governments grow in power they demand more and more of the citizen’s allegiance to the point of first choking and then destroying all other institutions, especially its main rivals, family and religion. The United States has become a jealous god. Only two generations ago, a woman who married a foreign national and lived abroad lost her US citizenship–as is the case of Mrs. Petros’ grandmother, who lived out her retirement years as a Green Card holder in the USA despite having been born a US citizen in US territory. Her marriage to a British national and her residence in Canada disqualified her as a loyal citizen until 1986, but she did not seek to regain her US citizenship and was content to pass away a Green Card holder. Twenty-two years ago I too agreed to forsake other allegiances and married a Canadian and took up permanent residence in Canada seven years later.
People say often that they could never give up their US citizenship. But for me it was an easy thing to do. The basis of the Judeo-Christian ethic and of much law, historically, in the Western world, is the Decalogue, which is silent regarding loyalty towards the state. “Thou shalt have no other gods before me”. Ultimate allegiance belongs to God not the state. “Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.” The family has the next call to obedience in the Decalogue. The Torah also requires the succession of a man’s loyalty to his wife from his parents as a foundation of the Creation (Gen 2.24): “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.” The authority of the state has no foundation in the Ten Commandments. Rather, the tyrannical power of the state rests in its ability to terrorize its citizens.
On the American Expatriates group on Facebook, one contributor said that if he were the Canadian and his wife the American, and she insisted upon reporting their bank accounts to the IRS, he would divorce her. In effect he is interpreting FBAR as a violation of the marriage vows, or at least the concept of marriage as an institution of faithfulness. To report a spouse’s private bank accounts in Canada to a foreign and hostile government is not consistent with the institution of marriage in which ultimate loyalty is to one another. I have said the following many times to the media: The IRS has no right to my Canadian spouse’s account information. The FBAR requirement and FATCA put me in a Catch-22. Either I remain loyal to my birth country that I hadn’t lived in for 25 years, or I remain faithful to my spouse. Thus, I relinquished my US citizenship for love. And I do not give a damn about all the self-righteous American Homelanders who think I am a traitor to the USA. In my opinion, such people are idolators, worshiping their god, these United States of America.
Ok…I’ve got to add one last tidbit for you all. I was in the bank cashing my paycheck where they issued it from since I am now without a bank account and a lady I know who works there in the investment department asked me…”Sorry to hear about this Fatca mess that you’re involved in…are you Canadian?” and I said noooooo….this piece of crap is from the U.S.A. Then I thought, how is it possible that the investment officer doesn’t even know what nationality to be on the lookout for!!!!! This is so freaking crazy that if it weren’t real it would be a horror movie (that no one would pay to see)
@2T2,
“Allan Schieman is the founder of Defend Your Wealth, an independent financial research and education company in Calgary. “You can give your spouse any assets you want,” he says, “but the income those assets generate will attribute to you.” In other words, you’ll pay the tax, not her.”
http://www.moneysense.ca/columns/giving-money-to-a-spouse/
“…Canada has no gift tax…”
http://fbc.ca/knowledge-centre/whats-cras-position-family-gifts
OK then, 2t2 live in Europe…this changes things.
But, I still like Mettleman’s solution.
@2t2, If things keep on the current trajectory, soon none of us will know the difference between Canada and the USA.
YUP it was me who fully intends to line the bird cage with as many brown envelopes they should choose to send me……
at my OMG moment I was much like you 2terrified2sleep but then after about a year of talking to people and being here on Brock I got things figured out.
I am not going to tell the IRS nor Amerika who or where I am. I will not sign anything, I bank at a “local client base” bank. my mortgage is held by a big 5 bank however and when it comes up for renewal it too will be moved over.
I have a separate financial advisor for rrsp’s and he has said to me he does not care if I was from mars it would not make any difference to him.
look we are in Canada, the former finance minster has said Canada will not collect on a foreign debt if the person was in Canada and a candian at the time. we have done nothing wrong.
everybody’s story is slightly different and there is certainly no one size fits all solution but for those of us who have no NEED ever to cross the American border I see absoutly NO reason to put your hand up and say “you hoo uncle same here I am”..they do not know who I or where I am I am certainly not going to go and tell them who or where I am
the ones I really feel bad for are the people who have business or family reasons for traveling across the border…….then yes there is a big problem
once you can accept the fact that you may never vacation in amerika ever again the problem gets a whole lot easier.
JUST SAY NO!!!!! 🙂
@2t2t
I think you should try the streamlined. Seeing that you have paid your taxes already. They are mitigating penalties for those in streamlined if deemed non wilful. And you sound pretty non-wilful to me.
There is no protection like for Canadians in the EU.
I am hoping that any Senatorial staff that reviews blogs will take into account the fear that CBT introduces (US only western country using CBT) is truly unfair. A 5 year old could tell you that.
2T2
You may find this useful re the bank account gift to your non citizen spouse.
http://hodgen.com/gift-to-noncitizen-spouses-and-preparing-the-gift-tax-return/
I believe that you can give up to $145,000 year as a gift to a non citizen spouse.
Any more would have to come from the unified credit lifetime amount or pay a gift tax but read carefully the filing procedure.
Phil Hodgen has a blog with tax and expatriation guide at the bottom of this website (black area)