A good friend of mine, a Canadian citizen who has lived in Canada for 40 years, recently shared some of her thoughts with me regarding what she describes as a sort of cognitive dissonance in terms of her changing feelings towards the country she was born in, grew up in, and is still a citizen of – the USA. The following is narrated from some emails she sent me, and for which she gave permission to share with the Brock community. She says:
I needed a break from all this FATCA craziness, so went to a show called “Rock ‘n Roll Legends”, at a local theater with my neighbours. Although the theater is small, it is a class act and people come from all over to watch the shows. I expected to have trouble staying in my seat and figured I would want to dance up and down the aisles. And it was just fabulous! They did this retrospective of showing US news on the screen while performing the music that was current at the time from the 60′ and 70’s. The cast was amazing. They had the music just absolutely perfectly dead on, all could sing unbelievably well, mimicking the original artists perfectly, and each played multiple instruments.
It was unreal. But the most unpredictable thing happened to me. Instead of wanting to dance in the aisles, I ended up sobbing. You didn’t grow up in the USA, and are much younger than me. I lived through Viet Nam and lost classmates. I lived through the atrocities committed, and yet I loved my country – not the government but the nation. I loved my classmates that died in Nam, understood that: only the poor kids were sent to fight and were not honoured upon their return; the politicians’ kids didn’t go; and the country didn’t care about the expendable poor kids but just used them for political fodder.
In a strange way that whole era, combined in my head at the same time with this FATCA mess we are currently in, and I had this soul wrenching, demoralizing sense of utter betrayal and complete understanding of what a fool I have been for so many years. I just sobbed. They showed pictures from Viet Nam – the young soldiers, the devastation – all to the backdrop of “He ain’t heavy he’s my brother”. It just killed me.
To actually have believed that the country was good, but to now understand that the government has always been and always will be just simply cruel, makes me ashamed to have this red, white and blue tattoo, just simply ashamed. Yet it is who I am. At a gut level I think I actually see myself as an American living in Canada. But now I am left with this empty, groundless, terrifying feeling. I cannot shed this ‘American thing’ that is me, nor am I really Canadian (aside from living here for 40 years and having a Canadian passport).
In the grand scale of life does it really matter? We are all citizens of this planet. Maybe having what one calls a ‘national identity’ is just simply foolish, and an ego thing. Intellectually, I believe this but in my gut I am simply sick, sad and very, very unhappy. It is a sense of being adrift, beyond lonely, of not having one drop of solid ground under my feet, having no identity, and of being terrified of and hurt by my once beloved country.
Am I making one drop of sense? I really can’t describe the source of my tears nor the pain in my tummy. Betrayal? Fear? Being adrift? Am I overreacting? Maybe being involved with this fight day in and day out is causing me to flip out. But it is real, and not dealing with it, not fighting back will do nothing to make it go away. I have to stay involved. Taking a break will just cause me more anxiety.
Well, so much for it being a fun night. I now feel hung over and exhausted, and I didn’t drink a thing! My head is stuck in a depressive bubble.
My story is similar, except for the fact that I am so glad to be Canadian. I feel Harper sold us down the river, but ultimately it was the U.S. That is causing all this suffering. When I see all the issues down there, like guns & health care plus so many others, I do not miss living there at all. I just thank God I moved so many years ago.
@WhiteKat
once beloved country
I’m curious–what did you (or rather the person whose message you are posting) once love about the USA?
Why don’t you (or the person writing) feel really Canadian after 40 years there?
As someone who has spent decades in both countries I feel a strong connections to both countries and it is the “homelanders” (by which I mean people who’ve spent most of their lives in one country) I find harder to relate to.
I was a young kid when Vietnam ended so can’t directly relate as someone who was a young adult then. However some of the most powerful songs about the Vietnam era–for example Lightfoot’s “Black Day in July” and Young’s “Ohio”–were actually written by Canadians so any mention of the music of that era naturally strongly references my sense of connection to BOTH countries and it is hard to separate my feelings for both countries.
@J B
Yes FATCA is ultimately the handiwork of the US not Canada but I can’t quite accept a model of Harper as someone who would be a good guy if only it weren’t for the big bad USA. Harper has done too many things I don’t agree with on his own without the help of the USA–and he has a dictatorial sense about him that I can’t recall from any previous Canadian PM–even those with long standing majorities.
