[We now have a NEW POST taking us up to February 1, 2015. This post will be retired from service.]
THE AUTUMN 2014 UPDATE
Dear Donors,
Together, we reached our goal of $100,000 to pay the November 1 legal bill 11 days ahead of schedule!
Thank you Canadian donors from coast to coast and our friends from around the world for your generosity, support and determination — and especially for not being afraid.
The name of our non-profit corporation is the “Alliance for the Defence of Canadian Sovereignty.”
We were very deliberate in including in our name the word “sovereignty”, which forms a cornerstone of our Claims against the Government of Canada.
Canada and dozens of other countries throughout the world gave into a bully because their “leaders” were afraid of harm caused by a trading “partner” — and they gave their sovereignties away.
Help us convince by example the Leaders and Governments of all countries worldwide that they should return their sovereignties back to their Peoples.
Please continue to support our lawsuit.
“Alone we can do so little. Together we can do so much.” (Helen Keller)
— Plaintiffs Ginny and Gwen, and the ADCS-ADSC team
Chers donateurs,
Ensemble, nous avons atteint notre but d’amasser 100 000 $ pour payer notre facture légale du 1er novembre 11 jours d’avance !
Un gros merci à vous, donateurs canadiens, et à nos amis de tous les coins du monde pour votre grande générosité, soutien et détermination. Et surtout pour votre courage.
Le nom de notre organisme sans but lucratif est « l’Alliance pour la défense de la souveraineté canadienne ».
Nous avons choisi délibérément le mot « souveraineté » puisqu’il constitue la base fondamentale de nos revendications envers le gouvernement du Canada.
Le Canada et des dizaines d’autres pays se sont pliés devant l’intimidation des États-Unis parce que leurs « leaders » ont eu peur des menaces de notre « partenaire » commercial. Ils ont donc vendu leur souveraineté à rabais.
Aidez-nous à convaincre les dirigeants et les gouvernements de tous ces pays qu’ils se doivent de remettre leur souveraineté à leurs peuples.
S’il vous plaît, continuez à soutenir notre cause.
« Seuls, nous pouvons faire si peu. Ensemble, nous pouvons faire beaucoup. » (Helen Keller)
— Ginny, Gwen et toute l’équipe de l’ADCS-ADSC
DONATE to www.adcs-adsc.ca (ADSC en français).
There has got to be a way we can get this issue in every household even without the media. We know the media has been told this issue is taboo and even has some people like Andrew Lawton at am980 too scared to do a show on it. We need to get out in the public somehow… we need ideas.
ADCS and IBS should be mentioned every time somebody gives an interview for an article. ADCS and IBS should also be mentioned in the comments below news articles/op-eds as often as possible.
The ADSC lawsuit will be like the first shots fired at Lexington and Concord the morning of April 19th, 1775.
@NativeCanadian
I don’t think that widespread publicity is needed in the short term. What is needed in the short term is getting the lawsuit started, which–at least based on info posted here–seems to require possibly some amount of additional money between $0 and $70,000–and some additional plaintiffs. In other words what is needed in the short term is a small number of very committed people–not necessarily nationwide publicity. Sometimes a certain amount of stealth mode is needed or at least is a good idea.
Right now it is the summer with a big summer long weekend coming up in Canada (not the USA sadly 🙂 ). This is not the time to get people excited about talking about tax issues. The Canadian, IRS, and FBAR filing deadlines are all now passed for this year.
When we hit next year’s tax filing season (ie early 2015) will be a good opportunity to attract widespread interest. It will be the first filing season under FATCA–and also the first US tax filing season with Obamacare fully in place. Plus the US debt ceiling will be hit again with a newly elected Congress all around the same time. People will be focused on these issues in large numbers in early 2015 and that–IMHO–will be the time for widespread publicity.
The key–again IMHO–will be to have the lawsuit in place by then so people have something tangible to give them a starting point for something to support when public anger is aroused on a large scale.
@Dash1729
I disagree with your argument of dragging out the initiation of the lawsuit. I also disagree with trying to raise funds in a low profile manner. That means less people will be required to donate more money, hardly a good way to raise funds and can quickly lead to “donor fatigue” whereby people lose interest because they don’t believe the lawsuit is ever going to happen. That would be all too convenient for the powers that be.
You wrote:
“When we hit next year’s tax filing season (ie early 2015) will be a good opportunity to attract widespread interest. It will be the first filing season under FATCA–and also the first US tax filing season with Obamacare fully in place. Plus the US debt ceiling will be hit again with a newly elected Congress all around the same time.”
