Cross posted from RenounceUScitizenship
Warning! The following video contains language that may offend some of you. To articulate the obvious:
1. The language in the video irrelevant to the purpose and message of the post.
2. If I need to say this: obviously I do NOT share Mr. Fischer’s bigoted views.
To be forewarned is to be forearmed!
“None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.”
– Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
“The notion of “dual loyalties” may seem old-fashioned to some – a throwback to the days of Cold War spy-sniffing. But the concept is hardly obsolete, for the same reason that monogamy isn’t obsolete (for most of us, anyway): No one can serve two masters at once.”
The above interview of Bobby Fischer after his release from prison in Japan contains some interesting comments about U.S. citizenship. Why did the U.S. government not intervene on behalf of U.S. citizen Bobby Fischer? Where was the protection of the U.S. government?
What is citizenship? A voluntary association or is it a condition of servitude?
If citizenship is a “voluntary” association it implies that one is free to leave the “association”. A voluntary association can be terminated. One just leaves the association. One simply renounces citizenship. One simply ceases to reside in the country. If one leaves, then that country does not attempt to apply its laws in an extraterritorial manner.
If citizenship is a condition of servitude then the situation is different. The country assumes a “property right” in the citizen. Ownership of the citizen implies that the country:
– Can tax the citizen regardless of where the citizen resides
– Can conscript the citizen into military service; and most interestingly
– Can control the behavior of the citizen outside the country
U.S. citizenship bears some of the “earmarks” of a condition of servitude. The U.S. assumes a property right in its citizens and extracts a payment from the citizen to end the ownership. This is remarkably similar to some African American slaves, buying their freedom from their masters. The historical practice is documented as follows:
“A rare option was “self-purchase” (the term itself revealing the base illogic of slavery). In 1839 almost half (42%) of the free blacks in Cincinnati, Ohio, had bought their freedom and were striving to create new lives while searching for and purchasing their own relatives.”
The U.S. system of citizenship-based taxation is unique in the world. In the same way that the slaves could sometimes buy their freedom, some U.S. citizens are required to pay an Exit Tax to receive their freedom. Further examples of the United States treating its citizens as property are:
The U.S. subjected its citizens to military service.
The U.S. by imposing the death penalty assumes the right to end the life of a citizen.
The U.S. through laws with extraterritorial application assume the right to control the conduct of its citizens outside the United States. Examples include: taxing citizens who live outside the United States; prohibiting U.S. citizens from traveling from Canada to Cuba; requiring citizens who live outside the United States to file FBARs and comply with aspects of FATCA; making it unlawful for U.S. citizens to do what is legal for those who are not U.S. citizens. These are examples of treating the citizen as the property of the government.
The Use of The Citizen as an Instrument of Foreign Policy
The United States uses its citizens as instruments of U.S. foreign policy without their will. It does so by criminalizing their conduct outside the United States. This is antithetical to the “dignity of the individual” (recognized in a number of International Human Rights documents).
Introducing Bobby Fischer – Fischer Spaasky One – Iceland 1972
The case of Bobby Fischer provides an interesting example of how the United States used its “ownership of a U.S. citizen” to further foreign policy objectives.
Those of us “of a certain age” remember world chess champion Bobby Fischer. (Those who don’t remember him would do well to learn about him.) Bobby Fischer was a U.S. born citizen who played Boris Spassky and the Soviet Chess machine for the world chess championship. The match took place in Iceland in the summer of 1972. It captivated the world for two reasons:
1. Chess is a hugely popular game throughout the world.
2. The match took place during the height of the cold war. It was widely seen as a contest between the U.S. and Soviet systems. Make no mistake about it, much of fascination was based on the fact that Bobby Fischer was a U.S. citizen who was playing the Soviet Union ( represented by Boris Spassky).
The U.S. government was deeply interested in the Fischer Spassky match and what it represented. Fischer was considered to be an extension of the United States.
In the months leading up to the World Chess Championship, Fischer indicated that he would NOT participate. Fischer was absent for the opening game. (He was still in New York.) U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger intervened and encouraged Fischer to go to Iceland and play for the United States. Kissinger called Fischer with the intention of telling him that:
I think if I call him I should just call him and tell him from a foreign policy point of view I hope the hell he gets over there.