But I believe that power tends to corrupt so on a global scale the US government will always be more corrupt than its Canadian government simply because the US government has way more power globally. I believe that Harper would be just as bad if had the same power as the US does though. He scares me and not just because of FATCA.
Dash1729: I totally agree with you about Harper, but I especially dislike him about FATCA. One iss of many to choose from.
“My Wound is Geography” from USCitizenAbroad “U.S. Persons Abroad – Members of a Unique Tax, Form and Penalty Club” blog is something I read over and over again when I am losing perspective. The message could have come from my own thinking.
I hope it is something that will help others, including the person discussed in this post who came to Canada from the US, and perhaps especially during the Vietnam era when we had classmates and brothers drafted, some who never came back and some who came back very emotionally and/or physically wounded. (as drafted Cassius Clay / Muhammad Ali — see bubblebustin’s related comment from this morning: http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2015/05/28/opposition-to-stripping-citizenship-from-draft-evaders-in-the-1860s/comment-page-1/#comment-6141984 and listen to what is said by this out-spoken and courageous young (black) man at this link.) My comments about my brothers and the Vietnam war era appear elsewhere on Brock. My own story is here. I *thought* I was a Canadian-only from the time I became a Canadian citizen in 1975 and was at that time warned that I would be losing my US citizenship by doing so. My husband (who had served four years in the US Marines before we came here) and I came to Canada for a job opportunity after a huge lay-off in Seattle where we lived. It was in Vietnam era and we agreed with all who came to Canada as they could not morally fight in that war. My first sense of betrayal was that I was lied to by the US in that dire warning in 1975, one that I had accepted at face value.
The emotional up’s and down’s to all with this are staggering. This is something I have in my back pocket to read and re-read when I’m feeling least strong — as usual it has come from one person here whose wisdom has sustained me throughout my years at this — again, from USCitizenAbroad:
…even though I too feel betrayed by the country in which I chose to move to, become a citizen of, raise my children, work, save for retirement and pay taxes to, as well as, I hope, have been contributing to this country’s society in my own little ways when now-deceased former Finance Minister Flaherty, who I thought stood behind us said (http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2014/02/24/finance-minister-jim-flaherty-is-already-effectively-stripping-canadians-of-us-origin-of-their-canadian-citizenship/):
It was one of the times I wanted to actually throw up in utter disbelief and disgust: http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2014/02/24/finance-minister-jim-flaherty-is-already-effectively-stripping-canadians-of-us-origin-of-their-canadian-citizenship/comment-page-1/#comment-1145618
[ Of course, we also have at the moment (for Canada) from the US / Canada Tax Treaty and from the mouth and pen of (now former) Canadian Finance Minister Flaherty, variations of saying:
Perhaps the sobbing of this person at such an unlikely time was a release needed in realization of the betrayal(s) that not many can understand, save those going through similar emotions in all this absurdity. Stay strong.
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*In other words, Flaherty is telling those who need and have asked for the protection of the government of Canada to seek redress in the USA. This effectively removes them from the protection from Canada and effectively makes them subject to the laws of the USA: thus, Flaherty has rendered them Dominant and Effective US nationals–a sort of extraordinary rendition while they still remain in Canada. The Harper government, in one fell swoop, has removed Dominant and Effective Canadian Nationality from as many as one million persons in Canada. Thus, the crime of being of US national origin is equal, in the eyes of this government, with terrorism, high treason and spying.
Not a stretch for me from this and today’s report that we read: Canadian Passports Can Now Be Revoked By The Government
I feel like you do, sad and depressed but above all, absolutely betrayed by a country that I once loved and am now fearful of. I suffered terribly when I had my OMG moment in January and thought the IRS was going to put me in jail or ruin my family financially. I spent the first 3 months crying and worrying and got no help from any one because unless you’re involved you truly cannot relate or comprehend what is going on. My family thinks I am exaggerating, that it’s all just a “nothing thing” and my European friends just don’t understand any of it. I asked my childhood friends what they thought about fatca and they have never even heard of it!! My biggest help was finding the Isaac Brock Society and Maplesand Box websites. I read every article and comment posted and it helps me get through the day and this crazy period of wasted life that I have been living the last 3 months. My biggest regret is that I am unable to enjoy anything right now…too depressed, I guess.
