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New York Times on how Foreign Financial Institutions see FATCA

Steve Klaus highlights another piece in today’s New York Times DealB%k – lot’s of mention of FATCA on banks but not on US Persons. Another good one for Brockers to comment on.

New York Times: “Complying With U.S. Tax Evasion Law Is Vexing Foreign Banks”

…But behind the scenes, foreign banks and financial firms are increasingly finding that complying with the law is a major headache.

Treasury Department officials say they are moving apace in getting the world’s banks on board with the law, the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act. They say they have reached agreements with some large countries, are working on deals with others and are refining parts of the law, which is set to take effect on June 30, 2014.

But some financial institutions, trade groups, scholars and members of Congress have raised an array of concerns, starting with the cost of creating the complex computer systems needed to track Americans’ accounts.

Read the rest at the New York Times

26 thoughts on “New York Times on how Foreign Financial Institutions see FATCA

  1. I hate to point this out, but the countries listed as tax havens indeed can be seen as such!

    Yes – you could consider Russia a tax haven if you look at what Gérard Depardieu did.

    Yes – you could consider China a tax haven if you include Hong Kong SAR.

    Yes – you could consider Panama a tax haven given all the shell and shipping companies registered there.

    Yes – every tax jurisdiction can be labeled as a haven. 🙂

  2. @GD
    It’s ironic that capitalistic countries like the USA who otherwise support free markets are so keen to uphold the “tax haven” narrative. So called tax havens are nothing other than countries who, for example, are less oppressive, have a stabler political system, less debt, more attractive tax rates, etc.; in short, they’re simply more competitive and offer a more favorable environment for investments. The fact that the USA itself is one of the largest tax havens in the world doesn’t seem to bother them. Typical American hypocrisy.

  3. Various states have paid expenses to companies relocating there—sewer hookups, roads, Electric & water hookups, and worker training expenses.

  4. After speaking with a friend of mine who is close to the financial industry, FATCA for US/Canadians is probably something we will be talking about for the next decade…in other words what I (we) think Canada is doing is watching this fight from afar to see how far the US can penetrate this legislation with other Countries.

  5. Canada would be an excellent test country for RBT. It has a lot of long term U.S. expats most of whom would never owe a dime in U.S. taxes. I still think Victorias idea of having people file one last form after say five years if they have no U.S. holdings and do not own anything there is best. Let it start with Canada. For Canada FATCA is such a waste of money. Really they are not going to catch any “tax cheats” here. As Minister Flaherty stated, people do not flock to Canada to escape taxes.

    We’ll see. It has taken so long. I feel that Canada is holding out for something even if they do sign it’s likely going to be a while before they can implement anything. By the time most Canadians find out about this and what a big waste it is financially for Canada it’s going to cause a big uproar there. This is only the beginning. The relationship between these two countries is going to come out worse for all of this for a long, long time.

  6. There is an article comment made by someone claiming to be “Just Me”, which is quite obviously not our “Just Me”. And by the tone, I’d wager it’s from our favourite troll.

  7. http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/09/16/complying-with-u-s-tax-evasion-law-is-vexing-foreign-banks/?_r=1&

    WE KNOW THIS IS NOT JUST ME. Can anyone flag it or something? I believe this is the same troll who stole my name and Innocente’s name awhile back on IBS and created sick mischief.

    Like or dislike is trivial and idiosyncratic –
    Bad things happen to people (or IBS) who ignore the law !
    Do not mistake straight talk with callousness. Never confuse the law with fairness or morality. They are not related. Laws have no moral force whatsoever and most importantly do not shoot the messenger, even if it is not the message that you want to hear.
    It is time to either comply with the law or expatriate. Complaining is just a waste of time and bargaining rarely provides a sustainable solution. To those who fantasize mass salvations like class action and Charter challenge: show me a precedent or two.

  8. @tdott and Em,

    Agreed. It’s so obviously NOT Just Me: – the writing could hardly be more different from Just Me’s considerate and even-handed approach! The wording is also very similar (if not identical?) to s.r.’s comment on an earlier article.

    May the perpetrator soon receive wisdom…!

  9. The New York Times moderation approved a personal attack made by the stalker and marked it as one of the two favorite comments. I’ve reported the stalker to the FBI and emailed the FBI complaint number to their customer service. If this persists, then I’ll file a complaint with the local police to launch a criminal investigation againt the US, like how such has been done with Eritrea.