Although the influence of Kissinger is unclear, Fischer did attend and defeated Boris Spassky. By so doing he also defeated the Soviet chess machine to become champion of the world. Fischer’s victory was an amazing achievement. This was because, although the Soviet Government supported Mr. Spassky, the U.S. government provided no support for Fischer.
The lack of support notwithstanding, the U.S. government was quick to trumpet Fischer’s victory as a U.S. victory over communism and the Soviet empire. To quote one commentator:
Imagine the Psychological pressure he would have to face taking on the Soviets. USA should FOREVER thank Bobby Fischer for having trounced the Soviets , all alone. Bobby might have done it in his own interest. It just happened that his mother moved to USA, which proved to be USA’s gain.
After having won the world championship Fischer went into seclusion. He was not heard from again until 1992.
Fischer Spaasky – Round Two – Yugoslavia 1992
In 1992 a Yugoslav businessman arranged for a Fischer Spassky rematch in Belgrade, Serbia. What happened next is described in Wikipedia as follows:
“The U.S. Department of the Treasury had warned Fischer beforehand that his participation was illegal as it violated President George H. W. Bush‘s Executive Order 12810 that implemented United Nations Security Council Resolution 757 sanctions against engaging in economic activities in Yugoslavia.[265] In response, Fischer called a conference and, in front of the international press, literally spat on the U.S. order forbidding him to play, announcing “This is my reply”. Following the match, the Department obtained an arrest warrant against him. Fischer remained wanted by the United States government for the rest of his life and never returned to America.”
Fischer’s crime was accepting payment for playing chess in Serbia contrary to U.S. law.
The U.S. encouraged Fischer to play chess in Iceland, in 1972 when it was perceived to be in the interests of the U.S. government (remember the Kissinger intervention).
The U.S. prohibited Fischer from playing chess in Serbia, in 1992, when it was against its interests. The U.S. criminalized Fischer’s playing chess in Serbia.
The U.S. government took the position, that because Fischer was a U.S. citizen, and therefore the property of the United States, that it could control his conduct outside of the United States.
By prohibiting him from playing, the U.S. was using Fischer as an instrument of U.S. foreign policy. Fischer did play. He won the rematch with Spassky. Fortunately he received a prize of approximately 3.5 million dollars. That was the good news. The bad news was that by playing he had upset the United States. He was now a fugitive from U.S. justice. As a result he could not return to the U.S.
Fischer Arrested in Japan
Life continued well until 2004. In July of 2004 Fischer was arrested trying to board a plane in Tokyo. Under what many believed was pressure from the U.S. government, Fischer was arrested and held in a Japanese jail for six months. Where is the U.S. embassy when you need it?
These events were described as follows:
“The Status Report by Einar S. Einarsson of the Icelandic RJF Committee complains that Fischer has been held for almost six months in jail, and that a month has now passed since he was granted a residence visa in Iceland. Still no tangible progress has been made, the US Embassy in Reykjavik has still not given any formal answers on the matter. The Japanese Authorities, too, are buckling under pressure from the US. When Fischer’s assistant asked how long they intended to hold him, a high-ranking official replied, “We can keep him as long as we like. We can eat him if we choose to.” Bobby is taking this harsh and hostile treatment admirably well, but he is getting physically exhausted by this very lengthy proceeding over a passport. He suffers from frequent headaches and dizziness.
“Six months in a Japanese prison over a passport” is an article by Guðmundur G. Thórarinsson, a former Icelandic Parliamentarian, former president of the Icelandic Chess Federation and chief organizer of the Match of the Century between Bobby Fischer and Boris Spassky in 1972. He describes Fischer’s situation: the detainee is allowed to go outdoors for 45 minutes a day, five days a week. He suffers from chronic and worsening headaches and dizzy spells. “For twelve years, this lonely genius has been exiled from his homeland. He has sat in jail for six months because his passport is invalid.” Thórarinsson reminds us that Fischer’s crime was that he played chess in Yugoslavia in violation of the economic sanctions then in force. In his autobiography Bill Clinton says that the Americans passed this regulation knowing that numerous parties were selling weapons to the Balkan nations, but that no charges were filed in those cases because of the great shortage of weapons in the region. Neither were artists indicted when they worked there. Thórarinsson writes: “The only person in the world to have been indicted for a violation of this regulation – a regulation that has long since ceased to be in force, and a violation committed in a country that no longer exists – is Robert James Fischer. This case is an example of a barbarous violation of human rights.“
Fischer’s Release – A Gift From Iceland – Iceland Citizenship
Fischer was released because he had been granted citizenship in Iceland. The saga is described as follows:
Saemi realized he had to change his strategy. He returned home and with the backing of the Icelandic Chess Federation, Saemi went straight to the top and appealed to Iceland’s Prime Minister – if Fischer was granted Icelandic citizenship then he would no longer be bound by American law and Japan would have to free him.