This is my 50th year in Canada after spending the first 16 in the U.S. I, too, love the U.S. as a country (not government) and, very similarly, love Canada. I have found that wherever you go, people are just people.
I renounced my US citizenship in 2012 and perhaps unlike others, I had no qualms about it. I did not feel the least bit sad or depressed although the I did and still do feel very betrayed. I just cannot comprehend that seemingly intelligent people can write such totally unjust policy.
An odd thing, perhaps, is that I also don’t have strong feelings about my Canadian citizenship. Don’t get me wrong; I am grateful to be living, first in the U.S., and now in Canada. I do NOT take that for granted. But I am also more than the country I reside in and I seem to related more to people I encounter each day than a nebulous society at large. I guess I see myself as a person of the world.
I really want to tell you all what recently happened on my trip to the USA on May 15th of this year. I wondered where the place to tell it was and now it is here. This story is as true as I am human. One of my hobbies is amateur radio. I have been licensed since I was 19 and love it. I went to the Hamvention in Dayton Ohio to take in the flea market as I tend to love radios and buy parts and test equipment etc. There are over 2500 vendors there and myself and 2 other amateurs went. I do talk to US homelanders about my experience with Fatca and how their government’s actions affect my life. While passing one table, there were 5 people sitting there talking about Obama. 4 men and 1 woman all about my age. I told them about the US attack on my wife and how they forced their laws into Canada by way of economic sanction. I told them how my wife has NO ties to the USA and spent all of her school days singing the Canadian national anthem saying the words”stand on guard for thee” and also how she never earned one cent in the USA all of her lives. The people were truly shocked that the USA would threaten Canada under any circumstance. They were in dis belief and angry thinking that the USA wants anything from her. The woman who listened stood up and walked over to me and looked me in the eye and said ” As an American, I apologize to you for what my country has done to you and your wife” I said “thank you” and please look into how the Obama government passed this law behind closed doors without any congressional debate. I gave everyone there the Brock website info and for all I know, they are reading this now. I think it is time to really look into our government’s actions and do something about it.
@NativeCanadian, Wow that is really cool. It must have felt good to get an empathetic response instead of a ‘don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out’ (btw last May 15 was my daughter’s 18th birthday – fortunately she did not inherit the US taint).
@NativeCanadian re: ” I think it is time to really look into our government’s actions and do something about it.”
If the lawsuit doesn’t turn out how we like, and the IRS letters start getting dropped into people’s mail boxes, and Canadian banks start turning up the heat on Canadians with a US birthplace – in other words as more and more Canadians with US taint feel like they are in a corner – they will become more reactionary, and something will be done about it. There are too many of us for the government to think we are just going to suck it up.
I can fully understand how the person who wrote these emails feels – I feel the same way. I have no desire to renounce but I am being forced to. I love the USA as a country and the fundamental principles that it was founded on – but and it’s a BIG BUT – the federal government of the USA, its laws, and it’s behavior has undermined those very admirable fundamental principles. I recently spent 3 weeks driving around the Western states of the USA with my non US girl friend. So many beautiful places, so many nice people – when you are there you tend to forget about CBT, FATCA and FBAR as you are treated like anyone else when you are in the USA – then when you get back ‘home’ (outside the USA) it all hits you in the face (again). I probably would have shed a tear as well at that show – what a shame we are all being put in this horrible situation.
I never loved the USA, nor did I ever hate it (until recently). I subscribe to what someone said in a post lost among the zillions of posts here on IBS: loyalty to a piece of dirt in between artificial lines, just because you were born there or once resided there, has never made any logical or emotional sense to me.
I enjoy the country I’ve lived in for over three decades (not Canada), and I care about its people and governance, and stand up for the place in debates over both internal and international issues. But as for my own identity, I am an international person. My love and loyalty is for the planet.
Frankly–and I truly don’t mean any offense!–I don’t understand any of you dual Canadian-US citizens. Why on earth did you bother hanging onto both? Canada is a wonderful country, whose down sides are negligible compared to the USA, so why hasn’t Canadian citizenship been enough all along? Even before FATCA, there was CBT, there was the risk of being a terror target, and so on. I can’t for the life of me understand why you would have clung to US citizenship. Heck, if my country of residence wasn’t quasi-authoritarian, whose racist naturalization laws set out enormous hoops for Caucasians, I’d have taken citizenship and renounced the USA decades ago. I’ve clung to my US passport because until now there was no better alternative. But you Canadians have perhaps the best alternative on earth. So why remain dual? This is not a challenge, it is an honest question.
