The following lists some arguments made in defense of FATCA, and this is only the beginning. The attacks against Americans in defense of FATCA will increase. FATCA teaches the American to hate Americans and for all the wrong reasons.
for the little UWFF (“quote“) unfuckable WhiteKat FBAR fraudster it is tick-tack , after you had the guts to come out of hiding and reveal yourself to the IRS and comply with current law we move to tick-tock which you might hear from the inside of a prison cell 1
What a jerk! “ lol……. keep dreaming my little fraudster, the clock is ticking. I am happy that you think in your little pathetic world you “beat the you know what out of him“….. wow please don`t forget to take your pills again. 2
Actually, he’s one of those spoiled self-centered Libertarian brats whining because the rest of the world won’t let him get away with whatever he wants the way his mommy and daddy used to. 3
nobody has a debate here with FBAR fraudsters like yourself – you have to earn that right which you fail by hiding and not complying with the law. Your are a cheat plain and simple who is barely capable of putting a sentence together. Talk to to the IRS and see if they think YOU make sense. 4
yes we know little FBAR fraudster like yourself do not believe in any authority especially when they come after you for not complying with the law. 5
you’re pretty stupid and have a hard time understanding things like politics and government. It’s only a human rights issue if people are denied access to services by government decree. If people cannot access services from the institution of their first choice as a result of a private sector response to a government policy then the denial of service is the result of a corporate policy and cannot be blamed on the government. 6
This person is a troll.
He is posting the most hateful drivel he can with the intention of making (me, you, WhiteKat….) angry.
It’s not FATCA teaching someone to hate, they’re already good at it without any help, they get their kicks by enraging people. The more upset you get the happier they are.
This person’s comments have no relevance to the issue at hand and are best ignored.
This involves two commentators in one location and I’ve observed similar behavior with many advocates of FATCA. Thus, it seems to be a common FATCA problem.
This person also comments on another tax blog and obviously fancies themselves in the “right” Yes, nothing but, a troll. Ridiculously adolescent remarks. However, he seems intent on saying “you will be found” Is that right? WordPress owners can usually see ip addys.
Ad Hominem attacks are classic logical fallacies, the fallback of people who have no logical argument on which to stand.
One of the things I really like about following this blog is how logical and civil most discussions are…
As unpleasant as these tactics are, they are a gift you can use to strengthen your resolve to move forward.
An American clearly because he doesn’t understand the basic premise of human rights legal addresses.
People always fall back on baseless attack and name calling when they know they have no logical legs to stand on in a discussion especially on the Internet.
The real problem with people like this is that they distract from the debate and distraction is what catches people’s eyes, so they muddy the waters for those who might not be aware and whose minds could be opened. Generally, Americans are ignorant of other countries in terms of standard of living and democratic govt and will listen and even agree when they are given the facts but the narrative being pushed by the USG and its minions in the financial compliance industry is louder and more pervasive at the moment. They are the real problem.
For damage limitation, an idea which I’m sure some of you have already acted on:
Daily Caller’s disqus comments seem set (by default) to show “best” comments first.
How about we all go VOTE for the TRULY best comments? – and so bury the idiot ones into an end-of-list oblivion…
This protects IBS’ reputation, plus I feel that Andrew F. Quinlan deserves our support for his article….
What do you think? Worth a try, N’est-ce-pas?
Oh dear, perhaps that was overly ambitious on my part?
(:() (I tried, but Disqus crashes this computer every 10 minutes or so… so only got to make one post and do a bit of voting.
I’ve heard there are people who get paid for trolling behavior in a political or commercial cause. Wonder if this troll is one of them? He certainly didn’t sound wealthy or knowledgeable to me, despite his claims.
I will only pray he improves his education by finding himself caught up in the fbar/fatca/3520/etc net, due to some cause he has yet to appreciate… so that he may eventually begin to have wisdom and match inwardly his high opinion of himself….
Meanwhile I have more important people to feed than trolls …!
Thank you to all you Brockers who have been decent, honest, kind, helpful and friendly. You are very special people. All the more appreciated after this exposure!
@ Sad-in-the-UK
I’ve been trying to keep my “up arrowing” updated there. I found that I can’t use Camino and have to switch to Safari to do it though. Computers are such quirky things.
Who is the troll name? I thought Swiss Pinoy posted this new post.
I went to the article that the comment (1) link showed. It is the Daily Caller and the writer is Andrew Quinlan I never thought I would be reading the Daily Caller as it is so tea bagger republican. I read the article and the other three he wrote. He is against FATCA. Have I missed something?
The comments are by very ignorant republicans.