But Saemi had a tough fight on his hands. The Icelandic government was not known for rocking the boat. Keeping a “good relationship” with the USA was high on their agenda and not only that but the Icelandic PM was also a friend of President George Bush. Saemi delivered his argument anyway – why should Fischer be persecuted just for playing a game of chess? The matter was put to the vote at the Icelandic parliament where they won by a unanimous vote. The Prime Minister said that Fischer’s citizenship had been granted for humanitarian reasons and because Saemi was a “man of honor”. Against all odds, Saemi had done the seemingly impossible. He had freed his friend.
As soon as the documents were stamped, the authorities in Tokyo had to release Fischer. He was taken to the airport where the world’s press eagerly awaited him. But Fischer’s psychopathic tendencies wouldn’t let him just bask in his freedom. Instead, he used the opportunity to deliver a bitter tirade against the President of the U.S. and the PM of Japan, saying they should be hanged for their crimes.”
During his detention Fischer did attempt to renounce his U.S. citizenship. It is unclear whether he was successful.
Bobby Fischer lived the rest of his life in Iceland. He died in Iceland in 2008 at the age of 64. Who knows whether his detention in Japan contributed to his relatively early death.
U.S. Citizenship and the life of Bobby Fischer
U.S. Citizens As Property Of The U.S. Government
Clearly Fischer’s troubles were the result of the U.S. assuming jurisdiction over him while he was in Serbia. The U.S. believed that it had the right to control his behavior while he was outside the United States. Had Fischer not been considered under the direct jurisdiction of the U.S. government, he never would have landed in jail.
Imagine – going to jail for accepting money for playing chess in Serbia.
Another interesting example of the “citizen as government property” comes from an interview with Fischer. Here is an excerpt:
The second interview, which is just over an hour long, was recorded on Aug 20, 2004 at 20:40h Japanese time. It was conducted by GM Eugene Torre, an old friend of Fischer, Boy Pobre, chairman of the Philippine Chess Aficionados and Masters Association, the studio anchor and other guests.
Torre, Anchor: How are you, Bobby?
Bobby Fischer: Fine. I got some good news today. The US says they are willing to come to the detention center so I can renounce my citizenship, take the official oath. That is a good sign. Hopefully this will satisfy the US and they will tell the Japanese to let me out of jail. Then I can try to rebuild my legal status and get papers and passport from some other country.
Boy Pobre: A few days ago we had a car caravan with signs saying “Free Bobby Fischer” and we wrote a letter to the governments of the United States and Japan, asking them to free Bobby Fischer and allow him to seek asylum in a country of his choice. [Reads:] “His continued detention and deportation would be a violation of his basic human rights, as he has not committed any crime. Bobby Fischer is the greatest chess player of all time. He is an international treasure and no nation can own him alone.” But the embassies of both countries refused to accept the letter. In fact we were harassed by guards and military personnel at the US Embassy. We are also urging our own government to take action and invite you to stay in the Philippines, as an honoured future citizen.
Fisher: Thank you. You know, when I was over in Hungary, in the late nineties, the US government made an announcement saying that all American citizens in Hungary and Budapest could not go to a certain hotel in Budapest to eat or spend any money, because this hotel is owned by the Libyan government. “If you go there we are going to find out about it, and we are going to prosecute you and put you into prison.” Can you imagine telling Americans in Budapest they cannot eat in a certain restaurant?
Fischer attempts to renounce U.S. citizenship – to end his servitude
While he was in custody Fischer attempted to renounce his U.S. citizenship.
In the following we bring you two letters handwritten by Fischer and addressed to the US consular authorities in Tokyo. In it the former world champion attempts to renounce his US citizenship.
August 6, 2004 From: Robert James Fischer at the Narita Airport Immigration lockup. To: “Peter” at the Tokyo U.S. Embassy.