    The following could serve as a guide for making a similar complaint against the US:

    The fear of being monitored with the Eritrean diaspora of Switzerland…

    7.2 Agents: The Eyes and Ears of the government
    It is said and some people believe that there are agents who work for Eritrea. Some people think that they are being influenced by these agents. The agents mainly act to freely cultivate rumours. Yet, the diaspora cannot act freely in response. The feeling of fear is being cultivated.
    http://www.anthro.unibe.ch/unibe/philhist/anthro/content/e1765/e1766/e261693/e261698/e261704/files261705/Arbeitsblatt57_FabienneGlatthard_ger.pdf

  10. swisspinoy,

    Put “Non-US clients shun US bank foreign branches” into a search at Google News and you can get to this article. Doesn’t always work, but it does on this particular article.

    Good for you in finding how and taking action with the FBI on your cowardly “bogus, not our Just Me” stalker at The New York Times article — and also notifying the NYT that you have done that.

  11. NYT insists that it honors the personal attacks made by stalkers:

    Dear NYTimes reader,

    Thank you for contacting NYTimes.com.

    We do understand your frustration and we will gladly assist you with that.

    Unfortunately, previously posted comments cannot be retracted.
    Please, refer to The New York Times Permissions and Policies, Terms of Service.

    If there is anything else we would be happy to help you, please e-mail us at help@nytimes.com or call us at 1-800-
    NYTIMES (1-800-698-4637) from 5 a.m. to midnight Monday-Friday and 5 a.m. to 5 p.m. Saturday & Sunday (ET).

    Yet, their policy conflicts with their claim that they cannot take action against stalking:

    8. I found an inappropriate comment or Readers’ Review. What do I do?
    Back to top

    Click Flag to the right of a comment or review, select the reasons you believe it should be removed and submit the report. Our moderation staff will review the comment again.

    For Readers’ Reviews, you can also report the problem by filling out the Contact Us form. From the Regarding drop-down menu, select User Content, and then select Problem With a Reader’s Review from the More Specifically drop-down menu that appears underneath.
    http://www.nytimes.com/content/help/site/usercontent/usercontent.html#usercontent-moderating

  12. I got a response today. It says:

    In response to your inquiry, we do understand you want to be removed and we will gladly assist you with that and you have been removed.

    So, I called and they said that it takes about a week for a comment to be removed. Hopefully, they will remove the comment which deserved to be removed.

  13. @WhiteKat, they probably will. Under normal circumstances, they wouldn’t have approved the post past moderation. Such conflicts with their policy. Then, they lied that the post cannot be deleted. Then, they claimed that they will delete my account and when I called them, they acted as if they didn’t know who I was and told me to wait a week. Yet, I’ll give them some credit. They actually responded, stating that they will delete my account. That’s more than just deleting it without saying anything.

    Isn’t it unique that the NYT, of all entities, approves a false personal attack of terrorism and refuses to remove it against their policy? One would think that they, of all people, would take such matters more seriously.

  14. My latest email to the NYT:

    Dear NYTimes,

    The latest post written by “Just Me”, posted on Sept. 20, 2013 at 3:57 p.m., at the following link is hate speech approved by your policy-violating moderation: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/09/16/complying-with-u-s-tax-evasion-law-is-vexing-foreign-banks/?_r=1

    Why are you refusing to remove hate speech? Your policy prohibits hate speech. Accusing me of being a “terrorist” and a “tax cheat” is hate speech. It is abusive, defamatory, obsene, libelous. Please comply with and enforce your rules by deleting the offensive post. These are your rules:

    No-no’s
    You shall not submit any libelous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, abusive or otherwise illegal material. Please use respectful language that does not abuse or discriminate on the basis of race, religion, nationality, gender, sexual preference, age, region, disability, etc. Hate speech of any kind is grounds for immediate and permanent suspension of access to all parts of this service.

    Right to Delete Posts
    We reserve the right to delete, move or edit messages that we deem abusive, defamatory, obscene, in violation of copyright or trademark laws, or otherwise unacceptable. All reviews must be written in English. We reserve the right to remove the posting privileges of members who violate these standards of decorum at any time
    http://www.nytimes.com/content/help/site/usercontent/rrpolicy/rrpolicy.html

    Best regards,

  15. The offensive post has now been removed. I’m not sure what did it. Was it the FBI complaint, the emails, the customer support complaints, the customer support phone call or the email with attachments that I sent to the New York Times director? This shows that if one is polite, persistent and organized, then justice can be accomplished one little step at a time. 🙂

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