His home page on his blog has an article on Sen Posey.
http://freedomandprosperity.org/2013/press-releases/congressman-posey-rebukes-secretary-lew-on-fatca/
Maybe someone who’s complied may harbour resentment for other who are in the same position as them but hasn’t?
I wrote that last too fast:
Maybe someone who’s complied may harbour resentment for others who are in the same position as they are but haven’t complied?
@northernstar, my idea of this post was to take advantage of some unnecessary comments made by twisting them around so that they discredit what they were attempting to defend, which in this case is FATCA. I would assume that Andrew Quinlan is supportive of my effort, since he took no action.
@bubblebustin, the concept of “complied” is relative. The US tax code is so complex that anyone can be declared as being “non-compliant” for some odd reason. Generally, the more money that one has, the greater the risk becomes that one will be declared as being “non-compliant”, regardless of how much one paid the tax processor.
@northernstar:
I thought likewise at first; but it turns out that the Disqus comments at the end of the SECOND page of the article (which require a browser with javascript and frames enabled to be visible) are being trolled by someone calling himself ‘Senior Researcher’. It’s Senior Researcher’s remarks that swisspinoy is paraphrasing in the IBS post.
@ swisspinoy – foolish of me, I know, but at first I thought they were going to be YOUR comments in the post, and I’m afraid someone new to the website might mistakenly believe that they are.
I wouldn’t want your reputation to be so compromised. Might it be worthwhile to edit your lead-in to the post to avoid damaging misunderstandings….? Possibly a clear link and reference to the article at the start of the post?
Sorry to make work….
@SwissPinoy
This may be someone who resents others trying to beat the system that he perhaps views himself as being victim to, and could be seeking vindication by tormenting others who are so far managing to succeed at doing what he couldn’t do.
He’s like an IRS bogey-man.
@bubblebustin, there are two persons posting, or one person posting under two different identities. The other one just posted a very interesting comment in response to the other but directed at me:
I find this to be fascinating! Maybe I’m a greater threat to FATCA than I had ever imagined. Think about it. FATCA is driven by the idea of finding wealthy tax cheats and getting money from them, while I define myself as being one who renounced US citizenship in response to discrimination caused by FATCA. These one or two identities view me as being a poor, stupid, college drop-out who can’t keep a stable Job:
As such, I’m a FATCA contradiction, or a threat to FATCA, because I clearly don’t fit the typical stereotypes. I’m not rich, I’m seen as being poor, I’m obviously not a “tax cheat”, the IRS argument doesn’t work with me, etc. and thus FATCA has a serious problem if it is the reason which caused me to renounce, which it indeed is!
@swissPinoy
The Commenters are the rush limbaugh followers, attack the messengers. They most likely are the college drop outs. So glad I live in Canada the past 44 years. FATCA is going to accelerate the US bankruptcy. Last winter I did not go to the US to spend my hard earned retirement money for the first time. I go elsewhere now.
Obama once filled me with hope and joy. No more. What a delusion.
@northernstar
FATCA is just one of the many antidotes to Obama’s kool-aid.
I love the disqus moderation filter. One can attack people with endless insults, advocate murder and even plan Al Qaida terrorist attacks, without such being moderated. Yet, as soon as one writes “the Anti-Defamation League condemns Nazi comparisons”, then such will go into moderation and get permentally censured.
Is this not always the way …. the rule of the illiterate (and sometimes all too literate but lacking decency, common sense, logic and rational thought) mob. Populist leaders ride on the shoulders of these “useful idiots”.
There are also those who believe in intimidation and threats of deeming honest people criminals. Threats of bankrupting or imprisoning you unless you comply with bad “rules”.
This sort of bad-manism should never be combined with too much information about people’s private affairs and finances for that is the making of dictatorship with powers to crush the people.
BTW were these not the motivators that caused so many millions to seek freedom in what is now known as the USA?
I’m being stalked by FATCA. Are the huge fine threats and combined with national origin discrimination and stalking grounds enough to launch an criminal investigation against the United States? Such has been done with Eritrea for similar reasons. At what point does a FATCA stalker become a physical threat?
FATCA stalkers can be reported here: http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx
With the latest FATCA stalking, I got accused of being a “social security tax cheat” and a “tax-terrorist”. FATCA clearly seeks to cause physical harm to my family.
I just reported the FATCA stalker to the FBI.
Swisspinoy, as false accusations were being made against me, my comments were taken and changed and posted elsewhere, I was followed, places in real life where I might be were posted along with phone numbers, as I was threatened to be “found” I too reported this person to the author of the article as well as law enforcement. The author of the article offered to completely and fully co operate with me and law enforcement.
@Atticusincanada, it is very sad that some FATCA advocates feel that FATCA can only be defended by taking such extreme measures.