I wonder when the arses that are leading the various nations of the world will stand up to the United States. For one, the Canadian government has claimed that they are powerless to change US law, and so they are working on an IGA to sell out Canadian citizens to the IRS. Why don’t they invoke international law? Because they don’t have the balls, and until our leaders each get a pair, they are not worthy of our support. The law in question is the Master Nationality Rule. Here is an excerpt from a blog which shows that both FATCA and citizenship-based taxation are illegal according to international law (emphasis mine):
While nationality laws can be rather straight forward to those who lived in their native countries and never emigrated it can be confusing to those whose families had emigrated to different places over the generation or in a few cases those who marry people from different countries.
What many are unaware of is that there is something under International treaties called The Master Nationality Rule. It is listed under Article 4 of The Hague Convention on Certain Questions Relating to the Conflict of Nationality Laws of 1930. In terms of practical effect, it means that when a citizen is in the country of one of his two or more nationalities, that country has the right to treat that person as if he or she were solely a citizen or national of that country. This includes the right to impose military service obligations, require the person to enter and or exit the country using the country’s documentations, or to require an exit permit or other restrictions to leave the country. If any of the above is an issue there is little if anything the consulate of the person’s other country of citizenship can do as the Master Nationality Rule states that “a State may not afford diplomatic protection to one of its nationals against a state whose nationality such person also possesses.” The UK Home Office explains this rule as “the practical effect of this Article is that where a person is a national of, for example, two States (A and B), and is in the territory of State A, then State B has no right to claim that person as its national or to intervene on that person’s behalf.
Essentially what this means is that the United States may only ask other nations to kindly apply FATCA to US citizens who are resident in the US. Furthermore, the US may not “protect” its citizens abroad who have a second nationality, and therefore, they do not have the right to tax them–i.e., this is the basis for the illegality of citizenship-based taxation. So e.g., a Canadian living in Canada is only Canadian according to the Master Nationality Rule. For the Canadian government to discriminate against so-called US persons living in Canada would be a violation of the Canadian Charter of Rights article 15 as well, so that capitulation to FATCA would violate both international law and Canadian law. This means that Canada was right to send the Eritrean diplomats away from the country for imposing citizenship-based taxation on Eritrean expats living in Canada. And Canada would be right to tell the Yanks to take a hike. But our leadership, unfortunately, does not have the balls to stand up to the Americans. We need them to invoke international law and we need them to stand up to this bully now. The current waffling and weak posturing of the Canadian government has already caused serious damage to Canadian citizens.
Finally, for those smart lawyerish people out there that say international law has no validity in the United States: Stuff that view where the sun doesn’t shine! When running for president, Obama promised that he would honour international law, but he has done the opposite. So international law is an American ideal to which they give lip-service, but their actual policies, like FATCA, require generous spritzing of Poopourri. International law is a pillar of global peace. Under international law, nations learn to get along, and it is a significant instrument for the protection and honour of the sovereignty of nations. Disrespect for international law leads to war. If the US wants to avoid war with every nation in the world, then it must relent from this evil course of action. But already, FATCA is an economic war game that the US is playing. How long will it be before the US begins to threaten to use its military might including its nuclear arsenal against the peaceful nations of the world which at one time, like Canada and Britain, were its allies?
@ChearsBIgEars
The USA will hopefully postpone or repeal FATCA. We must be aware of our enemies. – those IRS Propaganda artists you speak of so we can collectively think the best way of dealing with them.
Remember the USA has a lot of military might. This is their specialty. I just don’t want them invading Canada .
http://www.juancole.com/2014/01/america-black-countries.html
There will be no delays LOLOL
Here is how propaganda works;
KNOW THE MIND OF YOUR ENEMY FOLKS
http://www.psywarrior.com/Goebbels.html
and these juicy quotes from the master of propaganda himself
“It would not be impossible to prove with sufficient repetition and a psychological understanding of the people concerned that a square is in fact a circle. They are mere words, and words can be molded until they clothe ideas and disguise.”
― Joseph Goebbels
“Think of the press as a great keyboard
on which the government can play.”
― Joseph Goebbels
“Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place…”
― Joseph Goebbels
“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly – it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.”
― Joseph Goebbels
“If the day should ever come when we must go, if some day we are compelled to leave the scene of history, we will slam the door so hard that the universe will shake and mankind will stand back in stupefaction..”
― Joseph Goebbels
“That propaganda is good which leads to success, and that is bad which fails to achieve the desired result. It is not propaganda’s task to be intelligent, its task is to lead to success.”
