[We now have a NEW POST taking us up to February 1, 2015. This post will be retired from service.]
THE AUTUMN 2014 UPDATE
Dear Donors,
Together, we reached our goal of $100,000 to pay the November 1 legal bill 11 days ahead of schedule!
Thank you Canadian donors from coast to coast and our friends from around the world for your generosity, support and determination — and especially for not being afraid.
The name of our non-profit corporation is the “Alliance for the Defence of Canadian Sovereignty.”
We were very deliberate in including in our name the word “sovereignty”, which forms a cornerstone of our Claims against the Government of Canada.
Canada and dozens of other countries throughout the world gave into a bully because their “leaders” were afraid of harm caused by a trading “partner” — and they gave their sovereignties away.
Help us convince by example the Leaders and Governments of all countries worldwide that they should return their sovereignties back to their Peoples.
Please continue to support our lawsuit.
“Alone we can do so little. Together we can do so much.” (Helen Keller)
— Plaintiffs Ginny and Gwen, and the ADCS-ADSC team
Chers donateurs,
Ensemble, nous avons atteint notre but d’amasser 100 000 $ pour payer notre facture légale du 1er novembre 11 jours d’avance !
Un gros merci à vous, donateurs canadiens, et à nos amis de tous les coins du monde pour votre grande générosité, soutien et détermination. Et surtout pour votre courage.
Le nom de notre organisme sans but lucratif est « l’Alliance pour la défense de la souveraineté canadienne ».
Nous avons choisi délibérément le mot « souveraineté » puisqu’il constitue la base fondamentale de nos revendications envers le gouvernement du Canada.
Le Canada et des dizaines d’autres pays se sont pliés devant l’intimidation des États-Unis parce que leurs « leaders » ont eu peur des menaces de notre « partenaire » commercial. Ils ont donc vendu leur souveraineté à rabais.
Aidez-nous à convaincre les dirigeants et les gouvernements de tous ces pays qu’ils se doivent de remettre leur souveraineté à leurs peuples.
S’il vous plaît, continuez à soutenir notre cause.
« Seuls, nous pouvons faire si peu. Ensemble, nous pouvons faire beaucoup. » (Helen Keller)
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Can you imagine the terrifying dilemma that “US Persons” find themselves in if they are living anywhere in the Middle East or Indonesia right now? With their banks and other financial organizations gathering all the indicia to prove that they are indeed “US Persons” … does anyone really believe that these files are secure from people like ISIS / ISIL ? Good Grief …. just how stupid are the US Bureaucrats / Law Makers !?!
Ditto for Latin America where I’ve no doubt that the Zetas and FARC have already reserved their copies of FATCA reporting files.
Uncle Sam’s hypocrisy gets deeper every day.
Feds Punish Business For Engaging In ‘Citizenship-Discrimination’
http://news.yahoo.com/feds-punish-business-engaging-citizenship-discrimination-155039606.html
@bdwight – Good Point ! and every criminal gang wanting some leverage against America ……
@badger
I wondered on another thread ….. whether we’ll see the enactment of a “Fugitive USPerson” or “Fugitive US Citizen Act” similar to the Fugitive Slave Acts.
Schumer and Levin will create something and give it a name that deputizes everyone on the planet to hunt down hidden Americans and hand them over to Uncle Sam.
@JDL – that is exactly what is being built.
@nervousinvestor
I recently read an article about Russian banks receiving fake IRS/Treasury requests to provide FATCA related data on US persons. I seriously doubt if every bank around the world will be able to distinguish between fake and genuine requests. If they sound official and threatening enough, they’re likely to be deemed legitimate and the data will be provided — with who knows what for consequences for the affected individuals.
“On 1 July 2014 over 300 million Americans living in the US or abroad lost the right to cash out of the US, move abroad, and not be tracked by the US Government.”
That’s essence of what’s happened here.
@notamused – I fear that this sort of leakage to criminal and POLITICAL gangsters will be a natural outflow from the FATCA nonsense …. I pray that FATCA will be stopped BUT sadly a lot of people’s information will already have been gathered and possibly leaked before the court cases can wind their ways through the legal systems.
