I have attempted to gather the comments on this subject, identified by comments from Neill, so they will be in one place for further discussion by those able to review:
November 13, 2014 at 11:10 am
This has got to be worth digging into: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/brager-tax-law-group-obtains-182000920.html
FOIA request on OVDP dump. Not locked.
On OVDP dump. First document has great cartoons in it.
This is a powerpoint of the IRS bragging about them bowing UBS
That first document clearly shows that it’s all a big joke inside the IRS. See that PowerPoint an the picture on page 78. It shows a massive chalk board filled with equations and diagrams. Caption says ‘Clearly this taxpayer qualifies for the 5% penalty’. Other pictures show taxpayers doing hurdles to get into these groups.
We need a coordinated effort were we give a person a doc to skim through and we keep track of what’s been looked at. We will be ready this way for when there is a class action lawsuit. Maybe we find something to give to the press.
Tricia Moon says
November 14, 2014 at 9:36 am
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I have not heard of it before. For those who want to start reading: http://www.bragertaxlaw.com/previously-unreleased-irs-guidelines-for-fbar-audits.html
No Word says
November 14, 2014 at 10:09 am
Can someone bring this treasure trove to the attention of Allison Christians. I think someone of her calibre is able to make sense of what has been released.
YES, I agree — would be good to have a legal eye looking if possible and Tricia has forwarded to Allison as requested.
Finally from badger, today: http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2012/01/28/the-ovdi-drudgery-for-minnows/comment-page-23/#comment-4272818
From find by Neill and posted on another thread http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/media-and-blog-articles-open-for-comments/comment-page-73/#comment-4244472
and entire list of documents obtained:
Importantly, as badger points out:
Note, this is just an FYI, not an endorsement of any kind or advertising the law firm who made the FOIA request and posted it on their site.
Republicans Overseas should also get a look at this.
@ Proud Aussie
Glad to know I’m not alone. This is not a matter of the IRS just taking a step too far. They took a quantum leap and went far, far beyond you-gotta-be-kidding-me planet. Personally, my head has shut down in many ways because it has become impossible to grasp the enormity of the insanity.
People can believe this or not (I do). The IRS is only a pseudo-government agency. It collects revenue for the Federal Reserve which is NOT a government agency. The Federal Reserve is neither “federal” nor does it have any “reserves”. It is a private international banking consortium. IF you believe this (and I do) then does defy make more sense than comply? The answer to that would depend a lot on how many will not comply. There’s strength in numbers but it’s hard to know how many will not comply — even the IRS doesn’t know.
@everyone has anyone that tweets thought of sending this link to Jon Stewart. I can just imagine what he could do with some of these cartoons.
I know how you feel. After a whole lot of WTF s and jaw drops on my part, I no longer entertain the thought that they can’t do this or they can’t do that. They have seem to have planned this caper quite well and I don’t see how I can beat them by conventional means. I can only hope that their audacity and willingness to dispense pure evil will cause their undoing. I know we can’t count on homelanders for support. At least until they realise that if this is all successful, they will be next. Imagine the interviewer in the Boris Johnson piece actually asking him if he didn’t want to help pay down the U.S. deficit!
Everyone must make an appropriate plan to deal with an upcoming assault. We have a bit of luck as it will take them a little while to get rolling. At the moment my only plan is “scorched earth”. I may not win, but if I can cost them at least 2 dollars for every 1 they squeeze out of me than their victory will be a Pyrrhic victory at best.
There has been quite a lot written on the very legality of the IRS, but I’m not expecting it to fall apart before it has a serious go at us.
This shakedown cannot work if no one complies. They haven’t got the resources. It should be a no brainer. The people who do comply seem to be getting punished anyhow. Everyone has to do what they think is right, but I know in my heart that if I fight them enough, win lose or draw, someone down the line will be spared this injustice.
Wow. You guys are angrier than I was reading them and they took my money (well technically my wife’s).
That would be true if the government of the country one lived in were to protect its citizens/residents against CBT. As it is, we don`t know what the future will bring in the way of protection against these injustices. Governments can be further blackmailed into more and more compliance.
Which is why litigation is so important.
It’s best that somebody downloads all of the info prior to a mysterious virus being placed on their site.
This is an emotive issue for me, but public displays of anger are still bad manners in my book and I apologise. I hope they didn’t get too much out of you.
You’re absolutely correct. My bravado is based on the assumption that my home country won’t completely sell me down the river. After they’ve signed an IGA, I guess I shouldn’t consider that a foregone conclusion. They could indeed become full time IRS agents somewhere in the future. And litigation is obviously the path to take, only if that fails is it time to man the barricades. However, I am still not going to aid and abet the IRS in any investigations, particularly when the victim is me.
“…it’s about the State Department holding you down while the IRS rifles through your pockets. Tony Soprano would be proud of these guys……”
And under the FATCA IGAs, your home country government looks on after having helpfully told the thugs where you and your family live and where your legal local accounts and your kid’s education savings are – account #s, amounts, address, and all.
The U.S. must have made them an offer they couldn’t refuse.
I can almost hear it…..”Hey, those are some nice looking banks you got there, it’d be a real shame if something bad was to happen to them. You wouldn’t want that to happen, would you?”
Or …”sign da paper or da bank gets it”
And can you just hear what a homelander would say if the government said to them “and now we are going to take 27.5% of everything you own.” ( Talk about unconstitutionally horrendous penalties….)
That would never happen since every politician would jump to help them out through every media or whatever they had available… just like they are helping us… shh… don’t u hear the help they are throwing our way… yep… silence is deafening… isn’t it… no dang representation what so ever… ohh… wait… I hear laughter… after they tell us… its sucks to be us… yep… I am bitter & pissed…
Unconstitutionally? Oh yeah, The Constitution, now I remember. I wonder if they have a copy of that thing lying around in Washington?
Here’s what some guy said about it….
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests.” – Patrick Henry
Nah….why would they want a copy of something like that lying around?