If you were referring to Jim Bopp’s lawsuit (if it ever happens), then I could perhaps follow your logic. However, this lawsuit is being made in Canada, not the US. Therefore, I don’t see how the Canadian judicial process is dependent on US public opinion.
If I am missing something please let everyone know because I am fairly sure others will feel the same way.
Some of those expatriating will be filing last US returns from ‘abroad’ – for example, from inside Canada, and have filed the form 4868 extensions that would take them to the October 15 deadline for 1040s. And there will be those getting their accompanying 8854 in with it as well http://hodgen.com/when-to-file-form-8854/ http://hodgen.com/when-to-file-form-8854-2
What better way to commemorate/celebrate that last 1040, and the send off of the execrable 8854 than with a donation to ADCS? And after sending off the donation – raise a toast to the noble quest of putting the ‘long may (she) reign’ back in Canadian sovereignty and the receipt of coveted freedom papers (the CLN).
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@Joe Blow
Wow.
I am not at all arguing for a delay in the start of the lawsuit. Quite the contrary: I am suggesting that the lawsuit start as soon as possible so that the lawsuit can move along as far as possible before this attracts widespread publicity.
Remember, though, that I follow the numbers closely and base both my opinions and my own giving accordingly. Originally we were told we needed $250,000 to start the lawsuit. The most recent numbers were that only $70,000 or less still needs to be raised. This implies that at least $180,000, or 72% of the total needed, has already been raised–and that less than 28% of the amount needed to start the lawsuit is still needed. So STARTING the lawsuit should be something that can be done with the existing people or a small number of additional donors but not necessarily the support of an entire country.
That is my analysis based on what has been posted on here.
Yes some will probably file on Oct 15 with the 6-month extension but many, many “US persons” will have their OMG moment next tax filing season–but not until then.
I don’t want to wait until Apr 15, 2015 or even until Oct 15, 2014 to start this lawsuit. I am speaking from a sense of urgency to start a lawsuit to which I have already donated some of my own money–not from a desire to delay anything. I want the lawsuit to start NOW.
@Joe Blow
BTW–who’s Jim Bopp? Is he connected with the lawsuit effort that Solomon Yue is involved with or are those two different efforts?
@Stephen Kish
“Any individual plaintiff must have the support of their spouse/significant other.”
I’m not a lawyer so I will ultimately defer to the lawyers as to who makes a good plaintiff.
However my layman’s reaction is that the above leaves out an important category of plaintiff: the person who doesn’t have the support of their spouse because they are going through a divorce–and the whole reason they are going through a divorce is because of FATCA.
@Dash – obviously what Stephen means is that he does no want the legal challenge to CAUSE a divorce by having plaintiffs who are, to date, happily married but would not be supported by the spouse in becoming a plaintiff.
@Dash. I disagree with your opinion as we all are entitled to one. If this gets widespread publicity, this will open the door to many many more who will make donations to this cause. If people can be educated to see how dirty the government was in causing the loss of Canadian sovereignty, they might give a dam.If we can show the people what this will cost ALL Canadians along with the fact that it was done behind the public’s back, this might cause an uproar. We as Canadians need to stand up together. Alone or in small groups will get defeated. I would love to stand in a public place and just shout out loud how Canada is in a pure dictatorship with no possible way the public can stop the government unless the public has more money than the government. We are paying for both sides here which is wrong! A portion of our taxed income is going against us(Canadians) and this should not happen. I am still solid on the fact that we need to get this out there. United we stand, divided we lose period.
@NativeCanadian
“Alone or in small groups will get defeated.”
Well the premise of a lawsuit is that a small group of highly committed people CAN make a difference and that is the premise I’m supporting both with my money and potentially my time and personal risk if my offer to be a plaintiff is accepted.
As for Harper being a dictator, that started when he prorogued Parliament–which was before FATCA–and people didn’t get sufficiently outraged then to actually do anything, so I’m not holding my breath on the chances for broad public action. I’m putting my own hopefully smart time and money on the chances for a small group to make a difference. But you are welcome to try inspiring people on a broader scale.
I do however feel that significantly more so-called “US persons” will come on board once we get into the next tax filing season. Not anywhere close to all of Canada–but a significant number.
@dash
The last couple of articles I’ve seen that mentioned the ADCS lawsuit stated that the goal is to raise 1.5M CAD in order to get through all three levels of court. 1.5M CAD cannot be raised by stealth.
The fund raising effort needs to reach out to the 7.6M Americans residing outside the homeland as well as affected people living in the states. The centre of gravity may currently be in Canada, but people need to be mobilised from everywhere and similar lawsuits in other countries encouraged and supported as well.
