I have just become aware of this information via Twitter. As someone asked which Consulate would be closest, I thought it might be helpful to post all of the Consulates and the Embassy in one location. I have no idea whether this is the situation at any of the other Canadian locations.
If anyone is aware of any similar information, please post it.
Embassy:
Ottawa covers the areas of:
Eastern Ontario (Kingston, Lanark, Leeds, Prescott, Renfrew, Russell and Stormont); and those parts of the Québec regions of Outaouais and Abitibi-Témiscamingue near Ottawa.
Info
Consulates:
Vancouver:
British Columbia and Yukon Territory
Info
Calgary
Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba and Northwest Territories
Info
Winnipeg:
Emergency Services Only. For Visa and other services contact the Calgary office
Info
Toronto:
Ontario (except for areas East of Kingston, which are included in the Ottawa consular district)
Info
Montreal:
Greater Montreal and the regions of southern Quebec province (Laurentides, Lanaudiere, Laval, Montreal, Montregie, Estrie, and the southern parts of Centre-du-Quebec); including Drummondville
Info
Quebec City:
Those regions of Quebec province to the north and east of the Montreal and Ottawa Districts (indicated above), plus the territory of
Nunavut
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Halifax:
Atlantic Canada (New Brunswick, Newfoundland and Labrador, Nova Scotia and P.E.I.) and the French islands of St. Pierre & Miquelon.
Info
I know this has been commented in a hundred places before but: if Toronto alone has 150 – 170 “slots” per month for renunciations and relinquishments, then this ONE consulate should be processing 1800 per year. With only 3,000 admitted renunciations worldwide on the name and shame list last year, it is pretty clear that something is rotten in the State of Denmark as far as the integrity of that list is concerned. If ONE single consulate is saying “no mas” as far as appointments this year is concerned while published accounts suggest that we are on a SLOWER pace this year, I can only conclude that the published list is wildly inaccurate. Whether that is deliberate policy or just coincidence, I shall let others ponder.
I’ve been thinking about using a reaffirmation of my Canadian citizenship as an ex-patriating act for relinquishment. Has anyone else tried this?
Yes, for those not knowing the inside joke, renounce is the word, and just this week on DA facebook a commenter first said that a Brocker commenter’s grammar was bad, and in the same sentence said “why don’t you denounce?”
@ALostSoul – reaching into my memory here, I would say “yes and no” re reaffirmation being an expatriation event. The relevant US Statute clearly says only perform stipulated acts (including oath of allegiance to a foreign state) as being sufficient to shed the unwanted US baggage. There is no requirement for a CLN (that is a tax code thing only, and only a recent requirement). That being said, when I researched this a little while ago, I did see some old post WWII cases that suggested the oath had to be significant and carry consequences. This was in the context of treason trials involving Tokyo Rose-types who went to Germany (or Tokyo) to do broadcasts for the wrong side. They sought to escape treason by alleging that they had been stripped of US citizenship by virtue of whatever oath to Der Fuhrer they had had to take before picking up a microphone and going on the air. I can’t say if the law is good or bad or would be followed today – I can only say that it is out there. It certainly adds a gloss to the four corners of the statute that the Act does not have. So I would say arguable case that it works, but some bad precedents to fight.
I DO think something like that ought to be more than sufficient to satisfy a Canadian bank looking for a CLN or “other satisfactory” evidence of non-US Personhood. Not their job to penetrate the finer points of US citizenship jurisprudence if they have enough before them to satisfy their due dilligence obligation. A Canadian passport and a notarial certificate that I have relinquished and, for greater certainty, hereby renounce over and over again until someone listens to me should be enough for a Canadian bank that is not looking for awards in being a Quisling.
I re-affirmed my Canadian citizenship and got a commemorative certificate saying that sometime before I officially renounced in 2012. It was probably, for me since that was not a legal document, the satisfaction that I got in doing so with 100 other New Canadians from around the world. But, why for heaven’s sake, could re-affirmation of our allegiance to Canada not be an expatriating act? For those of us who know our minds and do not wish to ever return to the US to live, why can’t the US and Canada make this happen? Why can the US not give a REAL amnesty to those who know their mind and their wish to no longer be a US citizen? What is the difference (other than the legalities) in the act of reaffirming citizenship to those who have been permanent residents in Canada and now are able to apply for Canadian citizenship and have that as their relinquishing act? We are both by doing so affirming our allegiance to Canada.
We have finalized plans for a Christmas trip to Vancouver, so today I sent an email to the Vancouver embassy to try to book an appointment for me for relinquishment while we are there. We live in London ON. I will let you know if I get a response or an appointment.
I don’t seen how some consulates can refuse appointments for those not living in the consular district. State Department manual 7 FAM 1210 clearly states:
I emailed my request to renounce to the Calgary Consulate August 16 and the consulate replied with a date for September 12. When my Mom requested hers in March she received a date for May.
On June 25 I needed an appointment to get a social security number and could get an appointment the last week of July. I checked the website 2 days later and I could get an appointment July 3.
I think the Calgary Consulate has opened up more office space as on July I went to a different floor than my mother did in May.
Thanks for that Calgary U.S. Consulate information, Smurfy. That is encouraging and helpful for folks who gather information here.
Thanks @pacifica and Trish for the recollection and link re the past numbers of citizens services appts at Toronto. The peak of aprox. 200 max per month sticks in my mind. I checked regularly partly to give notice to readers of IBS, but partly in anticipation.
Is there any requirement that renunciation take place at a US Consulate in your country of residence? My friend who lives full time in Toronto is ready to book his renunciation appointment but is going to be in Mexico City for the next three months. Does anyone know if he can have his renunciation appointment at the US Consulate in Mexico instead of in Canada?
I’m relieved that I and my 2 daughters renounced in Vancouver in Nov/Dec 2013 and we have all now received our CLNs but it took over 6 months for mine to arrive, one daughter received hers in 2 months and the other in 4 months … and the timing of receipt of the CLNs did not correspond with the order in which we renounced. Doesn’t seem to be any rhyme or reason to how/when they get processed as far as I can tell.
@Clevegirl
I believe that you are able to renounce at any US Consulate worldwide, although some may set their own local rules. A phone call or email should clarify the situation at any particular location.
@purekiwi
Thanks for your reply. Much appreciated.
I wonder if US consulates are going to bother to contact people who have appointments post Sept. 12 to let them know the renunciation fee has quintupled. I can just picture people turning up with $450 in their pockets, after having waited months for an appointment, only to find out that they can’t pay the fee.
@notamused
There’s going to be a lot of upset, angry people showing up on Sept 12. This situation is awful. Their disdain for us is undeniable. It’s mutual.
@notamused and @bubblebustin;
re those arriving expecting to pay 450. US for the pleasure of excising US citizenship – (remembering that it was FREE until 2010).
What will happen to them?
If those renunciants were like me and mine, we would have to have taken out a loan to pay it at all, and also would not have been able to pay on the spot without making those prior arrangements – as our credit card limit is far lower than that. So will they just r/eject them?
Would make for a really good story in the media. And provide robust corroboration for the international human rights complaint.
@badger
Thanks for pointing that out; am going to pass on to a few journalists
@notamused
I had an email from the embassy today to say that I would have to pay the higher fee as my appointment is after 12 September. I would imagine everyone with an appointment after the cut off date will be getting the same standard email.
I just heard from a credible source that at least one person was notified of the change in an email last week.
@Verity
Thanks for letting us know.