August 3, 2012
Bergen, NorwayI was sitting across from an impossibly blonde account executive this afternoon when I heard three words I never thought I’d hear at a foreign bank.
“Are you Greek,” she asked me with a bit of a smile…
me: “Uh, no. I have a US passport, among others…”
she: “OK good, as long as you’re not Greek.”
I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. Let me explain.
As you may know, US citizens have long been the world’s banking pariah thanks to a piece of remarkably stupid legislation called the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA).
FATCA was passed a few years ago as part of a greater US government effort to create jobs. And boy was it successful– thousands of new jobs were created as a result of the legislation. Unfortunately, most of the new jobs are for tax collectors.
In short, FATCA requires EVERY BANK IN THE WORLD to sign an information-sharing agreement with the IRS. No matter what. Even the tiniest bank in Bhutan that has never seen a foreigner walk through its doors has to jump in bed with the IRS.
What’s more, if banks don’t comply (or even know about the law), the US government will severely penalize them with a 30% withholding tax on most funds routed through the US.
This stunning arrogance is a key reason why US citizens have been turned away from so many foreign banks over the past few years; banks simply didn’t want to deal with Uncle Sam. From Panama to Singapore to Switzerland, US citizens have been shut out of many banks.
But after years of this trend building, I’m starting to see signs of it breaking. FATCA initially sent shockwaves through the worldwide banking industry, and after years of lobbying their own governments, a compromise appears to have been reached.
The new model is that governments are inking information-sharing agreements directly with each other. In other words, foreign banks will send information to their governments, and the governments will share information with other governments.
This approach gets banks off the hook from having to deal with Uncle Sam, yet it still fulfills the original spirit of FATCA: destroy financial privacy. Mission Accomplished.
The good news is that a lot more foreign banks are receptive to having US customers. Which brings me back to my experience today in Norway.
The banker didn’t care that I have a US passport. US customers are OK once again, it’s now Greek customers who are the banking pariah du jour.
You may recall from our previous discussions that the Greek government has taken the liberty of confiscating funds directly from people’s bank accounts at will. If they decide (in their sole discretion) that you might be a tax cheat, they take your money. No questions asked.
Naturally, many Greeks are now desperately trying to move their funds abroad. Unfortunately for them, some banks just don’t want to be caught in the middle of this feud.
The result? Many banks are starting to turn away Greek customers or mandate large initial deposit requirements in excess of 500,000 euros.
It’s a classic example of what happens when people wait too long. Some folks took action early and are sleeping well. Others saw the writing on the wall and did nothing. They waited until the tax authorities were en route to even begin thinking about ways to protect their savings.
History shows that bankrupt governments routinely resort to plundering their citizens’ wealth to keep the party going.
Bottom line, if your government is insolvent, your savings are at risk. And opening a foreign bank account is one of the most important things you can do for your savings. Greeks are starting to figure this out the hard way.
US national debt is now $15,927,546,875,232.78, increasing $3.91 billion per day.
Well, Simon Black is wrong about it being ok to be US. But it is a stunning turn of events for Greek patrons. But see, this is exactly why the world is going down the tubes. Are you Greek? Are you American?
We’re all just tax cows to these people.
Can non-residents open accounts in Norway? If so, which banks and what is the minimum deposit? I looked into opening one in Sweden, but couldn’t figure out if I could or not.
To ask a rhetorical question, how did Greece wind up bankrupt in the first place? It is because Greeks had about as much respect for their country’s tax laws as Americans had for the 55 mph speed limit, among other things.
*@DomPomodormo, probaby no problem for non-residents, unless of course they are US persons, who are non-residents in a special underprivileged class all by themselves.
Does this restriction against opening bank accounts apply to all persons with Greek citizenship? I would be surprised if it does. I would suspect that it applies to pesons who are residents of Greece, regardless of nationality, but that it does not apply to persons who have Greek citizenship which are residents of another country.
As far as I know Greece does not have extraterritorial laws which allow the govenment of that country to raid the bank accounts of persons who have Greek citienship who live in other countries.
I suspect that the US would be among the first to cry foul if the Greek government were to attempt to take over the bank accounts of the several million Greek citizens who live and work in the US. That is something the US might try to do, but for any other country to attempt this would be more than frowned on by the United States.
*Don Pomodoro, good question. Here is what one bank in Norway writes on the subject:
Because of legal restrictions, you may not access this website if
you are located outside of Norway or the Faroe Islands, or if you are a
U.S. person (as such term is defined in Regulation S under the U.S.
Securities Act of 1933, as amended). Explicitly, you may not access this
website from United States, Canada, Japan or Australia.
By clicking “YES” below, you represent that you are not located
outside of Norway or the Faroe Islands, and that you are not a U.S.
person (as such term is defined in Regulation S under the U.S.
Securities Act of 1933, as amended).
If you are located outside of Norway or the Faroe Islands, or if
you are a U.S. person (as such term is defined in Regulation S under the
U.S. Securities Act of 1933, as amended), you must click “NO” below.
http://www.bakkafrost.com/default.asp?menu=234
By the way, I am not “SwissPinoy”. Someone hacked my account and posted this, since US Persons are not allowed to access their web site.
@Roger Does somebody want to write the Greek government and propose just that? They’ve got nothing to lose, considering the situation they are in.
Americans abroad are U.S. Persons under the Internal Revenue Code only. We are not U.S. Persons under Rule 902 (the part of Regulation S that defines who is a U.S. Person for purposes of U.S. securities regulation). So it’s legal for you to access that site. The only problem is that you will have to convince them of that …
I was curious about that, so I looked it up: https://www.asxonline.com/intradoc-cgi/groups/clearing_and_settlement/documents/communications/asx_028938.pdf
According to this, I get the impression that I’m neither a “US Person” nor a “non-US Person”. I’m undefined!
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