Dear “Peter” (you won’t tell me what your last name is) I called you yesterday at the U.S. Embassy in Tokyo at about 10:00 am and we discussed some of the various vicious crimes the U.S. and the Japanese governments have committed against me working in collusion and in conspiracy since at least July 13, 2004. I say “at least” because obviously the conspiracy to commit those crimes had to begin some time before July 13, 2004. I also told you that I wished to renounce my U.S. citizenship on that very day August 5, 2004. I asked that either you or someone else from the U.S. Embassy in Tokyo come over to the Narita International Airport Detention center lockup immediately so I could officially renounce my U.S. citizenship on that very day, yesterday August 5, 2004. You made one excuse after another as to why neither you nor anyone else from the Embassy could come over to do it. Such as: you had no time that day, and no one else at the Embassy had time that day, you didn’t know the law and you’d have to study it first, also you would have to check with Washington D.C. first. I said could you or someone else from the Embassy come over tomorrow (i.e. today) to do it. You said you didn’t know and you couldn’t say. Judging by your jittery, jumpy nervous answers to my demand to officially renounce my U.S. citizenship I realized I’d hit a nerve. Apparently my renouncing my U.S. citizenship does not fit in too conveniently with the U.S.-Japanese plot to illegally deport me to my “home” country the U.S.A. and illegally try, convict, imprison, torture and murder me there. At about 9:30 am this morning I will request my kidnappers here to place a call with the U.S. Embassy in Tokyo for about 10:00 am. I will again demand that either you or someone else from the Embassy come over here so that I can officially renounce my U.S. citizenship today. I’m quite sure that in violation of my rights you will not. (If I’m wrong so much the better.) But assuming that you won’t I will now do the job myself. Since you are refusing to cooperate as the U.S. law commands you to I believe this renunciation has full validity under the law. That is if one can even speak seriously about “law” in a lawless country like the U.S.A. Here goes: I am Robert James Fischer. I am a U.S. citizen. I was born on March 9, 1943 in Chicago, Ill. U.S.A. My U.S. passport no. is or was Z7792702. It was issued at the U.S. Embassy in Bern, Switzerland. The issue date is January 24, 1997 and the expiry date is January 23, 2007. I Robert James Fischer do hereby irrevocably and permanently renounce my U.S. citizenship and all the supposed rights and privileges of United States citizenship. I will do my very best to get this letter hand delivered to you at the Tokyo U.S. Embassy today. Free at last, free at last, thank God almighty I am free at last.
Sincerely,
Robert James Fischer
August 10, 2004 From: Robert James Fischer at the Narita Airport Immigration lockup. To: “Peter at the Tokyo U.S. Embassy
Dear “Peter” (you wont tell me what your last name is) I just spoke with you again on the phone about you or someone else from the U.S. Embassy in Tokyo coming out here this morning so that I can officially renounce my U.S. citizenship in person before a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer and you flatly refused. You also said nobody else from the Embassy could come today to do it. I asked you if you had received my letter to you of August 6, 2004 and you said you had. I told you that in my opinion the letter was legally valid and that I was no longer an American citizen. I asked you if you agreed and you refused to answer. You said if I had any request to make to the U.S. Embassy in Tokyo I should communicate it in writing by letter and then hung up. I have demanded that you or someone else from the U.S. Embassy in Tokyo come out here every working day since Aug. 5, 2004 until today August 10, 2004 so that I could renounce my U.S. citizenship before a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer. I spoke with you August 5, 2004, August 6 2004, and today August 10, 2004. I also called the U.S. Embassy in Tokyo yesterday August 9, 2004 to renounce my U.S. citizenship here in front of a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer but the Embassy secretary refused to put me through to you or anyone else at the Embassy and she hung up on me about 4 or 5 times. However she did admit that you were there at the Embassy at that time but that you were “unavailable” to talk to me. She also admitted that she believed that you had received my letter to you of August 6, 2004. Well, “Peter” (you won’t tell me what your last name is) that’s all by way of background. So now here is my demand to you and the U.S. Embassy in Tokyo, Japan. I demand that you immediately send a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer over to me at the Narita Airport immigration detention center lockup so that I can sign an oath of renunciation of my U.S. citizenship in front of him or her today. I’m told by my kidnappers here that they’re moving me to another prison today. They’re moving me to the Ushiko Immigration detention center lockup in Ibaragi prefecture. I’ll be leaving here at about 1.00 p.m and arriving at the Ushiko Immigration detention center lockup a few hours later. So if it’s too late to take the oath of renunciation here at Narita today we can do it tonight or tomorrow morning in Ushiko. I will endeavour to get this letter hand delivered over to you at your Embassy today. No more delaying games and royal runaround “Peter.” I demand my right to officially renounce my U.S. citizenship in front of a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer NOW. It’s not like the old days “Peter” all this is going to the Internet and the whole world is watching your chicanery and criminality. You’ve already physically destroyed my perfectly valid U.S. passport No. Z7792702 by punching holes through it. This illegal act was meant to criminalize me but in reality it only criminalized you and the U.S. government! O.K. “Peter” (you won’t tell me what your last name is) get off the stick and get yourself or someone else from the U.S. Embassy in Tokyo over here or to Ushiko so we can officially do the renunciation bit.
