UPDATE SEPTEMBER 19, 2015: SEE ALSO DISCLAIMER AND LITIGATION UPDATES.
[This post, which began in May and having over 1000 revisions and 2000 comments, is being retired from service and updates. It lived through the success of reaching a total of $500,000 in donations from our kind, dear supporters who had little money to give, the hope and disappointment with the summary trial decision, and the certainty that we are now finally moving on to the Charter trial.]
CANADIAN CHARTER TRIAL UPDATE:
— We have instructed the Arvay team to prepare for the “Constitutional-Charter” trial. This means that our focus now, as it was in the beginning of our lawsuit, is on the Charter trial.
Unless there is a new expense in the future that we have not anticipated, the monies from your donations will be sufficient to take us through the “constitutional-charter” trial in Federal Court. However, to pay other legal bills we will need additional donations from our supporters, and a request for donations will appear on another post soon.
OUR LITIGATION HISTORY:
One year ago, on August 11, 2014, Litigator Joseph Arvay filed a FATCA IGA lawsuit in Canada Federal Court on behalf of Plaintiffs Ginny and Gwen, the Alliance for the Defence of Canadian Sovereignty (en français), and all peoples.
Because of a Government delay we initiated a “summary trial”, using a portion of the arguments, which offered the possibility of preventing private banking information from being turned over to the IRS before September 30, 2015. See Alliance’s Claims, our Alliance blog, and AUGUST 4-5 SUMMARY TRIAL FILINGS in LITIGATION UPDATES.
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CBT is NOT the root of all problems in this matter. FATCA and now the GATCA / CRS (which is almost as bad as FATCA) undermine every ounce of financial privacy and safety. The sharing of information with Govts and Govt agencies worldwide is an oppression on the rights of people to seek to protect themselves and their families. Taxation based on origin or documentation is merely ONE of the evils that are facing us. Lack of privacy (and thus lack of safety and security to be able to provide for one’s family’s safety) is far worse. Those who have had to flee Tyranny and Oppression with little or nothing or face them in war (including the Founding Fathers of what now comprises the United States) can testify to this.
@nervousinvestor:
Well said!
And The Fast Track for the TPP that is now in Congress is not to be forgotten either. That would supersede our own Supreme Court!
An affidavit from Robert W. Wood — well that’s interesting — and Allison Christians too. I probably won’t be able to understand those technical filings but I await the Brock discussion which is sure to follow to help with that. Anyway, step by careful step Joseph Arvay is negotiating his way through the judicial process and all we need to do is make sure Tricia has everything she needs for cheque #5.
@Embee:
Absolutely!
Is this the general consensus here at the Isaac Brock Society website (Petros, I would appreciate your feedback here):
“Today I have been receiving emails from supporters complaining about the tone of your arguments on Brock. I have no problem in people expressing thoughts which differ from my own you position on sovereignty), but in my opinion your tone is way too aggressive, hurtful, and is not helpful to anyone. At the moment I could not recommend new people to visit our site. Could you please consider making your points but take out the aggression?
Thanks, Stephen. “
I am getting the distinct feeling that people are getting nervous. And that person is not me.
I am getting the distinct feeling you are doing your best to annoy.
But that’s just me.
But as I am the “OCD/ANAL DC troll ” (phil and JC’s words) I should keep in mind that I am bothering people because I am “aggressive and hurtful”..
@TheMom, Us persons of all people should understand what it is like to have others more powerful use their power to defeat. It does not mean that the fight was fair – power wins.
It’s inappropriate to post other people’s private emails, Dreamer. That was distinctly like what another now apparently departed Brocker did to me, which I in no uncertain terms DID NOT APPRECIATE!
That’s “appreciate”.
Stephen, who do you think you are telling me what I can and cannot say at Brock? Does ADCS moderate Brock? Oooops. yes, some of the members do. Never mind.
@BB, yeah well, I get tired of people saying one thing, but meaning something different. And using their bullying tactics to get what they PERSONALLY want under the guise of something else. SO SUE ME!
Enh.
Having read your posts throughout the day I am left with the feeling you are trying to annoy, pick fights, disrupt, and want to see your voice in print. Whatever. I was curious how long you’d been posting here, but not curious enough to bother looking.
Trolls have come and gone before. On the other hand, if you have a long history here, and have had the stress drive you off the rails, as many of us have, you will recover. I guess we’ll all know in a day or two.
FATCA is all about making those FAT CATS pay their fair share, but not really.
ADCS is all about defending CANADIAN SOVEREIGNTY, but not really.
@TheMom., Instead of picking on me personally, why don’t you pick on the arguments I have made?
Pass. Your tone made me see blah blah blah.
I couldn’t care less what the name is of any organization that goes after CBT. I trust that ADCS will send donations to the charter challenge to the charter challenge. If ADCS becomes involved in a CBT case in the US, I trust that donations specific to that cause will go to that cause.
Better?
Public opinion, especially with regard to Americans who hate CBT, outweighs all other issues regarding any other particular country’s sovereignty concerns, because why?
Is US exceptionalism so alive and well OUTSIDE the USA, that Canadians living in Canada think they have to attack US laws in order to protect their sovereignty as Canadians living in Canada? Can Canada just enact its own laws?
Is this attack against Dreamer (which I promise to try not to take too personally, although I am nearing the end of my rope here), a reaction from those representing the 7 million Americans living overseas, rather than the one million living in the most protected country of Canada – that BATTLE GROUND in the defence of American rights….errr I mean in the defence of Canadian sovereignty.
And before some one calls me OCD/ANAL or a DA troll or sends me private emails to shut me up, please consider why my words upset so much.
@TheMom
Re: “Pass. Your tone made me see blah blah blah. ” Good response. Great argument.
@Dreamer
I wonder if our “words upset so much” because you can’t bear the thought of any of the current lawsuit funding going to a cause you don’t support, although that cause may actually liberate you too. Personally, I would contribute to both.
Your obsession over this is similar to another supposed ex-Brocker’s who felt it was her duty to promote the ill-fated Obama proposal that would emancipate accidental Americans. You sure you two aren’t related?
That’s because I really don’t see what you are arguing.
“Is US exceptionalism so alive and well OUTSIDE the USA, that Canadians living in Canada think they have to attack US laws in order to protect their sovereignty as Canadians living in Canada? Can Canada just enact its own laws?”
Maybe Canadians DO think they have to attack US laws. I wasn’t too pleased (to be polite) to have some rude border guard tell me I was American at age 45, after a rude Vice Consul told me I wasn’t at age 25. As far as I’m concerned, they can shove their citizenship and taxation laws right up to their throats and choke on them.
Do I think they should be changed? Your damned right I do, that’s why I’ve been on this site for YEARS, despite having a CLN.
Canada cannot enact any Canadian laws changing US citizenship laws or US taxation laws.
@BB Never say in private what you cannot defend in public. 😉
@Dreamer You are looking for a perfect world where everything is perfect. ADCS is the name it is, no one said it is a perfect name. It is already kind of a long name, adding something like ‘ against US infringement.’ would make it too long. The name is one thing the charter is another – I believe it true to its charter.
May we tap into your creativity. Please suggest another name, yet knowing that it probably will not change. You may also suggest name for entity to take on CBT.
BB, OK, so hitherto, as Dreamer I have never responded to your comments, cause that would not be fair considering that I know who you are but you never knew who Dreamer was. But now you know. So all bets are off, and I can say what I like, because I am not at an unfair disadvantage.