― Joseph Goebbels
“Man is and remains an animal.Here a beast of prey, there a housepet, but always an animal.”
― Joseph Goebbels
On Obamacare:
“Our starting point is not the individual:
We do not subscribe to the view that one should feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, or clothe the naked … Our objectives are different: We must have a healthy people in order to prevail in the world.”
― Joseph Goebbels
“Success is the important thing. Propaganda is not a matter for average minds, but rather a matter for practitioners. It is not supposed to be lovely or theoretically correct. I do not care if I give wonderful, aesthetically elegant speeches, or speak so that women cry. The point of a political speech is to persuade people of what we think right. I speak differently in the provinces than I do in Berlin, and when I speak in Bayreuth, I say different things than I say in the Pharus Hall. That is a matter of practice, not of theory. We do not want to be a movement of a few straw brains, but rather a movement that can conquer the broad masses. Propaganda should be popular, not intellectually pleasing. It is not the task of propaganda to discover intellectual truths.”
― Joseph Goebbels
“We shall go down in history as the greatest statesmen of all time,or as the greatest criminals”
― Joseph Goebbels
“Every age that has historical status is governed by aristocracies.
Aristocracy with the meaning – the best are ruling.
Peoples do never govern themselves. That lunacy was concocted by liberalism. Behind its “people’s sovereignty” the slyest cheaters are hiding, who don’t want to be recognized.”
― Joseph Goebbels
Folks, wake up, we are the same people the Germans persecuted and sent to their death by getting them onto trains the people thought were leading them to a better place. Sorry to say this but we need to give up any illusion propagated by the scum in Washington that we are of any value to them except to occupy the malls. The times they are a changing and there is a new enemy. Seriously it is time to flee the USA immediately. The Jews that survived Hitler got out early when they saw the writing on the wall.
@northern star
why would they invade us? They have owned us for years in my opinion. Our sovereignty is an illusion that died after the Chretien years. Chretien was the last PM with guts to say no to the USA (Iraq)
@ChearsBigEars
Don’t forget Martin…he kept our bank system from becoming like the US bank system.
I am not going to give up. It ain’t over yet.
Goebbels may have said some interesting things but his country lost the war.
“We shall go down in history as the greatest statesmen of all time,or as the greatest criminals”
― Joseph Goebbels
The US Treasury is deluding themselves if they think that FATCA is the final solution to offshore tax evasion.
George, maybe you are right. Here in Europe you use the social security # which is the same I guess. Yes, here one only pays taxes to the country one lives in. I am researching the consequences of turning in my passport. Ironically 6 of us decided to do this whilst enjoying our Thanksgiving dinner back in November.
@bubblebustin
you hit the nail on the head and you have such a way with words.
@ ChearsBigEars
There is no doubt that Germany did use propaganda but it was quite overt and easily recognized as such but the book on covert propaganda and mind control of the masses was written in the USA. US propaganda techniques were engineered by Edward Bernays (a Jew), nephew of the psychiatric fraudster known as Sigmund Freud. Bernays invented and reinvented every technique in the book to convince people that what is bad is good and what is good is bad, with the ultimate goal of replacing freedom with slavery and without any awareness of it having been done. We even assign euphemistic terminology to his treachery — modern advertising, public relations, political spin — but Bush Jr. was more overt when he blurted out the phrase “catapulting the propaganda”.
http://www.activistpost.com/2013/08/reversing-edward-bernays-effect.html
Oh @EM
you are amazing.
remember this?
About Karl Rove[edit]
“The aide said that guys like me were “in what we call the reality-based community,” which he defined as people who “believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.” I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. “That’s not the way the world really works anymore.” He continued “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do”
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Karl_Rove
@ northernstar
Absolutely I remember that. Thanks for adding it.
Thanks, northern star
“Karl Rove claims it was thanks to him that the Republicans won the 2010 midterm elections, lies. It was all thanks to Ham Rove that the GOP won that day.”
http://wikiality.wikia.com/Ham_Rove
http://wikiality.wikia.com/Ham_Rove?file=Ham_Rove.jpg
@petros
Would you consider putting in a short submission on this topic to the New Zealand Government? They need as much “education” about FATCA as we can give them. Submissions are open until Feb 5th, link here: http://www.parliament.nz/en-nz/pb/sc/make-submission/50SCFE_SCF_00DBHOH_BILL12926_1/taxation-annual-rates-employee-allowances-and-remedial
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