Sincerely
Robert James Fischer
Bobby Fischer Renounce In Peace and Rest In Peace
U.S. citizen Bobby Fischer was treated by the U.S. government as the property of the U.S. government.
His U.S. citizenship was used to the advantage of the U.S. government in:
– 1972 when he was trumpeted as the U.S. citizen who beat the Soviet chess machine
– 1992 when the fact of his U.S. citizenship was used by the U.S. government to try to prevent from playing chess in Serbia.
It is clear that U.S. citizenship was not a benefit to Fischer and in fact was the source of many of his difficulties. The greatest tragedy of his life was that he was born as a U.S. citizen. Bobby Fischer lived at least the last 16 years of his life outside the United States. Do you think that Bobby Fischer ever filed a U.S. tax return? Do you think that Bobby Fischer ever filed an FBAR?
Rest in peace Bobby Fischer!
As a tribute to Bobby Fischer I include the following four documentary videos about the 1972 World Championship match.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gO5Cro1qUE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c-zY60u52E
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Citizens as property of government
[i]”The United States uses its citizens as instruments of U.S. foreign policy without their will. It does so by criminalizing their conduct outside the United States. This is antithetical to the “dignity of the individual” (recognized in a number of International Human Rights documents).”[/i]
100% Agreed, and very well put. Maybe everyone remembers me constantly saying that the US wants to have leverage over us, and they loath losing control. Hence the reason they make renouncing difficult and you have the pay $450 and attend the tacky renuncation ceremoney.
I’m not going to be an extension of that place! If ever have any great accomplishment, I don’t want them taking credit for it. All they have done is make my life more difficult.
Nice post. Thanks for putting this together.
The renunciation info on the London Embassy site says the following:
“Tax and Military Obligations/No escape from Prosecution
Also, persons who wish to renounce U.S. citizenship should also be aware that the fact that a person has renounced U.S. citizenship may have no effect whatsoever on his or her U.S. tax or military service obligations ”
Does this imply that men under whatever the conscription age is could still be drafted by the US if they decided to re-instate the draft? That would certainly seem to imply a philosophy of “perpetual ownership” to me.
@Don – I suspect that it means “prior obligations” incurred (so to speak) when the person was a citizen of the US. On the other hand, who the hell knows at this point. 🙂
Side note here – I don’t think they will bring back the draft. The trend (and it’s not only in the US – Germany and Russia are thinking about it) is to bring in foreigners for that purpose. Quite a few non-US citizens in the US military and it appears they want more freedom to recruit more. Russia has created the equivalent of the French Foreign Legion for that purpose. Germany is considering the question..
Am I the only one who is offended by holding up the mad rantings of “Bobby” Fischer as authority for anything at all? Fischer didn’t even bother to use “code words” to puke out his message of hate. With all due respect, the IBS should use a bit more care in the way it frames the issues. And with a video no less!
30 Year IRS Vet
Just found this page here and thought it would be neat to share – You can see Fischer’s stateless and later Icelandic passport data pages:
http://www.chessville.com/News/FischerFreedomWatch2.htm
@Victoria
The problem here is that that interpretation makes sense! The wording is so creepy though: “No Escape from Persecution” just sends shivers done my neck.