It will be gut-wrenching once I make up my mind to take up local citizenship and renounce the USA both legally and in my heart. But I expect it to be something akin to divorce (something I haven’t experienced), in which one identity is painfully shed, while the regrets–if any–will rapidly fade.
I’ve lived in my second country for over 35 years. Why did I never renounce my US citizenship? The main reason is because my family (father, mother, brothers…) and best friends from childhood live there. I always thought…”if I ever get divorced or something happens to my husband I would go back …) I always wanted the possibility to go back to my birth place and I don’t find that very unusual. Every other country lets their citizens come and go without a problem, so why would I give up this right? Well…it turns out now in 2015 this might have been a foolish idea. When I was a kid there were no computers and I think we still had a black and white t.v. Who would have imagined 40 years ago that there could be this witch hunt through computer searches and all of these draconian fines for bank accounts which are garden-variety ones!! I just never realized what a predator country the US actually is turning out to be!
In contrast I grew up in the USA during an era when the junior and senior high textbooks talked about US imperialism, racism, and genocide of the Native People. The situation of Black people was horrendous then and is little better now. How can one care for a nation that killed at least 4,000,000 in Vietnam and has continued on its merry path dominating and oppressing many around the world? Since leaving 40 years ago, the situation there has deteriorated and even cities cannot now restrict ownership of guns. I welcome not being able to enter the “The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.”
Read some Chris Hedges.
2002 : War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning (ISBN 1586480499)
2003 : What Every Person Should Know About War (ISBN 1417721049)
2005 : Losing Moses on the Freeway: The 10 Commandments in America (ISBN 0743255135)
2007 : American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America (ISBN 0743284437)
2008 : I Don’t Believe in Atheists (ISBN 141656795X)
2008 : Collateral Damage: America’s War Against Iraqi Civilians, with Laila Al-Arian (ISBN 1568583737)
2009 : When Atheism Becomes Religion: America’s New Fundamentalists, (ISBN 9781416570783), a retitled edition of I Don’t Believe in Atheists
2009 : Empire of Illusion: The End of Literacy and the Triumph of Spectacle (ISBN 9781568584379)
2010 : Death of the Liberal Class (ISBN 9781568586441)
2010 : The World As It Is: Dispatches on the Myth of Human Progress (ISBN 9781568586403)
2012 : Days of Destruction, Days of Revolt, with Joe Sacco (ISBN 9781568586434)
2015 : Wages of Rebellion: The Moral Imperative of Revolt (ISBN 1568589662)
I have seen Legends that White Kat’s friend wrote about. Both times was before IRS, FATCA, Brock or Sandbox were part of my life. How sad that she was not able to enjoy a fabulous show. If anyone has a chance to see it, be sure to do so and try to put all of this aside for a few hours.
I believed I did give up my U.S. Citizenship 42 years ago. My Canadian citizenship oath of 1973 required me to renounce my U.S. citizenship. I had no hesitation to do so–with the full direction from the U.S. Consulate that I was “permanently and irrevocably” relinquishing U.S. Citizenship.
I applied for Canadian citizenship two days after I was eligible with the definite intent that I was forever shedding U.S. Citizenship for the many reasons people mentioned above.
I am not sure why we are all so stunned that the U.S. Is treating us like this given their history. When I tell American friends and family about it, the most common response is “Why do we wonder why everyone hates us so much?”
When I first told Canadian friends about it, most jumped to the conclusion this was all George Bush’s fault. Most still believe that now. They will not believe this is Obama’s baby.
No one who is not affected by this can understand why I feel so betrayed by the Canadian government. They can’t understand why I consider this an attack on my personal identity. They can’t understand the deep sadness and anger at what Canada has done. Many can’t or won’t even believe it is happening.
The only way we can stop this erosion of our rights is to fight back through the courts. That is why it is imperative we get this lawsuit funded. Please donate.