@JoeBlow
“1.5M CAD cannot be raised by stealth.”
No of course not.
The first stages should be completed in stealth mode so that you get a core critical mass of committed people. Then you go public to attract broader support.
@Dash, JoeBlow,
I think you are both basically saying the same thing. Yes, we need to start the Charter Challenge ASAP, and yes, we need more money now and in future, and yes we need more publicity now and in future.
I think Dash is spot on “The first stages should be completed in stealth mode so that you get a core critical mass of committed people. Then you go public to attract broader support.”
Filing the lawsuit will develop publicity and attract money….
Your “small group” will need to be rich people. A small group of average people will NOT have the money to get things going… sorry, but I disagree with Dash……. You will need donations from everyone… you’ll see!
@White Kat
We are not saying the same thing. Dash thinks the issue should be kept in stealth mode and anti-FATCA / anti-CBT movement small until some later point in time. I disagree.
Stealth mode doesn’t make any sense for fund raising nor does keeping the movement small. More people means more money and more attention to the cause, which is what the adversary does not want. The only party who benefits from keeping the issue quiet and the movement small is the US.
@JoeBlow
We’ve all been screaming bloody murder to the best of our abilities, from the mountaintops for months and some of us for years now. Did Dash really mean to suggest that we stop doing this? I did not get that overall impression from what he wrote despite some of his word choices, but maybe I misunderstood.
I got the impression that Dash was emphasizing that our focus first and foremost right NOW (as in days, not weeks or months) is to raise that 70K or so that is needed to at least get the Charter Challenge off the ground, as that is the most critical move to make NOW. The sooner we sneak up and ‘surprise’ them with it (which is kind of a stealth move), the better. Once the lawsuit is launched, then we need to focus on going like gang busters to raise the rest of the funds which of course will require more publicity which the launching of the Charter should help to generate.
Dash, is that what you were saying, more or less?
Re: funding.
I posted this on the thread about the cost for financial institutions complying with FATCA.
Here is an interesting idea. Can we get ADCS funding from the financial institutions? It could be a point of a bank wrapping themselves in the Canadian flag while portraying other banks as wrapped in the American flag. If a bank pulls this off it could be a huge PR coup for that bank.
Is ADCS open to such funding source to elevate them from their grassroots challenge and get significant funding? It still could be controlled by the grassroots, and this should be a point of insistence.
Why wouldn’t a bank give a significant sum to ADCS? Of course there is the money, yet compared to FATCA compliance cost and the welcoming of USG to add to those costs unopposed at any time in the future, a small sum to support ADCS would be trivial (yet could be quite big for ADCS).
They might get singled out by the US. If they are compliant then they should not be. They might have a “foot in each pond.” Let’s remember the Canadian and US governments gave the banks no choice but to comply.
Other banks will not like them. Especially, if they take customers from them.
The Canadian Government may not like them – supporting a legal case against the government. The government has legal cases against them all the time. Plus there will be supporters in Parliament for this.
What if it all succeeds well and FATCA gets overturned. Do we really think that the US will shut the Canadian financial system down? What a bully! Canada can say the plan was ill conceived from the start trampling on privacy, discrimination, and human rights laws. Then the government should pursue legal action against the U.S. to overturn the laws and for compensation for damages, And, Canada should insist that FATCA be reviewed by the U.S. Senate – as is the law of the United States for international treaties.
@Dash1729 re: Jim Bopp. We have heard of a legal challenge to FATCA south of the border. A key difference is is that ADCS is controlled by a grassroots effort while the American one while supported by the Republican Party is political. While ADCS will go ahead the American one may dither and be held hostage by politics. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/5/superlawyer-jim-bopp-takes-on-mccain-backed-tax-ac/?page=all
@WhiteKat
Yes that is more or less what I was saying. 🙂
@JC That is a good place to start. Just imagine the support we would get from the Credit union shareholders(customers) once they find out, which will be very soon. I would tend to think that there could be substantial donations for this cause once this is shown as a valid option. Is it possible to do public ADCS fundraising? Those fundraisers, if allowed, could be informative to others who have not heard…..
This will show the “clear” flow of money from people’s personal accounts held in credit unions, right into the hands of the United States and the only thing to stop it is to help fight them with the ADCS court charter challenge…. seems clear to me…
Please see updated post.
We just formally retained our constitutional litigator and now have another beginning. All of you made this possible.
In a few days we will provide timelines and costs required to keep the litigation going.
Thank you for your trust.
Stephen
Hallelujah!!!
Wonderful News!