I was still living in Germany last year when the German government got rid of conscription. You should have seen the look of relief on some of my German friends’ faces when they first heard that that was gone. Hadn’t heard of the Russian legion, but I can tell you that going into the Army is every Russian male’s nightmare. It is nothing like the German one was (which apparently just entailed hanging around the barracks and drinking a bit too much!) and you only hear absolute horror stories about it. I certainly hope that Russia gets rid of it as well if only for my the sake of some of my friends in Russia who seem to oddly want to all pursue doctorates and stay in University past 28 years of age. Hmmm…. 🙂
BTW – Looks like we can add Iceland to the list of countries whose passports don’t really show your place of birth (Switzerland, Japan). Notice that his passport said “Bandarikin”. That’s apparently Icelandic for USA, but who would know that outside of Iceland? Love that they don’t write it with the three digit USA code.
@Steven
I am not much of a chess expert but my impression of Fischer is he has always been a bit of a nut. Well actually more than a bit of a nut. I don’t mean to say this in a mean way but Fischer is someone who clearly needed mental health treatment and hopefully he was able to obtain it when arriving in Iceland for the final years of his life. I guess the advice I would have to politicians is don’t put up athletes/other talented people as national heroes(Fischer isn’t the only I can think many more. Joe Paterno et al).
@Steven: You suggest IBS “should use a bit more care in the way it frames the issues.”
I suggest the same: IRS “should use a bit more care in the way it frames the issues.”
Painting “US persons” as “tax cheats”, “tax evaders” and “traitors” because we choose to live, study, work, earn a living, raise a family, be responsible citizens, vote, volunteer, contribute, save, invest, retire-and PAY TAXES–in another country is offensive and degrading to us.
And that passport photo clearly doesn’t conform to International Civil Aviation Organisation standards either. Those Icelandic rascals.
@Steve Mopsick: “With all due respect, the IBS should use a bit more care in the way it frames the issues…”
Agreed. It seems over the top to me also.
What I’ve liked about IBS is that although there is both an agenda and a sense of anger at injustice, the group focuses on frank and honest treatment of the real issues, and avoids the drama, rhetoric and sensationalism often visible when this topic comes up elsewhere. I hope that’s not changing.
@Steven Nice try. This is a post about some very specific issues regarding renunciation and the manner in which the United States abridges the freedom to renounce, and treats its citizens as slaves.
Your suggestion that we not refer to Bobby Fischer nor identify with his plight is ad hominem, guilt by association. You should see the attempt of James Fallows to suggest that we not use Isaac Brock as the name of our website. Isaac Brock gave his life defending Canada from an American invasion. Not the best symbol for getting Americans to sympathize with our situation. But then, we are all tax cheats in their eyes.
The issue here is that the United States destroyed Fischer’s life, not because he was a nutcase, but because he exercised his freedom to do something they didn’t like. Well, many of us are in the same boat. I also live in exile. I am innocent.
@ watcher I would defend this post. Fischer may have spewed hatred in the video, but his particular plight is very similar to what many of us are facing. We should try to distinguish between what is ad hominem and what are the issues at hand.
This whole FATCA situation and the dangers it poses to the global financial system reminds me of an experience I had driving around southern Ontario with a friend from North Carolina behind the wheel of a Cadillac.
After we got gas, he attempted to get back on Highiway 401 using the OFF ramp.
I said, “Oh my God, Peter there’s a TRUCK coming at us and he has the right of way!”
Peter said, “I’m an American, I ALWAYS have the right of way.”
He would not swerve to avoid the truck. I had to grab the wheel from him so we wouldn’t both die. His response, hysterical laughter!
The world will have to grab the wheel of the global financial system from the Americans so we don’t all die because that’s where this is headed.
OMG: My greatest fear is that your story is true and your prediction is accurate
@omg, blaze Food riots in certain countries Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, are due to increasing cost of food as a result of currency devaluation. Most currencies in the world use the US dollar as the major reserve to prove the worth of the local currency. Some experts believe that US devaluation (called QE) has exported inflation to the rest of the world. omg is right–the United States is not worthy to take the lead in what is left of the global economy. Putin has called the United States a parasite because it uses its monopoly on the dollar to live at the expense of the rest of the world. Putin, the former KGB agent, and yet I agree with him.
@Steven
I and others on this board have consistently responded to your posts/comments by focusing on the content and the reasoning. I will do this once again.
I understand that you don’t like the video. Fischer’s language is neither elegant nor polished. The question is: what does that have to do with the purpose and message of the post?
Let’s start with the title which is:
“Citizens as property of government – The tragic story of Robert James “Bobby” Fischer”
Even the title makes it clear that this is about an attitude that the government has toward its citizens. The post then explores how this attitude affected (and destroyed) the life of one U.S. citizen.