I find that sometimes my posts take a long time to appear …. indeed I do not see may last post at all yet. I wonder if there is some sort of interception or filter my comments are going through. I will have to change my name I think.
@not amused – trying again …. I fear that the damage will have been done to millions around the world who will have been put at severe risk to life and property before these legal cases can wind their way through the courts … is this an argument for an immediate injunction ?
@ nervousinvestor,
I just found your 9:17 comment and put it on the thread. It had been caught by the spam filter. Sorry about that. I have no clue why it did that. Your comments are most welcome here! They should be appearing right away as well — that has me puzzled too.
Thank you pacifica777. I am sure the battle against Spam is a daily one …. I prefer your filter catching me in error rather than thinking that someone in a three letter agency might be blocking my comments.
@JDL RE ==> Feds Punish Business For Engaging In ‘Citizenship-Discrimination’
OMG! That just goes to show us how stupid they think we are…
@LivingToRenounce – You got it !
If anyone has access to the BBC iPlayer, watch Horizon this week.
Here’s what FATCA has left us open to:
– 3rd party contractor or bank employee steals FATCA data
– goes online using Tor to posts for sale ‘names of Americans with private financial data for UK’ on dark web trading sites
– someone buys data using Bitcoin
– job done transaction is done completely anonymously
All sorts of contraband is being sold this way, credit card details, drugs, etc.
Implications – Wealthy targets kidnapping or extortion, killings by total strangers, middle class ex-pats find their bank accounts emptied out, ability to build a picture of someone’s life using other websites, etc, etc.
The real danger of ready made lists of Americans abroad is with terrorists, but more commonly it lays with data merchants who steal data to sell it online.
My earlier posts in a last few weeks demonstrated how easy it was to take an uncommon name cross check with Linkedin and presto I know the person, possibly have a photo, and the name of their employer. That post was researching the backgrounds of some of the people who had renounced.
It was said on this programme that privacy and potential are tied together. FATCA definitely limits ex-pat’s potential outside of the US.
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@Don
Is this the episode you are talking about? If it is, it can be found on YouTube.
John Richardson is interviewed here: http://www.newstalk770.com/audio-on-demand-2/. Put in “September 3, 1:00 p.m.” to listen.
…and Deckard has put it up on YouTube under Isaac Brock Society and here as a post: http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2014/09/03/john-richardson-interviewed-by-dave-taylor-of-calgarys-chqr-news-talk-770/
@ Stephen
Glad Twig#4 arrived safely. I hope eventually, with Eurotwig’s twigs and a whole lot of twigs, branches and logs from others, we can build an ADCS beaver dam to stop the FATCA flow. It’s always running through my mind that once data is released it can never be retrieved and with the IRS as a recipient you can never be sure what they will do with it, when they will do it, where else they will send it and who else might nefariously tap into it. All we know is why they want it and the key word is CONTROL. Dam the damn FATCA flow! Surgite!
Not sure where to put this. Maybe we need a BS thread?
Harper Government Helps Ensure Consumers Are Informed About Their Banking
http://www.fin.gc.ca/n14/14-115-eng.asp
Read http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/09/05/christians-arm-as-middle-east-perils-mount/
Yet another reason why FATCA and all this disclosure of people’s private lives is a very very dangerous policy.
Bubbles
I saw your comment that we needed a BS thread and I was thinking what accronym was that for
Then it dawned on me
If you are looking for more effects on Canada, it looks like Indian Asset Management Companies have just decided to lock all Canadian residents (not just people with US indica) out of investing in them, ostensibly because of FATCA. Does this make sense to anyone?
http://www.financialexpress.com/news/amcs-stop-accepting-money-from-us-investors-as-tough-law-bites/1285737
More BS from the compliance industrial complex in Canada wholly unconcerned about the Charter, the Constitution, the harm to Canadians and the taxpayers and accountholders who’ll be on the hook forever and ever at the hands of the US Treasury holding the FATCA fishing rod in Canadian waters:
Nightingale of MNP
claims that:
‘FATCA is Not Your Enemy’
…..”………..What’s really important is that the information exchange doesn’t change any individual’s obligation. Americans living in Canada always had to file U.S. returns. FATCA just makes it easier for the IRS to find these people.