Wow. Where do I start? I had a long telephone conversation with “White Kat’s friend” (and mine!) yesterday afternoon and I share her pain completely. I realize that for some of us on this blog there is no emotional connection to the USA but for others it runs long and deep regardless of one’s political affiliation. For people like myself and White Kat’s friend, the ties of blood and personal history are profoundly rooted in the land we came from. Our hearts have been big enough to love *it* as well as the country we have adopted as our own. There has never been a question of divided loyalties but, rather, a sense of inclusiveness.
But now there is the devastating realization that we have, throughout our entire lives, paid emotional homage to a country whose government has not been deserving of our respect and which has now gone out of its way to hurt us personally. It is an appalling and life-altering shock to both the body and the soul to realize that one’s DNA is inextricably bound to a place and a history that is not what we were taught to believe it was.
What White Kat’s friend is experiencing is grief and loss at the profoundest level. And as if that weren’t bad enough, it is mixed with fear about what the future may hold. Grief attacks can come at the strangest of times. The oddest and smallest of things can evoke a thought or a memory that floods one’s being and cannot easily be shut off. Anyone who has lost a close family member or friend will know this.
I’m happy to say that after almost exactly four years since my “Oh, my God” moment I have been fortunate enough to grow a hard shell of resistance around my heart. The fear and the grief have largely loosened their grip and I am able to live with the acceptance that this fight for justice is the centre of a new life. Mourning for the old one is over.
To White Kat’s friend and others in the midst of this suffering: you *will* get through this! “This too shall pass.”
Perhaps its easier for me as mother was not born in USA nor my father’s parents.
Barbara,
Many of us *thought*, because we were told so when we became Canadian citizens decades ago, that we would be losing our US citizenship (my then husband and I knew we wanted to settle in Canada, work in Canada, raise our children in Canada and be part of the Canadian fabric so wanted to become Canadian citizens when we could, a well-thought out CHOICE). In fact, I perceived that information as a warning from the US Consulate that I shouldn’t do it. I have very fond memories of my US growing-up years and my family and others I knew there, but I made a definite choice when I decided to change my citizenship.
That is exactly why finding out so many years later that information was a lie, the sense of betrayal was a knife in the gut. NEVER was I so angry to find out I was still a US citizen and with all of its CBT consequences — that is until I learned that my Canadian-born son who I never registered with the US (makes no difference!), never lived in the US, never had any benefit from the US (only from the country of his birth) could not in any way, for any amount of money paid to any US tax lawyer, US tax accountant or US immigration/nationality lawyer, be freed from his *acquired* US citizenship. The US even says that his allegiance should be to their country. I am incensed that any person *without requisite mental capacity* or their family is entrapped into this messy, complex and expensive situation that, to me, makes no moral sense, and that the US says that a parent, a guaradian or a trustee for such a person cannot act on such a person’s behalf, even with a court order.
I now know and will say to my grave that any *Accidental American* (like Gwen and Ginny born in the US to Canadian parents and returned to their own country as children, before age of majority OR those like my children, born in a country outside the US to USC parent(s)) should have a CLAIM to US citizenship if their facts permit, but with full knowledge of all of the consequences of that citizenship along with any benefits and with *requisite mental capacity to understand* — and that there is such a thing as *citizenship-based taxation*, which I never learned of in my US public education. If there are the dire consequences of CBT, then there should only be an OPT-IN to US citizenship, never an OPT-OUT. That is reprehensible out and out entrapment. (And, no, I don’t want any kind of *work-around or special allowance for my family* — I want law that makes sense for everyone.)
Yes, as Blaze this morning says (again),
Being told you are no longer an american citizen and then being told that you still are for purely financial and exploitative reasons is psychotic in itself. Really ugly stuff. I honestly don`t see how anybody can actually justify that- which then goes into the judicial which is a mystery to me as well.
But it is similar to laws which are enforced “retroactively”. It just doesn’t make any sense – creates “patsies” of people: sitting ducks for others to abuse freely.
@Barbara,
Some, such as myself, have never clung to dual citizenship. Having been born to Canadian parents, temporarily in the US, I was returned to Canada as a baby. In early adulthood, I was making certain my Canadian citizenship was solid, when I contacted the US regarding my US status. I never wanted US citizenship…ever. They told me I no longer had it. Until they decided 25 years later they could try to squeeze me for some cash.
I have never felt any allegiance to the the US, only Canada.
