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Transcript of US Congress debate on “Son of FATCA” legislation

I thought it might be interesting to post a transcript of one of the few limited debates the US Congress has ever had on anti expat legislation.

http://capitolwords.org/date/2012/06/06/H3505_motions-to-instruct-conferees-on-hr-4348-surface-t/

You have to scroll a little bit to get to the part where son of FATCA and passport confiscation gets discussed. The debate is very partisan with New York Republican Congressman Mike Grimm doing an admirably job of holding of holding off the socialist hordes so to speak.

Here is the most interesting quote from Texas Democratic Congressman Lloyd Doggett:

My little company down there in San Antonio that changes tires all day, they’ve probably never been to Switzerland, much less considered hiring a bank in Switzerland to help them hide their revenues that they worked so hard to earn and which some of these companies involved in these abusive transactions just consider to be rather routine.

You say, well, this is just academic; surely people can’t get away with this stuff. Let me tell you what they’re getting away with.

I pointed out already that with regard to one bank in Switzerland, UBS, they finally had to disclose $18 billion–that’s billion with a B–$18 billion of assets of United States citizens sitting there in hidden accounts in that bank. There were some 50,000 such accounts that UBS had to disclose. Eventually, they had to pay over $700 million in fines. But they’re not the only bank that is involved. Currently, the Treasury has under investigation 11 Swiss banks. There’s one bank that is under Federal indictment.

This is not an academic problem. It’s academic only to those who talk about process instead of solutions. We have a serious problem that undermines the confidence in our government and in our system of tax collection.

Why should somebody who’s out there struggling at that tire rim company or that tech startup or just a working family that’s out there trying to make ends meet with two people, some working overtime, some working the night shift in order to provide the food and fiber that their family needs to survive, why should they have to comply with our tax laws when you have these kind of companies that could afford the special treatment, that can afford the lobbyists to block measures like this engaged in abuse?

7 thoughts on “Transcript of US Congress debate on “Son of FATCA” legislation

  1. There are 535 US Congresspersons who get paid a starting salary of $165,200 plus benefits and expenses.  That’s right.  They must be smart people because they are getting paid six figures–you know that’s several times what I make.  So you’d think that they would understand math.  They are paid to understand math.

    For 2012 they have planned budget deficit of $1,600 billion.  That’s $3 billion per Congressperson.  That’s billion with a B. That means each Congressman is overspending by $8.2 million per day.  This is a criminal enterprise and each one of those louts should be locked up in prison, and folks elected who understand math and budgets.

  2. For those who don’t remember Lloyd Doggett, here’s a quote from him from way back in 1996

    https://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2012/06/07/u-s-trade-representative-urges-repeal-of-law-requiring-u-s-to-impose-sanctions-on-itself/

    Imagine some Americans have grown so prosperous, they can denounce [sic] their citizenship and discover one day that the Port Royal Golf Course in Bermuda is their hometown, that they have new citizenship. A problem only again this month we learn is a multibillion dollar scandal of people renouncing their citizenship for the sole purpose of dodging taxes. Once again, like the fellow in the fedora, those who have that amount of patriotism, those scoundrels are fully protected in the bill we’re debating today, and they are fully dealt with in Mr. Rangel’s substitute. That’s why Republicans are so fearful of dealing with the real tax problems in this country. And who do you think picks up the bill for the guy in the fedora and the scoundrel who renounces his American citizenship? Small business.

  3. That’s disgusting – They’re paid almost 40% more than MEPs in the European Parliament and way more than most members of national parliaments in European countries. At least I can feel proud that the EP does some good work, and especially so after they recently blocked ACTA here.  What has the US Congress accomplished of note besides acting like a bunch of big babies and being world class suckers for special interests?

  4. I wrote the most beautiful, eloquent response of what I would say to Mr. Doggett. But then my computer ran out of battery. FML.

  5. @Joe Smith

    They are certainly “rabid”, but would you stop insulting man’s best friend by comparing them to Congressmen!

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