Bottom line: I think the IGA will be upheld.
As a practical matter, this will be a good thing. The costs to the Canadian banking industry will be much higher without it.”……..
http://www.mnp.ca/en/media-centre/blog/2014/9/5/fatca-is-not-your-enemy
Another compliancer who has no expertise in Canadian constitutional law, yet expresses an uninformed opinion on whether the IGA will withstand a legal challenge in Canada.
Also, repeats the red herring that the FATCA IGA and implementing legislation doesn’t change any obligation that those deemed by the US to be ‘USTaxablePersons’ already have in the eyes of the US. EXCEPT that FATCA is meant to ferret them out. Well he should read the paper by Arthur Cockfield and Allison Christians ( Christians, Allison and Cockfield, Arthur J., Submission to Finance Department on Implementation of FATCA in Canada (March 10, 2014). Available at SSRN: http://ssrn.com/abstract=2407264 or http://dx.doi.org/10.2139/ssrn.2407264 ). And to merely repeat what a foreign country – the US asserts inside its own borders does not confer legitimacy or convert it into Canadian law inside Canada’s jurisdiction. Eritrea says Canadians of Eritrean descent owe it money too and demands they pay up, but I don’t see Kevyn urging them to pay up as an ‘existing obligation’ binding on Canadians.
Kevyn hasn’t done his homework, isn’t a lawyer, isn’t a lawyer versed in Canadian constitutional law, and should be listening to Allison Christians:
“There are long-standing limitations on how we and how countries generally react to the revenue and penal laws of other countries. We call these limitations the “revenue rule”. The revenue rule says that Canada won’t lend assistance to the U.S. to collect U.S. debts of people who were Canadian citizens when the debts arose. Period, full stop, no qualifications. To amplify this point, Canada does not assist in tax collection in any case unless the U.S. tax claim has been finally determined after a full measure of due process. Put this another way, we have a long history of not assisting or allowing other countries to engage in revenue collection activities in Canada for their own tax purposes.The U.S. has a very similar, if not stricter position.
But FATCA, as reflected in the bill before us today, tells us to ferret out our own citizens as likely U.S. tax debtors and present them and their financial resources to our most important treaty partner in an agreement of dubious status that may not even be a tax treaty. The bill suggests that this will be done in furtherance of the existing tax treaty. It goes significantly further. It forces us to ask ourselves how we can open our citizens and their money to the U.S., yet claims this does not constitute lending assistance. Canada must protect Canadians, and that is what the lending assistance rule and the limits on information disclosure do. They assert that the U.S. should have no enforceable tax claim that should be assisted by Canada on Canadians.
We need to make clear we won’t take part in any enforcement in any form of assistance, whether it be in information or collection when ·it comes to Canadian citizens. I believe that is the spirit in which the government has accepted the terms of FATCA in the bill before the committee today, but this spirit must be reflected in the law. We cannot use a phrase like “information gathering” to blind ourselves to what is really occurring. Information sharing is not the end, it is the beginning. Our information exchange must also comply with Canadian law concerning when Canadian tax officials may divulge confidential taxpayer information. The law is not ambiguous: an official may disclose protected taxpayer information when we have agreed to do so under a tax treaty or other listed international agreement and not otherwise.
FATCA as implemented in Bill C-31 is not a tax treaty in U.S. law, nor is it a protocol to our tax treaty. Indeed, I am not sure what it is and I am not alone. Lawsuits have been initiated in the U.S. on this point and the issue is far from resolved…….. ”
http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?DocId=6597204&Language=E&Mode=1#Int-8358576
Amazing that CPAs and others with vested interests and without credentials purport to not only state whether this suit has merit, but also predicts the outcome, and dismiss Charter and human rights of Canadians within Canadian jurisdiction as of no moment or merit.
Another reason to fund this challenge and see it to success.
Thank you, badger, for highlighting that CPA compliance industry benefactor of *US Person Abroad* US tax compliance dollars, Kevyn Nightingale, is NOT a lawyer, let alone does he have expertise in Canadian constitutional law.
Yes,
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