@Barbara Why did I not renounce? When my Canadian parents returned to Canada with their US-born children they were told that their children would have to claim the US citizenship, due to a residency requirement, if they wanted to keep it. We did not want it so we did not claim this citizenship, we wanted to be only Canadian. There was no internet in the 1970s to check for changes in US citizenship law and some US Consulates were telling people they did not have US citizenship long after law changes. The US government did not think there was any reason to inform anyone of its law changes, specifically those affecting its citizens living abroad. It also accepts no responsibility for the misinformation supplied by its Consulates, the only source of information for those living abroad before the internet. How were we to know? I certainly would have renounced as a young adult. I have no ties to the US, it is a foreign country to me, I left the US as a young child. My feelings towards the US government have certainly changed, the sense of betrayal is strong.
@Barbara
I think a common reason why someone in an ideal world would retain dual citizenship is that they grew up in Country A, their career takes them to Country B where they expect to work much of their adult lives–perhaps holding down a job, buying a home, and raising a family–but they continue to have family (parents, siblings, etc) in Country A and expect to eventually return there.
This is not a rare situation at all. I work in the IT industry which–in the US–is dominated by immigrants from India. India used to completely forbid dual citizenship but more recently–recognizing that the above scenario has become common–created something called Overseas Citizenship. An Indian citizen can become a US citizen now. Although they don’t retain full Indian citizenship, they can choose to keep a formal tie to India with a view to eventually moving back home and resuming Indian residency and citizenship.
Many Indian immigrants in the US are likely to have their own OMG moments when they realize that although India is now facilitating their return home, the US is doing everything they can to block it through FBARs, FATCA, and CBT enforcement.
In my case I live in the US as long I have siblings and/or parents in Canada, I want to be sure that I am guaranteed the right to enter Canada at any time, for any purpose, and for any length of time. Only Canadian citizenship accomplishes this. I may never need to move back there but it is extremely important to me to know that I can–much as one may hope one never needs health insurance but it is extremely important to know that you have it.
I’m sure many Brockers do feel stabbed in the back because for a number of years the USA did appear to be supporting the growing international trend to be more tolerant of dual citizenship–only to then stab its dual citizens (or the ones the US claimed as dual citizens) in the back with FATCA and new, aggressive, CBT enforcement.
@calgary411
Thank you for again sharing the situation with you, your son, and other families trapped in a similar situation.
I hope–especially since he doesn’t seem to have many other options in the short term–that your son is able to “fly under the radar” at least until the present lawsuit is able to strongly reaffirm his Canadian rights.
I have dual citizenship, and leery to renounce American citizenship. Why not? I’m a lot like 2terrified2sleep also, although I’ve been Canada only the past 25 years, arriving shortly after marriage. All my extended family (siblings, etc.) lives in (or is based in) the U.S. and if I ever was widowed or divorced, I’d need to move to get a better paying job, and would not want to rule out being near a family member. Unlike my husband, I’ve never been able to get a career in my own field here. In fact, several years ago, my husband tried to find a job back in the States and was unable to find anything better so we stayed put. And we are too afraid to give up U.S. passports (because of our American births) and be trapped, unable to attend a wedding or funeral in the U.S.
To this day, there are some aspects of Canada that remain foreign to me, for example: the French language (I’d learned Spanish), curling and hockey/ringette, and a lot of the Canadian political news, like Senate scandals. However, what is happening in the U.S.–civil forfeitures of family-and-privately owned properties, the NSA spying that continues despite Snowden’s warning, the housing foreclosures due to Wall Street’s greed, the enormous bail-outs for Wall Street, the inflated salaries for CEOs that averages 774% times the pay of full-time minimum wage earners*, plus the tyranny of FATCA on dual citizens–all of that is far more FOREIGN to me than anything happening here in Canada.
*see http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/4/15/executive-pay-compensationceoworkerratio.html
The America I remember of my childhood was one that was on the upswing. For example, they had dropped the military draft, the Civil Rights movement had been so successful that we were celebrating its champions Rosa Parks and MLK Jr., and the law signed by Bush Sr. gave ensured good access and special education guarantees for the disabled. Now the country is punishing her middle and working class citizens at home, and alienating all of us trying to get free of FATCA. Depending on the results of the ADCS lawsuit, we might be desperate enough to turn in our passports and renounce.
@Jan
Thanks for your comments. Hope you are managing OK without renouncing under the current regime!
Yes … it says it all