The post does this by describing the injustice that was experienced by Mr. Fischer because of the rather peculiar way that the U.S. government views its citizens. It does this in two ways:
1. Pointing out how he was used as an instrument of foreign policy; and
2. Pointing out the the U.S. was criminalizing behavior that took place outside the U.S.
Finally, it is quite obvious that the U.S. Embassy in Japan, while clearly taking the position that he was a U.S. citizen, did NOT render assistance to Mr. Fischer (objective fact). It is believed (but cannot be proven) that his rather lengthy incarceration (6 months) was the result of his legal problems with the U.S. government and the attendant pressure from same.
Clearly the U.S. Enbassy was unwilling to assist Mr. Fischer with his renunciation.
This post is NOT about Bobby Fischer. It could just as easily have been written about any “Draft Dodger” who came to Canada during the Vietnam era. The post IS about the problems of U.S. citizenship.
Now, I have responded to you with reason and logic.
I invite you to do the same. I have a suspicion that you may not have actually read this before posting your comment. If I am wrong, please accept my apology.
A Final POINT THAT IS IRRELEVANT TO THE MESSAGE, BUT IS RELEVANT TO YOUR COMMENT
What you saw in the video was the rant of a man who had just been unjustly incarcerated for six months. What would you expect him to say? Should his rage at this injustice be somehow discounted or banned from public view? I don’t think so. He was treated by the U.S. government in a barbaric and inhumane manner. How would you have behaved under these circumstances?
@Petros
Feel free to take the post down if you want. Or if you want take out the video. Your board – your call.
@ Renounce I think Steven’s main objection would be the anti-semitic remarks of Bobby Fischer, that it was the “Jews” who wanted to do him in. I do not agree with Fischer’s anti-Semitism. Nor, to my knowledge, does anyone else on this board. Justice is blind. We cannot say that Fischer deserved what he got because he was a bigot. We can say only that even bigots deserve justice before the law just like everyone else.
I am not going to take this blog post down because it is not promoting Bobby Fischer’s anti-semiticism. It is about exactly what you say it is about. And besides, I am your humble servant. I don’t own the Isaac Brock Society, but rather, I move at the instigation of those who have called me to this task.
@OMG
I certainly hope that you took the wheel after such an incident! His logic is flawed as well – What if the other driver was also an American? Wouldn’t he also have the right of way then? 😛
Yes Don after that incident I refused to let him drive. He said that was his intention all along, to have me drive so he could sleep.
I ended up driving for what seemed like eternity because we were making a sales call to a company then known as Northern Telecom. We drove from Toronto to Ottawa, stayed overnight, then drove back. I did all the driving after the truck incident so I was really tired after that trip.
@Petros
Yes that is the objection. But, it has nothing to do with the content or purpose of the post.
If it is relevant, as you point out, all people are entitled to equality under the law (even those who are bigoted like Bobby Fischer).
I wouldn’t read too much into Fischer’s complaining about Jews. According to Wikipedia, Fischer’s mother and presumed biological father were both of Jewish descent:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Fischer
The theme of the post was clear to me; it was about the relationship between “Man vs. the State.”
Given the warnings I did not watch the video but read every word of the post and find it disturbing.
I have never wanted to get a tattoo yet lately I have envisioned a Canadian flag tattoo…
@renounce: I am very familiar with Bobby Fischer and his story. I thank you the newly- posted disclaimer. I re-read the details of your post. I would say that the message you wish to convey about the complexity of the citizenship issue is diminished if not lost, by tieing it to the foul-mouthed ravings of a widely recognized nut job like “Bobby” Fischer–unkempt, drinking, and poking torn off pieces of paper towel into his crotch so that they can be pulled out, deftly in a flash, to gently swab his elegantly groomed mustache. The board of the IBS should be concerned if readers of the web site come away with the notion that “they can’t be serious contributors to this debate if “Bobby” Fischer is one of their heroes.” It seems to me that you do your cause a disservice with a post which starts off with a video like that.
And Dear Cato: self-hatred is not only the province of some people who qualify as “Jewish” because of the lineage of their parents. The fact that “Bobby” was Jewish doesn’t make it OK for him to slander the Jewish people.
Let’s get back on topic if you don’t mind.