Here is a correspondance between “the knower” and me in the comment section of the Financial Post article, Canadian government faces constitutional challenge over FATCA deal. Perhaps “the knower” just needs to hear more about what’s really going on. I think that’s true of most Canadians. Once they understand what’s going on and that we are not making this stuff up, they’ll be on our side.
Talk about cliches! He actually said he was sorry, as a good Canadian would, lol!
I find when people resort to ad hominem attacks it is usually because they do not understand something fully or struggle with forming logical persuasive arguments. You stood your ground without resorting to name calling and clearly won your point. Well done…
Thanks, Peter, for your clear and persuasive argument to bring “the knower” around. Wish I could be so diplomatic and non-attacking. I just said on your other post of this morning — come and get me (not my son who should bear no US consequence for having been born in Canada to two US citizen parents) – http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2014/08/14/why-dont-you-just-renounce/comment-page-1/#comment-2593346.
It’s good to see that the majority of the readers here who took the poll:
think that what Ottawa’s doing is an infringement of Gwen and Ginny’s rights as Canadians. Unfortunately the “just renouncers” beat out the those who think it makes them second class citizens but that might be because they are unaware of the difficulties in renouncing US citizenship. I guess because you can only make one choice in the poll, you are either in the “infringement” camp or the smaller “just renounce” camp, because the second class citizen camp is really just an extension of the infringement camp, IMO.
“Don’t overreact to said situation” spake “the knower”??? How the hell does he think he’d react if HE (or SHE) were in the said situation or one comparable to it?
The real problem with bloggers like “the knower” is their inability to listen to another viewpoint and then to visualize themselves walking in the other person’s moccasins for even a couple of blocks never mind a mile.
I don’t have the patience to “engage” people like this in any conversation. I’m glad others do and can retain their politeness, but it isn’t me to do that … Maybe I should visualize myself in “the knower”‘s moccasins, but frankly IMHO it isn’t worth the time or bother.
Also ad hominem snarky remarks about medications reveals a troll-like attitude that one sees far too often on websites and almost never sees or witnesses in face-to-face conversations (because remarks like that can often lead to physical violence rather quickly, and most people have some awareness of that but they forget it when posting anonymously on a web blog).
Thankfully even on The Star Business Page 80% of people who replied to that survey sympathize with Gwen and Gwinny. This “knower” is in a minority to start with. I’ll keep to myself my speculations as to his federal political affiliation …
Actually, I’m not on meds. Perhaps that’s my problem, eh?
Yes it’s good to know that the ‘just renouncers’ are in the minority even with little knowledge and understanding of the difficulties of renouncing US citizenship.
That’s what you get for choosing the red pill, Petros.
He`s just another troll.When people get so offensive and insulting- they usually are trolls.
If the US Government moves the FATCA goal posts to say accessing a Canadian bank online with a US IP address and ‘The Knower’ decides to go to Florida, checks his bank details from the US, and finds out that his banking details have been sent to the IRS, he’d feel difference.
@The Knower – Nobody is FATCA proof. The US Government can change the rules at will, An yes the above situation is perfectly possible if the US Government decides so.
That’s why as an ‘unaffected’ Canadian in 2014 should be concerned about FATCA in future.
Also if your banking details get sent in error to the IRS today, you have zero re-course. Data only goes on a one way journey. There’s another reason for today to be concerned about FATCA.
I just read the entire comments on this article. Wow! Good for you guys for all the sensible comments.. I don’t have patience for people who don’t seem to read the story. Or the other comments. I think some just like to stick to a idea they have and repeat it. I have my thoughts on the Q girl…. She sounds like a temporary resident in Canada and going back home … or is in the tax compliance industry.
I voted on the poll too. It was heartening to see over 1600 voted it is against the constitution.
I think some posters work for the IRS and are persistent and comment over hours.
I believe that the nay sayers are being overwhelmed. And I do see a bit of anti Conservative government sentiment in the posts.
The Knower wrote, “Well, I certainly am sorry to hear of your predicament. I had no idea that you were personally involved in such a process. Good luck with dealing with this, but don’t overreact to said situation.”
How does one over react to this situation?